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I expressed my reservations about how it will now work with Sturridge, back in the Summer. Suarez did a hell of a lot of donkey work for him, but he also led by example in terms of workrate and that could be infectious to those around him. Sturridge was pretty much your out and out striker who waited up top for service. He does have good ability to move out to the flanks and take people on, but by and large he thrives at being on the shoulder of the defender or running into channels. He was never going to put in the leg work to justify it enough in games where we need to defend from the front and not give teams a moment at the back. It can work when we're compact again, with Lucas in there and an attacking three supporting him, like Sterling, Coutinho and Lallana.

Throw Mario into the mix and, while on paper it looks like your typical hold up player complimenting a quick striker. I just don't see this as a partnership, it just seems a bit dead in the water to me. I'm sure they can hit it off, but what's the cost? Neither press enough and they like to wait for the ball into them, rather than to search out possession. As erratic as Sterling is infront of goal, he does roam and harass players, he does come deep to pick up possession and allow his team mates to overlap and interplay. He does the spade work and will give opponents something to think about when hanging on the shoulder.

Maybe when Origi comes in, this is what Rodgers is thinking, that he will provide the brute force and menace up top, to create space and take the burden off Sturridge (think about the work Kuyt did off the ball for Torres), in terms of altering his game - we want goals from him and we want to get the best from him without compromising too much on his focus of going for goal whenever an opportunity is there. But he does need to compromise his game in some respects, he needs cut out the lazy half arsed runs, the lay offs that he doesn't complete with conviction (while then scowling at his team mate), and he needs to learn to lead the line on his own.

It's a big adjustment and I don't think it was ever going to be a case of him just picking up where we he left off last season, he's having to alter his game and it will take time and a huge amount of frustration.

I understand obviously that he's just back from a lengthy layoff, but the (slight) concerns are there. He needs to work hard but we need to get the balance right. If last night showed anything, it's that we sorely missed our backbone of Sakho, Henderson and Coutinho.

Lovren, Allen and the front pair were far too lightweight and lacking in the industry that we've shown in recent months.
 
Sturridge has been awful since he has come back.. There is no doubt he is a quality striker though.

However he needs to go back to basics. He is being far too selfish and making brain dead decisions.

He never seems to want to pass.. This is the most frustrating part of his game.. Last night was an example.. Can was screaming for the ball and in an ideal position to shoot, whilst Sturridge was more content on working out just how to shoot rather than passing the ball, but fluffed his lines... badly..

Everyone was like 'oh we will be fine when Studge is back'. Luckily we sorted ourselves before he came back..

Mario was decent last night.. winning free kicks, holding the ball up well, bringing others in to play and making a nuisance of himself. I actually think Rodgers made a mistake in taking him off.. Which was further proven during the penalty shootout..

The partnership could work if Studge wasn't so selfish..
 
You're all overreacting.

He's come back & scored straight away, flying out if the traps.

After a couple of longer spells than 20 minutes though, he looks well, well short of fitness.

He's getting a bit better each game but he hasn't got the pace or the quick feet back yet, & it's frustrating the fuck out of him.

Yes, he's being selfish, but he's a striker, & they're always selfish when they're trying to pump up their confidence by scoring a goal.

Suarez, Torres, Owen, Fowler. All of those strikers went through patches looking like this, Torres especially, cos it always seemed to spiral into anger at himself when his body couldn't write the cheques his mind was cashing.
 
I'm not really overreacting to his form after being out for 5 months, I'm saying that from last season, there's alot of adjustment for him and that might involve being less selfish. I don't doubt for one minute that it's going to take him time to get back into the swing of things.
 
You're all overreacting.

He's come back & scored straight away, flying out if the traps.

After a couple of longer spells than 20 minutes though, he looks well, well short of fitness.

He's getting a bit better each game but he hasn't got the pace or the quick feet back yet, & it's frustrating the fuck out of him.

Yes, he's being selfish, but he's a striker, & they're always selfish when they're trying to pump up their confidence by scoring a goal.

Suarez, Torres, Owen, Fowler. All of those strikers went through patches looking like this, Torres especially, cos it always seemed to spiral into anger at himself when his body couldn't write the cheques his mind was cashing.
Yeh I get that, but their is no I in Team..

It's all well being selfish when on form and banging them in.. But he isn't so he needs to pass when players are in a far better position and stop trying to be Super Studge

He is trying too hard..
 
Yeh I get that, but their is no I in Team..

It's all well being selfish when on form and banging them in.. But he isn't so he needs to pass when players are in a far better position and stop trying to be Super Studge

He is trying too hard..
That's just it though, he's a striker. Strikers are always selfish, & even more so when they're a little short in confidence.

Once he's scored a couple & he can keep up with play & skin defenders again he'll pass it just as he did last season, but I wouldn't expect it until then.

As I said in the match thread though, when he's on form half these selfish shots & chances he keeps to himself go in, so it doesn't look selfish, it looks like a top striker.

He'll be fine, he'll be passing them to Markovic in a couple of weeks for him to blast it over & you'll be moaning that he should've took the shot himself.
 
A lot of good points above, but I reckon part of the problem is the fit with Balotelli, or actually (and contrary to what some Balotelli fans have been telling us) the lack of one. Balotelli has been putting more of a shift in lately, but playing him still means the Studge has to move out wide for quite a large proportion of the time, which is exactly what (a) he wanted to get away from when he left Chavski and (b) Brendan promised him he wouldn't have to do with us. He's probably naffed off about this so, when he *does* get a chance on goal, he's going to be all the keener to take it himself. I'm not saying it's right, but I *am* saying it's understandable. Is keeping Balotelli worth all this? I know what I think about that.
 
He can also be incredibly one-footed at times.

He's clearly got no Argentinian in him.
 
I'm concerned that Sturridge might need a quality strike partner to play with to get the best out of him, and we don't currently have one or like like getting one. Hopefully I'm wrong and he can adequately lead the line by himself. He did fine before when Suarez was on his usual quarter of a season ban.
He doesn't look himself at the moment. Maybe he's recovering from having to carry that heavy wallet around with all his new contract money in, and all the long nights partying in america whilst injured.
 
He can also be incredibly one-footed at times.

He's clearly got no Argentinian in him.

He was last night that one time admittedly, but let's not over-generalise from it. The first goal he scored after coming back was a cracker with his right foot, he's notched other quality right foot goals in the past and he will again in the future when he gets his mojo back.
 
A lot of good points above, but I reckon part of the problem is the fit with Balotelli, or actually (and contrary to what some Balotelli fans have been telling us) the lack of one. Balotelli has been putting more of a shift in lately, but playing him still means the Studge has to move out wide for quite a large proportion of the time, which is exactly what (a) he wanted to get away from when he left Chavski and (b) Brendan promised him he wouldn't have to do with us. He's probably naffed off about this so, when he *does* get a chance on goal, he's going to be all the keener to take it himself. I'm not saying it's right, but I *am* saying it's understandable. Is keeping Balotelli worth all this? I know what I think about that.


Balotelli was actually the one playing RW last night
 
A lot of good points above, but I reckon part of the problem is the fit with Balotelli, or actually (and contrary to what some Balotelli fans have been telling us) the lack of one. Balotelli has been putting more of a shift in lately, but playing him still means the Studge has to move out wide for quite a large proportion of the time, which is exactly what (a) he wanted to get away from when he left Chavski and (b) Brendan promised him he wouldn't have to do with us. He's probably naffed off about this so, when he *does* get a chance on goal, he's going to be all the keener to take it himself. I'm not saying it's right, but I *am* saying it's understandable. Is keeping Balotelli worth all this? I know what I think about that.

You know why this makes me chuckle? Because you're calling Studge an idiot has he's come out on record a few times saying he'll have a good partnership with him ... Doesn't say much either way what you think of Studge ... 😉
 
He was last night that one time admittedly, but let's not over-generalise from it. The first goal he scored after coming back was a cracker with his right foot, he's notched other quality right foot goals in the past and he will again in the future when he gets his mojo back.

Yep - hence I said "can be" and not "is".

I agree - when he's on form, he's clinical, great with either foot, electric pace.

When he's not, when he reverts in to his shell, he can be very one footed, greedy, goes down blind alleys and spends air of time holding his arms out stropping over every thing that doesn't go his way.

As always - it's an observation, and I realise he's coming back from a long term injury - so these things are to be expected.
 
Sturridge will be boss again when he gets back to full fitness. That will obviously take time.
So much overreacting in this thread. He looks like he's in the beginning of pre season, which he technically is.

I saw people having a go at him on Twitter and Instagram yesterday after a poor performance.
Some of our fans are so short sighted it hurts.
Reservations about how we'll set up the system is one thing. Doubting his quality after being back a couple of weeks from 5 months of injury hell is insane. Bonkers.
 
Last 72 hours has shown the difference between a good striker (studge) and a world class striker (Suarez).

Studge should sick to doing the simple things like putting his foot through the ball like he did against west ham rather than try to too clever with the extra touches.
 
Last 72 hours has shown the difference between a good striker (studge) and a world class striker (Suarez).

Studge should sick to doing the simple things like putting his foot through the ball like he did against west ham rather than try to too clever with the extra touches.

As he probably would if fully fit. 33 goals in 50 games. That's more than good..
 
Sturridge will be boss again when he gets back to full fitness. That will obviously take time.
So much overreacting in this thread. He looks like he's in the beginning of pre season, which he technically is.

I saw people having a go at him on Twitter and Instagram yesterday after a poor performance.
Some of our fans are so short sighted it hurts.
Reservations about how we'll set up the system is one thing. Doubting his quality after being back a couple of weeks from 5 months of injury hell is insane. Bonkers.

Why is it overreacting? You know what, I wasn't going to start this thread because I knew people would read it as, "fucking hell, people laying into him after a few games back". It's not that at all, it's pointing out the things that he does to frustrate, not just now, but in general, and voicing concerns about how he will adapt to life without a strike partner as good as Suarez.

Not having a go, but it just seems like the easy response that I half expected. It's nothing really to do with his fitness. I'd rather talk about where he now goes and how we get the best of him and how he needs to compromise too.
 
He seems to have come back with a bit of a messiah saviour complex, like he must do everything for us.

He needs to go back to basics and remember to pass a ball at times. Balotelli was surprisingly the unselfish one of the forward 3 last night.
 
Why is it overreacting? You know what, I wasn't going to start this thread because I knew people would read it as, "fucking hell, people laying into him after a few games back". It's not that at all, it's pointing out the things that he does to frustrate, not just now, but in general, and voicing concerns about how he will adapt to life without a strike partner as good as Suarez.

Not having a go, but it just seems like the easy response that I half expected. It's nothing really to do with his fitness. I'd rather talk about where he now goes and how we get the best of him and how he needs to compromise too.

I wasn't having a go at you mate. As I said a discussion on how he'll fit in and how we set up is obviously a good one to have.
People saying he doesn't look up to it now, well they deserve it for being so short sighted.
5 months out.. Of course he'll look off pace.

I don't think yesterdays game is the best example of how this could look in the future.
We were very poor overall and the pitch was awful.

As said above he overcomplicates the easy bits at the moment. Last night was a great example of that.
Once his fitness get better he'll find his normal rhythm imho.
 
He's trying too hard to score and make up for all the time lost and the missing contribution from him this season. I think he's an honest pro trying to do his job but just getting a bit too desperate to get things right.

Some opportunities in the past two games, he'd have put away easily in other seasons, but he's now taking an extra turn, trying to beat an extra man, etc. to get things set up perfectly so he can finish. He just needs to stop over thinking and play freely again, as he has in the past.

It's basically anxiety, to me.
 
I'm not really concerned about how he'll do minus Suarez for reasons I've stated before.

If he wasn't the only one to look out of sorts last night even though others don't have the excuses he does.

He'll score plenty once he's fit, and those last three words are my only concern with him
 
He's nowhere near fit but I don't know how long it will take him to get back that sharpness. If we had someone better to be up front to allow him to ease back in we would, but a 50% Sturridge is better than all our other strikers and that's a massive issue
 
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