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Its in the same place as platonic ideals science should aspire to. Unfortunately others would corrupt that with politics and selfish ambitions and evil. I cant join them, so I will humiliate them in the name of plato

explain evil to me again.
 
where's the platonic humility you said you aspire to?
explain evil to me again.
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Can't explain it but can visualise it.
 
explain evil to me again.

The evil your want me to explain to you is just a figment of your imagination, since it is predicated upon pure bullshit.

What isn't getting through your skull yet, Skully, is that the only thing that exists and that comprises the entirety of the universe and all reality is....mathematics. That's it. There is not any god damned reason for anything else to exist at all, ever. In any way shape or form. And there is not a physical object, phenomenon, concept, throught or anything that is not reducible to a mathematical geometry.

So explain to me. Why should I believe in any other fairytale of some spiritual or ethereal realm that (a) there is no evidence for, and (b) would require the type of reality to exist which has no sufficient reason for existing, when (c) everything is already easily explained by mathematics in one neat circle with a very sufficient reason for its existence.
 
If Plato et al had the benefit of modern science and knew about the way mathematical models describe nature, then they would agree with me and come to exactly the same conclusion as me. That is the reason why although they believed in pure bullshit, I can tell from the way they think about things that they had what it takes to roll with dantes.

Modern philosophers and gnostics don't have that excuse, they are just deluded and completely ignorant of science.
 
You also mentioned morality, and excluded the interpretation of Sam Harris on that topic. So that too places you into a different realm.
 
you're completely ignorant.

Oh my. It's as if I've turned up in 1654, seen Skully doing some alchemy, notwithstanding that I am completely ignorant of what he knows and has studied I try my best to tell him that it is pure bullshit.
 
Why's Sam Harris an awful thinker? Can you give a good explanation?

The evil your want me to explain to you is just a figment of your imagination, since it is predicated upon pure bullshit.

What isn't getting through your skull yet, Skully, is that the only thing that exists and that comprises the entirety of the universe and all reality is....mathematics. That's it. There is not any god damned reason for anything else to exist at all, ever. In any way shape or form. And there is not a physical object, phenomenon, concept, throught or anything that is not reducible to a mathematical geometry.

So explain to me. Why should I believe in any other fairytale of some spiritual or ethereal realm that (a) there is no evidence for, and (b) would require the type of reality to exist which has no sufficient reason for existing, when (c) everything is already easily explained by mathematics in one neat circle with a very sufficient reason for its existence.

Mathematics doesn't "comprise" anything. It describes. You've criticised Dawkins in the past, but this is the selfsame mistake he and Sam Harris are forever making. The two things are not the same and no amount of wishful thinking from your side of this debate will make them the same.
 
Mathematics doesn't "comprise" anything. It describes. You've criticised Dawkins in the past, but this is the selfsame mistake he and Sam Harris are forever making. The two things are not the same and no amount of wishful thinking from your side of this debate will make them the same.

It does both. I'm not trying to say the stuff in the universe is just equations floating around. Rather the algebraic notation used to write down equations is actually a representation of some geometry (a circle, a triangle, a sphere, etc.). The entirety of the universe is a complicated type of geometry.

For simplicity let's assume that the universe was just a sphere. Your belief is that there is a solid object in the shape of a sphere, existing somewhere, made out of some substance. But when you really think about it, nothing we observe requires that type of existence. It only requires there to be a mathematical geometry, and if the geometry is "everything", then our observations of it are also included as part of that geometry.

So what you need to understand is that there is no physical substance, but only a geometry which is of the shape that makes us observe physical things.

So in the universe we observe its spherical geometry. And the "we are observing it" bit is also part of the geometry we observe. Like looking into a mirror of you looking into a mirror. For a second I was worried that Skully grasped this when he was talking about his little ad infinitum circular argument. Alas he is a puny philosopher.
 
And afterwards, a racism thread ... and if possible, a Middle East thread too (with emphasis on Syria) and then, a thread about Ryan's shorts.

Nah, fuck all that.

I really would want to know what everyone's opinion on Margret Thatcher is.
 
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