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Stoke fans about Assaidi
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Once again showing that you didn't bother reading the post, or rather, you read into it what you wanted to, missing that the point was that having two fullbacks who 'can' defend, might give us more defensive stability. I'd also highlighted that Agger and Flanno were hardly technically inferior. You just read the lazy phrase "flat back four" and saw it as easy fodder, ignoring the actual point and belittling it with an arsey, condescending 1970's comment. I don't give a fuck how much time you've spent on pitches, or around decent managers. If football teaches us anything, it's that there are equally unlearned types as close or as far away from the game that you are, so experience doesn't wash.
You also seem to be missing a glaring point in all of this, where people propose ideas without expecting it to happen or to have to be exclusive to the current managers line of thinking. The fallibility of managers promotes speculation and thought amongst the fan base, another aspect of fandom that seems to have passed you by.
You also seem to be missing a glaring point in all of this, where people propose ideas without expecting it to happen or to have to be exclusive to the current managers line of thinking. The fallibility of managers promotes speculation and thought amongst the fan base, another aspect of fandom that seems to have passed you by.
Gayest day of the year.
Anyway, you any hope of finding tickets for the Villa game in 2 weeks Wole? I need 2 for a mate who's going over from Dublin. Let me know if there's much/any hope.
Maybe what you were attempting to say wasn't that we play a flat back 4 of out and out defenders Mark, but here was the basis of your argument from that thread:
"So should we go with a typical flat back four of out and out defenders to try and rectify this problem?"
That sounds like what I was saying to me.
Regarding your last sentence in that first paragraph; no arguments from me there, couldn't agree more actually. But anyway, I can't be arsed anymore. This Chiefs-Colts game has gotten very interesting. Let's let this go eh?
Why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist about each others opinions on players who have barely kicked a ball for us? It just seems all a bit redundant. I think what everyone should be fucked off with is that Assaidi & Borini were bombed out without any real chance of proving themselves. Having said that NONE of us know what goes on behind the scenes. Rodgers might have all the reasons in the world or it might turn out to be a huge mistake. The plus point of these loan deals is that we have the chance to "wait and see." The negative point, in hindsight, is that we spent money on an equally inept player in Moses.
Sheiky has a spare I think - BUT you fella really need to PM me. I owe you money and I am no Paddy! I pay my debts always. 😉
Racist.
Eh???
Oh I see what I said there. I love all Irish - Even Ryan............
Ya ya.....but lucas is still fucking shite and is the most useless footballer in the whole wide world.
Bring back Rafa.
He should stop dancing.
All this waffle, and never an explanation of why Assaidi won't be good enough. BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ENOUGH OF HIM.
All your experience might well help you give educated football opinions, but the fact is that you just tend to blurt out not terribly educated opinions and suggest they are fact based on nothing else but that you have said it. So....you and your supreme knowledge of Swansea under BR. You claimed when we were buying Allen he was a between the lines AM like Nasri or Silva. All of us now know that that was BS and you hadn't really watched him at all. You guessed. Fair enough, we all throw shit out there, but you never admit as much. Because you seem to believe your own bullshit.
I really don't understand why I need to have watched this guy a billion times to have made a declaration on him. And if that's your main gripe against me here (you've very cleverly capitalised it) then you must hate being part of this forum, cos that's all anyone does. People here make judgements after 1 game, at least I've seen Assaidi half a dozen times.
rodgers thought that allen was a between the lines attacking midfielder when he bought him too. he was banging on about it all the time.
Aye yeah I forgot to comment on that part of his post too.
Yes, it's where he played at Swansea.
You said he's shit. He's scored now against Everton and Chelsea, while seeming to be in a general rich vein of form. So that's hardly "shit", or symptomatic of a player who "can't get on the bench for a team that finished 7th", as you said in the Summer, after observing Assaidi enough to draw the conclusion that he's shite. Oh wait, he's not a bad player now is he, just not really good enough for a top club. Opinions change based on form, I understand that. He's gone from being "shit" when no one's seen enough of him, to "ok" but not good enough for a top side, now that he's on a bit of an upward curve. But you were never wrong, not even slightly, no.
Whatever anyway, it's not that you have an opinion, it's the God-like status that you afford your own opinion that gets peoples backs up. That and obnoxious shite like "Oh, I have to sift through loads of shite on here from your laughable opinions, I'd be embarrassed if I had to stand with half of you in a pub listening to some of your comments" - really Ryan? Do you hold yourself in that high regard, that we're all an embarrassment for you now? Do you come here to have a decent football discussion, or to take the piss out of whatever half cocked thought that you come across?
Ever thought that people would engage in thoughtful conversation, if you weren't so obnoxious?
Everyone's got an opinion, it's the way YOU express it with shite like dragging up old posts to emphasise a point. There's only Modo who does that, other than you. Go figure. Go read your responses to throwaway posts about what our current best first XI is, you couldn't be any more arrogant or petty, it's a fucking forum, most of it is throwaway, half arsed comment based on current form. Who would really give a fuck enough to mock the idea of it? Challenge the opinion, because the team picked is shite/biased whatever, don't mock it with all this bollocks about modern day football, like it's some club only you are privy to. You're better than that.
I'm done anyway, I hadn't seen your previous response, so yeah, let's let this go. We all have a go at opinions and challenge comments, that's the nature of the forum, but promoting discussion is equally constructive. Coming on here all the time and having a pop at people just has people putting up a wall in response, contrast that to your more thought-out and time consumed pieces and you get the picture.
Joe Allen played central midfield for Swansea.
Here, a defence of Allen from someone who actually watched him playing for Swansea. Also, would BR have (unfortunately) tagged him the Welsh Xavi if he thought he was a between the lines AM? Does BR not know Xavi is a CM?:
A Defence of Joe Allen | Stats Analysis Mar 30, 2013 gmazeine 2,750 Views 5 On March 20th, Liverpool FC announced that Welsh midfielder Joe Allen would miss the rest of the 2012/13 campaign after he underwent surgery on his left shoulder. To some cynical LFC fans, this surgery was a blessing in disguise–the much-maligned Welshman’s performances of late have been incredibly inconsistent, and despite Brendan Rodgers’ staunch public defence of Allen, who came with the new Liverpool manager from Swansea to Anfield last summer, Allen has not won many supporters during his first season on Merseyside. However, as a Liverpool fan I have a policy of always supporting players, regardless of their form. While this does not mean that I don’t prefer Jordan Henderson over Allen in the center of the park, it does mean that I am willing to defend him against his critics. Allen’s Final Season with Swansea City AFC Joe Allen was an integral part of Swansea City AFC’s pass-and-move style of 2011/12, and won many plaudits as a key part of the Welsh club’s midfield. When Rodgers brought his former player to Liverpool as a part of his “Anfield Revolution” for around £15 million during the summer 2012 transfer window, the Northern Irish manager infamously called Allen “the Welsh Xavi.” Obviously, the Welshman is nowhere near the quality of the legendary Spanish playmaker, but Allen did have a very good year at the Liberty Stadium during 2011/12. His 91% pass accuracy was nothing short of immaculate, and was the second best among midfielders who attempted over 1500 passes–Swansea teammate Leon Britton edged him with 93%. One of Allen’s best games in the Swansea shirt was a master class at the Liberty against Newcastle, in which he completed 118 of 123 attempted passes. In addition, his 84% final third pass accuracy is up there with the best in the league, especially for a deeper-lying midfielder. However, a valid criticism of Allen’s 2011/12 campaign was the amount of his passes that went backwards. His 24% is higher than most of his midfield competitors like Manchester United’s Michael Carrick (10%) and Arsenal’s Mikel Arteta (13%). In addition, Allen only attempted 8 through balls during the entire season, an indication that he was not the creative hub of that Swansea side. This is further reflected in his lack of chances created, creating a chance every 63 minutes, which doesn’t compare at all to other playmakers in the league. However, Allen was generally quite good in possession, losing the ball once every 8 minutes. League-best for midfielders Leon Britton lost the ball every 12 minutes, and Allen is nearly equal with standouts Carrick and Tottenham’s Scott Parker, who lost the ball every 8 and 9 minutes, respectively. On the other side of the ball, Allen was extremely impressive defensively. His 110 tackles were bested only by Fulham man Mousa Dembélé’s 112 and Yohan Cabaye of Newcastle’s 117. In addition, Allen matched this incredible quantity of tackles with consistency, winning 75% of these tackles. This is superior to most of his midfield competitors, winning more tackles than Carrick (68%), Scott Parker (70%), and Joey Barton (70%), though he fell a bit short of Marouane Fellaini of Everton’s league-leading for midfielders 84%. Joe Allen’s aerial ability is not one of his strong suits, however, winning just 18% of his aerial duels. He also did not enter these aerial 50-50s very often, attempting just 17 throughout the whole season. All-in-all, Allen had a very solid season for Swansea, punctuated by his incredible pass accuracy and tackle success rate. It is quite obvious why Brendan Rodgers wanted to make him a part of his Liverpool squad.
A Defence of Joe Allen | Stats Analysis Mar 30, 2013 gmazeine 2,750 Views 5 On March 20th, Liverpool FC announced that Welsh midfielder Joe Allen would miss the rest of the 2012/13 campaign after he underwent surgery on his left shoulder. To some cynical LFC fans, this surgery was a blessing in disguise–the much-maligned Welshman’s performances of late have been incredibly inconsistent, and despite Brendan Rodgers’ staunch public defence of Allen, who came with the new Liverpool manager from Swansea to Anfield last summer, Allen has not won many supporters during his first season on Merseyside. However, as a Liverpool fan I have a policy of always supporting players, regardless of their form. While this does not mean that I don’t prefer Jordan Henderson over Allen in the center of the park, it does mean that I am willing to defend him against his critics. Allen’s Final Season with Swansea City AFC Joe Allen was an integral part of Swansea City AFC’s pass-and-move style of 2011/12, and won many plaudits as a key part of the Welsh club’s midfield. When Rodgers brought his former player to Liverpool as a part of his “Anfield Revolution” for around £15 million during the summer 2012 transfer window, the Northern Irish manager infamously called Allen “the Welsh Xavi.” Obviously, the Welshman is nowhere near the quality of the legendary Spanish playmaker, but Allen did have a very good year at the Liberty Stadium during 2011/12. His 91% pass accuracy was nothing short of immaculate, and was the second best among midfielders who attempted over 1500 passes–Swansea teammate Leon Britton edged him with 93%. One of Allen’s best games in the Swansea shirt was a master class at the Liberty against Newcastle, in which he completed 118 of 123 attempted passes. In addition, his 84% final third pass accuracy is up there with the best in the league, especially for a deeper-lying midfielder. However, a valid criticism of Allen’s 2011/12 campaign was the amount of his passes that went backwards. His 24% is higher than most of his midfield competitors like Manchester United’s Michael Carrick (10%) and Arsenal’s Mikel Arteta (13%). In addition, Allen only attempted 8 through balls during the entire season, an indication that he was not the creative hub of that Swansea side. This is further reflected in his lack of chances created, creating a chance every 63 minutes, which doesn’t compare at all to other playmakers in the league. However, Allen was generally quite good in possession, losing the ball once every 8 minutes. League-best for midfielders Leon Britton lost the ball every 12 minutes, and Allen is nearly equal with standouts Carrick and Tottenham’s Scott Parker, who lost the ball every 8 and 9 minutes, respectively. On the other side of the ball, Allen was extremely impressive defensively. His 110 tackles were bested only by Fulham man Mousa Dembélé’s 112 and Yohan Cabaye of Newcastle’s 117. In addition, Allen matched this incredible quantity of tackles with consistency, winning 75% of these tackles. This is superior to most of his midfield competitors, winning more tackles than Carrick (68%), Scott Parker (70%), and Joey Barton (70%), though he fell a bit short of Marouane Fellaini of Everton’s league-leading for midfielders 84%. Joe Allen’s aerial ability is not one of his strong suits, however, winning just 18% of his aerial duels. He also did not enter these aerial 50-50s very often, attempting just 17 throughout the whole season. All-in-all, Allen had a very solid season for Swansea, punctuated by his incredible pass accuracy and tackle success rate. It is quite obvious why Brendan Rodgers wanted to make him a part of his Liverpool squad.
i like ryan, and ryan too, and mark three.
now hug each other, cup each others bums and move on.
now hug each other, cup each others bums and move on.
Good aids
He did. He also played as the attacking midfielder of a midfield 3 for them a lot too. BR said that would excel there for us too. He's pretty versatile, and I think he's a top class footballer, always have.
I'm not sure what your point is here. You do seem desperate for an argument though.
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