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Sterling Deal Complete: 49 million (44 + 5)

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Dee said:
I think it plays out as:

1. If he turns out to be the new Messi we will want to shoot ourselves.
2. If he turns out to be as good as an Aguero we can look at the amount we received (if he's as good as Augero we get the add ons) and consider how we re-invested the funds. Could be good / could be bad.
3. He turns out to be a decent ten goals, ten assists a season wing-forward. Surely we re-invested the £35m better.
4. He fails to handle the expectation combined with the ~£10m /year salary and under performs. Happy days.


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1. Sterling? New Messi? One of the best ever? LOL. Never.
2. I can't see him reaching Aguero's level, but it's possible. I think it's the highest possible ceiling of his talent. Right now, the boy can't strike a ball cleanly. Technically he's got a lot of room for improvement. If he does improve that aspect of his game, then he could become world class. Will he be afforded the game time and patience he got at Liverpool with such a huge price tag and a manager's job constantly under threat? I don't think so. People don't understand how much of a good thing they have going at Anfield. Liverpool is such a great platform for many a career. We are continually giving players a platform to shine. Coutinho is going to be the next one (and he will no doubt be sold for 40 odd million in a few years to Barca).

Whatever way we look at 49m for Sterling, I think it'll only be considered a good value if we use the money wisely. In the past, that sort of money could buy us a young Torres and a young Suarez. Or we could waste it on another young Carroll. I'm encouraged by the fact that we're receiving this money now, and not at the end of August. Hence, the chances of a Carroll-type-panic buy is greatly reduced.
 
737Max said:
That's what they're all reporting RA. £200k per week
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That's kind of the root of the problem, isn't it? Mega-rich clubs willing to promise eye-watering salaries to inconsistent 20-year-olds and not caring what it does to their long-term development – if he fails, they will just buy the next hot thing next year. This is a systemic problem in football and won't be solved until EPL and other leagues adopt much tougher rules on foreign ownership.
 
rurikbird said:
That's kind of the root of the problem, isn't it? Mega-rich clubs willing to promise eye-watering salaries to inconsistent 20-year-olds and not caring what it does to their long-term development – if he fails, they will just buy the next hot thing next year. This is a systemic problem in football and won't be solved until EPL and other leagues adopt much tougher rules on foreign ownership.
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I don't think it's a foreign ownership that's the problem. It's a weak FA. They can easily impose rules on salaries if they want to protect the game.
 
I just don't understand the logic in giving a lad barely 20 that much a week after only a couple (if that) seasons. Football is fucking ruined.

*Awaits this Thursdays Ashes test at Lords with added enthusiasm*
 
We didn't have much choice. Sterling ends up looking like a cunt... a cunt who got exactly what he wanted, along with his cunt agent.

He did learn a lot from playing with Suarez and now he thinks he'll be paid more to play around better players and have a higher profile. He might think it will help his development. He might be wrong on all of that, but he'll never be wrong about the money. He's sacrificed some of the value of his image but if he scored a goal or two for England or City, everyone save us would forget. England loves to believe its producing shit hot attacking talent.

In the end its just another example of having little choice. None of the clubs really have it if Madrid or Barcelona come knocking, but we can't keep our best players from going to City in this instance. A team that narrowly beat us to the title in completely gutting fashion. So we'll boo him and decide we're not worried he'll succeed while simultaneously willing him to fail.

I don't care how smart this is, unless we buy someone really fucking good and come out wiping our hands of him, every time we really have little choice but to get the best deal we can, it can't help feel like it underscores how entrenched our station is in the league. We could be more nimble, use the money really well and emerge from this a lot stronger, but yea, we've no reason to believe that. We got fucked last year in this same situation, and the owners didn't change anything in terms of scouting. Surely they are under immense pressure to deliver this summer.
 
Farkmaster said:
We didn't have much choice. Sterling ends up looking like a cunt... a cunt who got exactly what he wanted, along with his cunt agent.

He did learn a lot from playing with Suarez and now he thinks he'll be paid more to play around better players and have a higher profile. He might think it will help his development. He might be wrong on all of that, but he'll never be wrong about the money. He's sacrificed some of the value of his image but if he scored a goal or two for England or City, everyone save us would forget. England loves to believe its producing shit hot attacking talent.

In the end its just another example of having little choice. None of the clubs really have it if Madrid or Barcelona come knocking, but we can't keep our best players from going to City in this instance. A team that narrowly beat us to the title in completely gutting fashion. So we'll boo him and decide we're not worried he'll succeed while simultaneously willing him to fail.

I don't care how smart this is, unless we buy someone really fucking good and come out wiping our hands of him, every time we really have little choice but to get the best deal we can, it can't help feel like it underscores how entrenched our station is in the league. We could be more nimble, use the money really well and emerge from this a lot stronger, but yea, we've no reason to believe that. We got fucked last year in this same situation, and the owners didn't change anything in terms of scouting. Surely they are under immense pressure to deliver this summer.
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Yup. No point wasting our angst on this transfer anymore. I am personally saving my angst/name calling when Coutinho to Chelsea/Madrid/Barcelona starts,
 
Alonso.. Rafa tried to flog him..Tax in England.. Blah Blah..
Mascherano...Highly unprofessional, refused to play, wife not settled..
Torres...lacked loyalty, Chelsea's wages...
Suarez...Too many issues to handle...We were always going to lose him anyway...
Sterling...Not that good..Not a big loss anyways...

At some point the heat should fall on our management structure. Start winning stuff and pay the necessary wages and most players will stay. If not they will find creative ways to leave. Not sure if half of our legends from our glory years would have been around if we were consistently below Spurs.
 
Rodgers in tonight's #motd2 interview: 'Raheem ran into the box like Ricky Villa and finished it like Ricky Gervais'

That's how I will remember him.
 
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I genuinely thought we'd win the league after that match^^^

How quickly things change.
 
As unfashionable as it may seem in this thread. I completely agree with Macca.

Addons for a club of city's financial clout is a bit if a slap on the face.

Whoooo we'll get a million in 2 years when he makes the appropriate amount of starts

I'd rather the extra money now, rather than want city to have success
 
Fabio said:
As unfashionable as it may seem in this thread. I completely agree with Macca.

Addons for a club of city's financial clout is a bit if a slap on the face.

Whoooo we'll get a million in 2 years when he makes the appropriate amount of starts

I'd rather the extra money now, rather than want city to have success
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If reports are true, it's largely appearance based, rather than success based. I'd made the same point you had a few pages ago, so I'm not saying it's wrong by any stretch, the sentiment is correct, but if the deal is structured over appearances, it's no different to most big deals, there's pretty much always some part of the deal that's structured - and as far as I'm aware, QPR only get a cut of the initial fee, rather than incentives, so in that sense, it makes some sense.
 
I'm gutted about this.

He's a very good player and he's only going to get better. We are going to struggle to replace him.

Not only that but look at the top players we've sold off in recent years, we aren't an end destination for top players anymore.

I suppose the only silver lining is the fees we are getting for the top players.
 
mark1975 said:
If reports are true, it's largely appearance based, rather than success based. I'd made the same point you had a few pages ago, so I'm not saying it's wrong by any stretch, the sentiment is correct, but if the deal is structured over appearances, it's no different to most big deals, there's pretty much always some part of the deal that's structured - and as far as I'm aware, QPR only get a cut of the initial fee, rather than incentives, so in that sense, it makes some sense.
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If it's largely appearance based, hypothetically would 4m be the appearance fee over however long.

I'd understand from near enough any other club, but this is city. A team with as deep a pocket as we're likely to see, and a massive need for English players. We could have easily held out for 49m flat out and up front.

Also, how is the deal structured? Is it 45m up front, or spread out.
 
Fabio said:
If it's largely appearance based, hypothetically would 4m be the appearance fee over however long.

I'd understand from near enough any other club, but this is city. A team with as deep a pocket as we're likely to see, and a massive need for English players. We could have easily held out for 49m flat out and up front.

Also, how is the deal structured? Is it 45m up front, or spread out.
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It's supposed to be £44m plus a structured £5m, built up of a few incentives, which I'd imagine are standard stuff like a certain number of league games, a handful of International appearances and possibly European appearances. People are talking about this from the perspective that we had a fee in mind (£50m) and that was it, black and white. The longer it rolled on the more distracting it had the potential to be. Ultimately it's £49m, people are only up in arms because £5m of that is further down the line, it's still pretty much what we'd (reportedly) wanted. And it's still grossly inflated, when you consider what we and United have just paid for Firmino and Depay, two superior players.
 
HC said:
I'm gutted about this.

He's a very good player and he's only going to get better. We are going to struggle to replace him.

Not only that but look at the top players we've sold off in recent years, we aren't an end destination for top players anymore.

I suppose the only silver lining is the fees we are getting for the top players.
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Yep, agree with most of that. Your silverlining for me isn't even that, though, as I don't trust us to spend it wisely or even address the positions that need addressing.

There is no positive to losing Sterling in my eyes.
 
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No, you're right. Im desperately looking for a positive.

I think with the position we are in, sterling was pretty much invaluable.

Were just decreasing the odds of future success by replacing dependable good players with potential and unknowns.
 
Well, when Suarez went, not only was it a kick in the teeth, but to add insult to injury the fee - despite being a stonking amount of money - seemed too low.

As galling as it is to lose our talent to a team we'd like to consider a rival, at least this time it doesn't really feel like we got diddled on the price
 
singlerider said:
Well, when Suarez went, not only was it a kick in the teeth, but to add insult to injury the fee - despite being a stonking amount of money - seemed too low.

As galling as it is to lose our talent to a team we'd like to consider a rival, at least this time it doesn't really feel like we got diddled on the price
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As HC says, Sterling was almost invaluable to us. One of our best players if not our actual best player, and with years and years ahead of him.

A big blow losing him at whatever cost.
 
I agree mostly with Macca.
But the kid wanted to leave and effectively went on strike. You cant put up with that, it can ruin the squad. And we ultimately had to get the best deal for the club.
44m is a fantastic wodge of cash for a good young player with potential.
This time a year ago Ross Barkeley was being talked about like this now he barely gets a game at Everton.
Scott Sinclair, Jack Rodwell, Shaun Phillips im sure there are other great examples of what has happened here.

We didnt want to sell but we didnt have a choice. I think we could have dug our heels in and said 50m or no dice but ultimately what would that have got us? Pride? Its not THAT important. Weve just sold a 21 year old for a British transfer record.
He is a cracking player. 44m worth? Im not having that.
 
If he gets them the assists and goals that win them the title or champions league he is £44m and then some.

Transfer fees aren't fixed, they are completely circumstantial. This is a coup for man city, young, English international, premiership proven.

£20m on a fiminio or £40m on sterling, I know who I would pick at this point in time, every single time.
 
singlerider said:
Well, when Suarez went, not only was it a kick in the teeth, but to add insult to injury the fee - despite being a stonking amount of money - seemed too low.

As galling as it is to lose our talent to a team we'd like to consider a rival, at least this time it doesn't really feel like we got diddled on the price
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I'd say the Suarez fee was fantastitic, he was never going to be close to 100m. 75m for him was great financial business, obviously poor for footballing reasons as he was one hell of a player. Can't do much about it theses days though, if a player wants out 90% they'll be granted their wish. As in our case it as about maximising the fee, which I think we did on both occasions with Suarez and Sterling. Spending it appropriately is something we have had issues with, something I fear will happen again unfortunately. But hey ho, I'm excited to see this new Brazilian chap though.
 
It isnt a coup for them at all HC.
The only fans who think City are getting a good deal are Liverpool fans.
Everyone EVERYONE else thinks they are paying way over the odds and that we have bent them over.

Couple that with what a massive cunt he will be if he doesnt play every game and we have 100% done a good job.
 
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