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Sol Campbell's racism nightmare was even worse than we thought

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gkmacca said:
Parker captained how many times? That's a really forced example. 'Wright has none' - I'm not sure what that even means. Campbell NEVER looked like the kind of captain at the back that England prefer post-Moore. They've gone for shouty, aggressive, visibly bossy types when it comes to defenders - in other words, Terry. It's either been that or star midfielders - Robson, Gerry Francis, Ince, Gerrard - or the top striker - Keegan, Lineker, Owen, Shearer. Campbell's problem was that he was always a quiet, enigmatic, insular loner, on and off the pitch. I've always been strongly against discrimination but Campbell is talking absolute bollocks here. When you compare Campbell's gripes to what Barnes went through, which was genuinely appalling, then really Campbell's whines sound even more 'pathetic' than his view of his own England captains.
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I get it. You are incensed by his incessant whinging in his book. But i'm struggling to see what the point of saying "If you compare that to what Barnes went through...." etc is...

Are you saying the FA acted with racial prejudice in one case and not the other? Either way, you are proving what Campbell is alleging not the opposite.

Anyway Sol Campbell was the second youngest England captain ever, and went on to play at least 50 more times since he got that cap... I think he is within his right to feel hard done by and suspect something else was at play here. You have just acted a bit jumpy about the whole thing and have finally arrived at a decent argument when you say you can't think of a more sullen, aloof captaincy candidate, but still there are plenty of examples of players who have been exactly that kind of character chosen to be England captain. Some will argue the current England captain is quite a bit like that.
 
kingjulian said:
I get it. You are incensed by his incessant whinging in his book. But i'm struggling to see what the point of saying "If you compare that to what Barnes went through...." etc is...

Are you saying the FA acted with racial prejudice in one case and not the other? Either way, you are proving what Campbell is alleging not the opposite.

Anyway Sol Campbell was the second youngest England captain ever, and went on to play at least 50 more times since he got that cap... I think he is within his right to feel hard done by and suspect something else was at play here. You have just acted a bit jumpy about the whole thing and have finally arrived at a decent argument when you say you can't think of a more sullen, aloof captaincy candidate, but still there are plenty of examples of players who have been exactly that kind of character chosen to be England captain. Some will argue the current England captain is quite a bit like that.
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I get it. You think you are the uber-anti-racist on here. Have a medal. This is obviously one of those 'Quiet Sunday on SCM' keep a pointless thread going routines, so I'm oot. See you on Monday.
 
It's a massive allegation and it's got very little basis in reality. Sometimes some people aren't suited to being a captain. Shearer was, ferdinand was, Terry was, Ince was.

Campbell never gave the impression he would be a particularly good captain.

It's not racist if you don't give someone a job because they're not right for it
 
I bet those WC goals were also disallowed due to your colour. Never a captain type. Far too quiet a character, and not self centred enough. Move on Sol, the world isn't against you.
 
Didn't he leave the stadium a few years back at half time coz he was having a shocker.
Who's fault was that Sol you crazy bellwhiff.
 
Didn't he once claim he should have been called up to a euro or World Cup squad when he was 38 and playing for notts county?

Edit: can't have been cos he's 39 now.
 
Didn't he once not get a throw in, and ended up crying in the goalmouth for 5 minutes?
 
On his 50th cap against Denmark at the 2002 World Cup in Japan. “Do you know, the FA planned no recognition for me? They had prepared nothing. I was hurt and, again, disappointed. I complained to someone in the FA and only then did they give me a memento, a few weeks after the World Cup: a collage of photographs from all the games, with no frame.”

It would be good to know what the norm was for other players who got 50 caps? If the same happens to them, then this is a silly argument, however, if they were treated 'better' and with more respect, he could be on to something,
 
Fabio said:
It's a massive allegation and it's got very little basis in reality. Sometimes some people aren't suited to being a captain. Shearer was, ferdinand was, Terry was, Ince was.

Campbell never gave the impression he would be a particularly good captain.

It's not racist if you don't give someone a job because they're not right for it
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Clearly it is if they're black or Asian in England. We are all racists and should give people jobs and roles based on quotas rather than ability. Then we will be able to sleep at night without the hand wringing of the do gooders in society. I for one will employ a black person next time I recruit, regardless of ability. Just to lead the way. What's Sols number?
 
Loch Ness Monster said:
I bet those WC goals were also disallowed due to your colour. Never a captain type. Far too quiet a character, and not self centred enough. Move on Sol, the world isn't against you.
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It is. He's black, we all hate blacks and we they don't get made England captain for long enough cos they is black. Is this boring enough now? I have got a book to sell too. It's Mein Kampf...
 
Bollocks to him. Am i supposed to feel something when he spouts shit like this? Guilty for being white?
Fucking plum.
 
He's still going on too. He was on the TV this morning drivelling along the same lines and sounding even more of a whining, self-regarding oaf than he does in print.
 
Judge Jules said:
He's still going on too. He was on the TV this morning drivelling along the same lines and sounding even more of a whining, self-regarding oaf than he does in print.
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He has a book out in two weeks. Same old tricks.
 
Judge Jules said:
He's still going on too. He was on the TV this morning drivelling along the same lines and sounding even more of a whining, self-regarding oaf than he does in print.
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I think it's wonderful. The FA, the media, football in general had an opportunity to learn about racism from far more educated people like Suarez and Barnes. They declined so fuck them. Now they can deal with uneducated drivel like this. Sol Campbell is awesome in my view, whether he is genuinely thick or a brilliant troll out to sell books, either way it is hilarious to watch.
 
Fair comment. I love the fact that the FA themselves are the target of his bilious mithering. Serves them Right with a capital "R".
 
Sven managed the ivory Coast national team and then all over the middle east and Asia so you'd imagine he would be one decision on maker lacking racist motive.

Isn't it just the manager that decides? I suppose he also played under huddle and one or two others but essentially he's he's accusing individuals of being racist? Surely if unfounded there's a case for legal action against Sol?
 
Paul ince is just as bad, everything that goes against him is because he is black according to him
 
HC said:
Sven managed the ivory Coast national team and then all over the middle east and Asia so you'd imagine he would be one decision on maker lacking racist motive.

Isn't it just the manager that decides? I suppose he also played under huddle and one or two others but essentially he's he's accusing individuals of being racist? Surely if unfounded there's a case for legal action against Sol?
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Loool unfortunately not. Defamation law has tightened up a lot recently, I just managed to get my claim in mere months before the new act was brought in. It's next to impossible to do him. You'd have to prove that what he has written in his book and said in interviews he genuinely knew to be false, that he did it with malicious intent, and that it resulted in damage to the FA.

On the one hand, Sol Campbell is black and will claim he genuinely believed he was a victim or racism. On the other hand, the FA has a multi million pound anti-racism kick it out campaign, they have banned several players for racism, and they have no senior figures who are black within football. To top it off the FA don't even know what racism is. Campbell has free reign to say whatever he likes and I sincerely hope he continues.
 
Modo said:
Was Sol Campbell Spurs captain before he sold them out and went to their rivals?
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I think Mabbutt was still officially captain but he hardly ever played so Campbell was usually captain. Then he said this:

Sol Campbell has given Tottenham Hotspur fans the New Year message they all wanted to hear. The Spurs skipper has ended speculation that he was leaving White Hart Lane at the end of the season on a free transfer by declaring - "I'm going nowhere."

Campbell was free to negotiate with clubs from Monday under the Bosman Ruling and Manchester United were said to be favourites to sign the England defender.

But the 26-year-old continued: "I want to play for Tottenham - that's it. I've been here for so long and there's no reason to think I would want to leave.

"For me to do well at this club would mean everything. I play for Spurs with a passion and desire, and it hurts me when we lose."
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Then he moved to Arsenal and couldn't quite figure out why, other than the fact he was black, the Spurs fans got so testy about it.
 
I hear he has this framed and hanging in his 'office' (it's really the toilet).

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