Sack him

[Best Believe It]

Also worth thinking about is whether the structure we have supports a manager, realistically.

It's not an excuse for Rodgers' failings, of which I make no defence, but I think the club needs to think whether it is set up for success as far as running the football side is concerned. Is Ayre good enough to get in players? I get the impression he finds it too easy to accept missing out on players. Is the transfer committee working well enough? Are the people on said committee performing as they should be?

Like I said, this doesn't gloss over any deficiencies in the manager, but I think FSG should be looking at whether we have a management structure that is going to give long term stability and a high standard of results.

I read Bascombe's opinion piece in the telegraph today:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-failure-to-fix-clear-flaws-in-the-squad.html

I don't always like Bascombe's stuff - his constant refusal to entertain any criticism of Gerrard for a start - but his point about our attitude to being back in the European Cup I do agree with. We aren't showing that much humility about things. I know we have a long storied history but we shouldn't have been saying 'this is back where we belong', we should have been going 'we need to work twice as hard now we're here'.

Paisley used to hand out League winner medals and say something along the lines of 'Well done lads, see you for pre-season in July'. There was no sense of basking in glory, and I think that's what's happened after last season. I think we've as a club been overwhelmed by emotion.

 

[Oncy]

Rafa was in sole charge of his purchases, and while he missed out on a fair few of his first choices (simao and alves spring to mind) he alone chose every player he signed a point he laboured over for years.
I dont believe Mr Rodgers has been afforded that same courtesy.
I also think its Churlish to talk about how a player has done after 6 months at the club and measure them against players who have been here for 6 years.

Rafa was a shambles in the transfer market the last couple of seasons. He was also tactically falling apart but there were many factors affecting that.

Id love to see some of our fans offer Mr Rodgers the same level of support they offer Rafa.

 

[Modo]

Id love to see some of our fans offer Mr Rodgers the same level of support they offer Rafa.

Rafa earned that support by winning the CL.

 

[gkmacca]

Also worth thinking about is whether the structure we have supports a manager, realistically.

It's not an excuse for Rodgers' failings, of which I make no defence, but I think the club needs to think whether it is set up for success as far as running the football side is concerned. Is Ayre good enough to get in players? I get the impression he finds it too easy to accept missing out on players. Is the transfer committee working well enough? Are the people on said committee performing as they should be?

Like I said, this doesn't gloss over any deficiencies in the manager, but I think FSG should be looking at whether we have a management structure that is going to give long term stability and a high standard of results.

I read Bascombe's opinion piece in the telegraph today:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-failure-to-fix-clear-flaws-in-the-squad.html

I don't always like Bascombe's stuff - his constant refusal to entertain any criticism of Gerrard for a start - but his point about our attitude to being back in the European Cup I do agree with. We aren't showing that much humility about things. I know we have a long storied history but we shouldn't have been saying 'this is back where we belong', we should have been going 'we need to work twice as hard now we're here'.

Paisley used to hand out League winner medals and say something along the lines of 'Well done lads, see you for pre-season in July'. There was no sense of basking in glory, and I think that's what's happened after last season. I think we've as a club been overwhelmed by emotion.

Yes, thanks for posting that. I normally find Bascombe tiresome as both a writer and pundit but he's way above usual form there.

 

[Oncy]

Rafa was in sole charge of his purchases, and while he missed out on a fair few of his first choices (simao and alves spring to mind) he alone chose every player he signed a point he laboured over for years.
I dont believe Mr Rodgers has been afforded that same courtesy.
I also think its Churlish to talk about how a player has done after 6 months at the club and measure them against players who have been here for 6 years.

Rafa was a shambles in the transfer market the last couple of seasons. He was also tactically falling apart but there were many factors affecting that.

Id love to see some of our fans offer Mr Rodgers the same level of support they offer Rafa.

 

[gkmacca]

You only need to look at how much we paid to agents in the last couple of years to shudder at the performance of Ayre and Co. He wouldn't get a job at Tesco's.

 

[Jack D Rips]

I really want Brendan to succeed but I'm extremely worried that he wont. All I want to see is improvement and its not happening. Even the couple of recent wins , whilst welcome, were lucky if we are honest, and papered over the cracks.

As soon as I saw the team for last night I, and everyone here knew, that it was not the team to win the game. Why did Brendan not know that?

 

[hmmmmm1]

When BR first took over the club he was sole charge of transfer, we signed Allen for 15 million and borini for 12 million.

 

[Best Believe It]

When BR first took over the club he was sole charge of transfer, we signed Allen for 15 million and borini for 12 million.

He may have been in sole charge of identifying players but he didn't set their price. Allen is a good player.

 

[IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts]

Sole charge, you sure? I thought it was a collective effort? But they wouldn't sign a player he didn't want.

 

[hmmmmm1]

He may have been in sole charge of identifying players but he didn't set their price. Allen is a good player.

If you know what your transfer budget is, you cut your cloth accordingly and don't sign an overpriced player.

Lallana and Allen are good players but cost the best part of 40 million

 

[Delinquent]

The point I making he appears clueless in getting it right in the market.. thats the analogy I was making..

1 player out of the signings he has made stands out.. and he is constantly injured.. Coutinho could be another, but he is too inconsistant

Its a shocking statistic...

It's not a "statistic". Statistics are generally based on facts, not the inane ramblings of clueless football fans.

 

[ILD]

Just reading back on this thread. Suarez leaving was different to Ronaldo leaving. We over achieved and pushed ourselves back into the top 4. We had a shaky defense, Suarez and Sturridge papered over the cracks. United were a mainstay in the champions league with a winning mentality bred into them from years of success.

Ronaldo left and Rooney stepped forward to score 26 or so league goals. They had a solid experienced keeper with Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra in front of them. They had one of the best managers of all time.

I don't think it's far to use them as an example of how to cope when you lose your best player. At the time they were solid, experienced and had match winners all over the pitch.

If Sturridge scored 26 league goals this season we'd prob finish in the top 4 easily.

 

[6TimesaRed]

He may have been in sole charge of identifying players but he didn't set their price. Allen is a good player.

There is nothing in his game that convinces me tbh...

He is a so so player.. at least he is not so sideways as he used to be these days...

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Just reading back on this thread. Suarez leaving was different to Ronaldo leaving. We over achieved and pushed ourselves back into the top 4. We had a shaky defense, Suarez and Sturridge papered over the cracks. United were a mainstay in the champions league with a winning mentality bred into them from years of success.



Ronaldo left and Rooney stepped forward to score 26 or so league goals. They had a solid experienced keeper with Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra in front of them. They had one of the best managers of all time.



I don't think it's far to use them as an example of how to cope when you lose your best player. At the time they were solid, experienced and had match winners all over the pitch.



If Sturridge scored 26 league goals this season we'd prob finish in the top 4 easily.

WHERE IS THE GRAPH!?!?!

 

[peekay]

I personally think Rafa is a better manager than Rodgers but it would be unfair on Rodgers to sack him now and bring Rafa in. For one thing, Rafa and GH always had access to one of our greatest ever player in his prime who pulled rabbits out of the hat at critical points.

If Rodgers had a 25 year old Steven Gerrard now, we would still be in the CL and would be in the top 4. He is the first manager in a long time who doesn't have access to a true difference maker ( Fowler, Mcmanaman, Gerrard, Owen, Suarez, Torres) in their prime - the sort of player who multiplies tactical options and hides tactical errors. Of course, one could argue that he had 100 million to get one such player here. But I don't think he should be fired right now for not purchasing such a player and not anticipating Sturridge wont kick a ball in the CL.

 

[mark1975]

Problem I have with that is you are prepared to give him two more transfer windows..

Do you think the owners would give him any more money to waste.. ? Brendon in the transfer market is like sending your wife out to go buy that big wide screen TV you always wanted, for her only to comeback with a Cheap Polaroid Model from Tescos's... Yes it serves it purpose, but on the face of it, its shite..

I would not trust him with another penny and I really don't think the owners will too.. If he gets the stay of execution in January, I imagine the only funds he will get will be from Player Sales..

A fresh approach needs to given to the club asap, in order for this great club of ours to move forward... Giving Brendon time to fuck it up even further is not the answer..

They might look at it with a bit of sense and say, ok, we haven't identified problem positions well, but we've strengthened the squad & we've also been weakened by a BIG injury to a key player. We've done the building, now lets add a couple of big players to complete the squad and push on. Put this half of the season behind us and lets see if we can get back in the thick of it and play something close to the brilliant football that served us so well last season.

Or they could just be trigger happy, impatient bellends.

 

[6TimesaRed]

I personally think Rafa is a better manager than Rodgers but it would be unfair on Rodgers to sack him now and bring Rafa in. For one thing, Rafa and GH always had access to one of our greatest ever player in his prime who pulled rabbits out of the hat at critical points.

If Rodgers had a 25 year old Steven Gerrard now, we would still be in the CL and would be in the top 4. He is the first manager in a long time who doesn't have access to a true difference maker ( Fowler, Mcmanaman, Gerrard, Owen, Suarez, Torres) in their prime - the sort of player who multiplies tactical options and hides tactical errors. Of course, one could argue that he had 100 million to get one such player here. But I don't think he should be fired right now for not purchasing such a player and not anticipating Sturridge wont kick a ball in the CL.

He had 120 million big ones to address that in the summer.. I dont see how anyone can have any sympathy for him in that regards..

Instead of buying 'squad players' he should of bought that iconic player the squad lost in the summer.. Non of player he bought has 'Champions League Experience..'

The irony is he bought for the Champions League campaign to give the squad depth, however in the end he reverted to picking line ups that did not consist of the new signings..

The selection he made for the Madrid away game was the most embarrising I have seen any Livepool manager put out since the day dot...

Like he said you spend that sort of money, you really should be challenging. There really is no excuses for level of performances we are putting in week after week.. The manager has to take the responsibility, it is his tactics that lead to the below par performances...

If this was Roy Hogson.. you all would be screaming for him to be given the boot... I just do not see how this is any differant...

 

[ILD]

Rafa had a history of bizarre line ups, signing squad options and being at the helm during turgid displays. That's why I'm confused as to why you are clamoring for him to come back.

I did a quick search and yielding this return. You wanted Rafa gone it seems?

RedNinja, Oct 20, 2009

We lose at the weekend..

*and rafa will be gone... no question... Managers in this league have been sacked for much less.. why does he wait till 8 mins left to give his last roll of the dice ? and Voronin for Benayoun!!! ffs.. Shows how much faith he has in Babel...


*even if we do beat them its what we do after that, that concerns me more... Our squad is lacking to challenge... its like De Ja Vu.. the Houllier era all over again..

 

[Modo]

It's called hubris. We all had our fair share of humble pie when Rafa was sacked and replaced by fucking Hodgson.

 

[6TimesaRed]

I have to admit.. his turged displays did call me to question him in his last season..

That being said.. when I look back on it, I do think I was overly harsh... the circumstances of the club was probably more to blame..

we didn't have the depth in the squad, because we didn't have any money.. and any money we did have was spent badly..

That being said.. Rafa long term I am not so sure..

If he was just given responsibilty to do what he did best.. being a master tactitician, I think things would be differant.. He had far too much control in terms of the club, that where it went wrong for him imho..

I would give him a 1 1/2 year contract nothing more nothing less

 

[Red Mullet]

I have to admit.. his turged displays did call me to question him in his last season..

That being said.. when I look back on it, I do think I was overly harsh... the circumstances of the club was probably more to blame..

we didn't have the depth in the squad, because we didn't have any money.. and any money we did have was spent badly..

That being said.. Rafa long term I am not so sure..

If he was just given responsibilty to do what he did best.. being a master tactitician, I think things would be differant.. He had far too much control in terms of the club, that where it went wrong for him imho..

I would give him a 1 1/2 year contract nothing more nothing less

Why would Rafa accept such a shitty deal?

I'm amazed you haven't asked for Kenny to return? His Liverpool managerial highs are much greater than Rafas and since we're ignoring our past legends failures you've got to go with who did best.

We could also bring back Paisley, won numerous European cups and the title. Let's conveniently forget he's passed away because that's his failing and we're not counting those.

 

[Athens]

I don't understand what would be the point in bringing anyone in for a short term contract. That wouldn't fix anything.

 

[6TimesaRed]

I don't understand what would be the point in bringing anyone in for a short term contract. That wouldn't fix anything.

If its successful then what's the risk? ..

It all about Champions League qualification.. Without that you are unable to compete.. Get that move on..
If he build a squad that can challenge extend his stay..


If he doesn't bring in someone who can. That being said if Klopp became available that certainly would be my Preferance..

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

It's not about CL qualification, it's about sustained success. CL qualification is only useful if it helps bring success in the long term.

 

[Modo]

just to make things clear, fuck the short term contract. Give Rafa a 4 year contract.

 

[Wiberg]

Ninja, I think you are missing the bus in regards what we need to get back on track. Most of us here acknowledge continuity as a key ingredient... Clearly it doesn't mean much to you.

As for Rafa coming back, - yikes!


A striker that ran out of gas 72 hours before kickoff and a sofa in every seat at Anfield to hide behind. Priceless!!

 

[6TimesaRed]

It's not about CL qualification, it's about sustained success. CL qualification is only useful if it helps bring success in the long term.

You cannot get sustained success without Champions League qualification..

Champions League qualification is needed in order to compete... The financial rewards are huge.. and they getter bigger and bigger every season..

 

[Judge Jules]

Sole charge, you sure? I thought it was a collective effort? But they wouldn't sign a player he didn't want.

I wish I could share your confidence over that last bit.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

You cannot get sustained success without Champions League qualification..

Champions League qualification is needed in order to compete... The financial rewards are huge.. and they getter bigger and bigger every season..

We made it into it last season after a five year absence, just because we may miss out this season doesn't mean we should throw away all the work we've done over the last two years under Rodgers and get back in someone who has achieved very little in the past 5 years on the short term.

I actually have no idea why I'm even discussing this with you to be honest.