That's a pretty empty gesture considering none of them would have played if we had a chance of progressing.
Roy Hodgson is a fucking cunt
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And yet again, this time with Oxlade-Chamberlain, an England manager took a crocked player to the finals in the vague hope that he might be jogging around a bit by the time England cruised to the quarter-finals. They should hand every England manager a set of rules that include: Don't take any player unless they're declared 100% fit before heading off to the finals; Don't take any young player just to soak up the atmosphere - if you want them to do that, buy them a set of tickets so they can sit and watch with the other punters; and Don't wait until you arrive to start deciding how you're going to play.
Parry and Graham are laying right into Hodgson on Talksport, thank you! its been so scarce in the media.
In one of the warm up games, Honduras/Ecuador, forget which one.
I've heard others on there who normally stick up for him turning on him as well. It'll be interesting to see whether he survives if Costa Rica wipe the floor with England today.
I think so. But they were allowed to call up a replacement and chose not too
It was in the Honduras friendly game. And he could have changed him for someone else. FIFA allowed that
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Suarez?
There's a little difference between giving Suarez, the best player in their team, a bit of time, and giving Oxlade-Chamberlain a bit of time.
That said, if they replaced him with someone who was fit to play, it wouldn't have made a difference, they probably wouldn't have played any part anyway.
Good, its not that i want to see the man and his character taken apart and shat on in the press (hmmm that might be a bit of a lie, lol) , just want to see some acknowledgement of his part in it all, and some criticism of him, he certainly deserves it, no-one else would get away with it so why should he? its truly mad how he is above it all and gets away with it, frustrating!
More than anything i would like to see the fraud take some responsibility himself for England's worst ever World Cup, he should do a Keegan and hold his hands up and admit it's too much for him but he won't though because its not in his cretinous nature, hes not an honest man like Keegan, its all the players fault and every other excuse he can blame it on, as we know as Liverpool fans.
Got to admit i thought keep him on because England would need him, doh, stupid really should have known better, it was made out it wasn't that serious and he would be ok for the 2nd game though, doesn't look like he would have been ready at all for any of it even if England had got out of the group.
If he's your absolute top player and the medical advice is that he's definitely going to be fit, then yes. That's pretty obvious, isn't it, as is Oxlade-Chamberlain's peripheral role and uncertain medical prognosis. I'm not sure what your point is - Ron Greenwood was right to take a clearly unfit Kevin Keegan to the World Cup in Spain, Bobby Robson was right to take a crocked 'Captain Marvel' Bryan Robson to a World Cup, or Sven was right to take Rooney with his fractured metatarsal, etc etc? If that's your argument then I disagree and repeat the point you contested. The recent history of England at World Cups is littered with managers whose neurotic obsession with certain big players has caused them to waste a space in the squad.
When you think about injuries, Rooney's excuse of previous World Cups that he didn't perform because he had injuries leading up to it have been blown out of the water by Suarez and what he done.
of course but he'd be replacing oxlade with another fringe player so what's the point
I'll type this slowly so you can understand: BECAUSE THE FIT FRINGE PLAYER WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PLAY!
It's ridiculous really. Look at the jobs the coaches do at teams like Costa Rica, Chile, Mexico, USA with a fraction of the ability of the England squad. They have an identifiable ethos and vision, clear tactics and each player knows what they're doing. This buffoon comes in, tells everyone they have no chance, obtains the worst performance by an English team in a world cup in 60 years or something, and Clive Tyldsley and the likes lap it up and paint him as a deep thinker with an insight into the game, all while the problem in English football is rooted much further. Now Dyke has come out and said he will stay on until 2016. Costa Rica don't even have a fucking professional league (!) yet they top this group. The man is a fraud.
The frightening thing is that Neville is the next in line. Gary bloody Neville. What's he going to do, show them how to use the Sky widescreen graphics? Build an eco pod? He's not managed in his life. At least the much reviled Redknapp planned to bring in Rodgers as coach. At least that actually showed some sense.
Ha yeah, perhaps. I don't know, or care really, who should be the coach, but there will be someone - not even a big name - who will do a much better job than Hodgson. As I said before, look at the teams I've mentioned, and imagine they had some of the players England has with their system and coach.
It's the hypocrisy and revisionism in the media for me. "Oh we never had a chance anyway", "We don't have any world class players", "It's the structure of English football's fault", "It goes down to grass root level"... bullshit. This manager is the worst England have had in a long time, he's just managed to lower expectations, just as he had tried unsuccessfully with us. We saw through it. If he was foreign he wouldn't be getting this free ride, and that's the thing that stinks most about the hypocrisy of this country.
It's the hypocrisy and revisionism in the media for me. "Oh we never had a chance anyway", "We don't have any world class players", "It's the structure of English football's fault", "It goes down to grass root level"... bullshit. This manager is the worst England have had in a long time, he's just managed to lower expectations, just as he had tried unsuccessfully with us. We saw through it. If he was foreign he wouldn't be getting this free ride, and that's the thing that stinks most about the hypocrisy of this country.
It's all contributing factors though Hal.
Our management style is in the dark ages. Name a progressive English coach at an English team that's been around for donkeys. There might be one or 2 at lower level, but they won't get the chance while the likes of big Sam, 'arry, woy, pardew etc are about.
English football hasn't evolved since the 90s really, it might have even regressed
Our management style is in the dark ages. Name a progressive English coach at an English team that's been around for donkeys. There might be one or 2 at lower level, but they won't get the chance while the likes of big Sam, 'arry, woy, pardew etc are about.
English football hasn't evolved since the 90s really, it might have even regressed
I don't think it needs all that just to perform well at a world cup, though, the basic minimum requirement. Costa Rica don't have any of that, and you can't tell me Chile have a better infrastructure than England.
England are producing good players, but have chosen the wrong manager. They need someone with a clear vision and ethos. Not some bumbling idiot or mercenary manager who's in it for the money. Teams can be made to be greater than the sum of its parts, it can be done, and this world cup shows it.
Yeah I'd agree with you about the coaching and management styles. Though, that's starting to change with the influx of foreign ideas. Those pesky foreigners, eh? Yet they hire the biggest, most incompetent dinosaur there is out there and give him a free ride.
This 100%, not saying that England should be winning trophies and there are not other issues but come off it England should at the very least be giving themsleves the best chance possible with what coach they hire, no-one will ever convince me the players are not there to put a good solid competitive team together, there always has been and always will be, as mentioned before if just 1 or 2 small things had gone the England's way in past tournaments then perceptions would be a lot different than they are today.
Hodgson should be asked to justify how/why Costa Rica won both games against Italy and Uruguay and England didn't.
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Roberto Carlos on Roy Hodgson: "It's not that I did not have a good relationship with Hodgson. It is just that Hodgson doesn't know much about football."
i hope that quote is real.
i hope that quote is real.
It's not incomprehensible why Hodgson is still there, though. Who else is up for it? Managers under about 60 don't want to abandon daily involvement in a club. Foreign managers over 60 have seen how the players and press tried to blame Capello for everything and understandably don't fancy it anymore. Redknapp was blocked. So that leaves, well, Hodgson. What England needs is someone with the nous and vision and humility of Ron Greenwood, who thought beyond his own security and tried to link all levels together, bring in good young managers to get experience at lower international levels and generally build for the future whilst getting the senior side to play reasonably progressive football. I actually think Redknapp is still the only one close to serving that kind of role, unless Hoddle is given a second chance.
Agree with most of this, but that's why I also agree with Fabs. The FA are, and have been for decades, a hopeless bunch of time-serving posers who rarely if ever make the right choices about anything. Until that lot are thoroughly dynorodded, nothing else stands a chance.
Well even if they do make the right decisions, thanks to the greater power of the greed-driven premier league, the decision won't work. The FA could stun everyone and find an inspired choice, but what good would it do when everything is subordinated to the premiership?
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