Erm.... he was responding to a post that quoted his directly.
Have you used the forum for any other reason bar posting your usual Rodgers' hate?
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Erm.... he was responding to a post that quoted his directly.
Have you used the forum for any other reason bar posting your usual Rodgers' hate?
So we lose and you feel the need to kick the boot in at Mark and a few of the other lads who don't overly like Rodgers anyway? If Liverpool loses we all lose. It's odd and unnecessary to derive any joy out of losing, even if it's to try get one over a stranger on the internet.
Statistics are like mini-skirts, they don't reveal everything
I don't think many clubs would get rid of their manager after two defeats and so early on in the season. If the owners did, people would slag them off being reactionary and not giving the time to bed in so many new players.
And they hide what you really want
Is not just the start of the season though is it, in this case. Their is a huge case of history repeating itself from last season... Even this early on.. This is the fans biggest fear...
The majority of Liverpool fans wanted him gone before the summer, this was always going to happen on the back off a few defeats..
They do if you stand behind them on the escalator !
I agree with you I'd like to see him gone, as I believe the players have very little faith in him. I just don't think the club will consider sacking unless we loose the next two games.
I'm not sure if it's a persona or not but you have the ability to be as vicious and nasty as anyone on here Peter.
I doubt you actually felt bullied, if ya did fair enough but I'm definitely calling shenanigans on this one.
Chris Bascombe
Liverpool are standing by their manager for now, but there is a realistic view the current standard of performance cannot be tolerated for much longer.
Rodgers has two forthcoming home games in the Premier League against Norwich and Aston Villa, as well as a League Cup tie with Carlisle at Anfield. These fixtures will offer the greatest indication as to whether the malaise that has set in – and which began in the closing weeks of last season – can be reversed.
Rodgers not only needs positive results immediately, he also requires a standard of performance and a style of play to prevent further discussion about the direction for the rest of the season.
Although the criticism of him has intensified after back-to-back defeats, it was only five games ago the Liverpool board reiterated their preference for continuity.
“We take a long-term view on these matters,” Liverpool chairman Tom Werner said on August 7.
“We do believe Brendan is the right man for Liverpool and the right man to take the club forward.
“Our track record demonstrates that our approach and attitude is very much focused on stability. We have demonstrated that both on and off the pitch.”
To act on the basis of two defeats, albeit they were accompanied by dire performances, would represent a monumental u-turn by Fenway Sports Group.
That does not mean patience is infinite, however. The club's executives recognised a tough fixture list away from home at the start of this campaign, but now Rodgers must make the most of the forthcoming Anfield fixtures to suppress the early season debate regarding his position.
Liverpool are standing by their manager for now, but there is a realistic view the current standard of performance cannot be tolerated for much longer.
Rodgers has two forthcoming home games in the Premier League against Norwich and Aston Villa, as well as a League Cup tie with Carlisle at Anfield. These fixtures will offer the greatest indication as to whether the malaise that has set in – and which began in the closing weeks of last season – can be reversed.
Rodgers not only needs positive results immediately, he also requires a standard of performance and a style of play to prevent further discussion about the direction for the rest of the season.
Although the criticism of him has intensified after back-to-back defeats, it was only five games ago the Liverpool board reiterated their preference for continuity.
“We take a long-term view on these matters,” Liverpool chairman Tom Werner said on August 7.
“We do believe Brendan is the right man for Liverpool and the right man to take the club forward.
“Our track record demonstrates that our approach and attitude is very much focused on stability. We have demonstrated that both on and off the pitch.”
To act on the basis of two defeats, albeit they were accompanied by dire performances, would represent a monumental u-turn by Fenway Sports Group.
That does not mean patience is infinite, however. The club's executives recognised a tough fixture list away from home at the start of this campaign, but now Rodgers must make the most of the forthcoming Anfield fixtures to suppress the early season debate regarding his position.
Harry Redknapp's entire career is best described as "bang average" and even that might be too kind with the state he left Portsmouth in.
Power kneejerk!
Zero perspective and even less understanding of the business. How can you even suggest axing a manager 5 games in after you chose to back him? It has nothing to do with last season. It's a clean slate. That is how it works. The fact that you cant understand that John Henry/FSG would never do that is beyond me. He would feel like he should be axing himself. They all would. The sheer admission of guilt involved in letting BR go at this stage. Yes, it's politics. It always is. There is no way anybody in LFC boardroom places the complexity of making a team click on the highest level solely on BR doorstep at this stage. Maybe at xmas or if there is a player revolt or we just keep losing - which we won't. Obviously.
Norwich, Aston Villa and a League Cup tie with Carlisle at Anfield. It will be easy and this shitestorm will be long forgotten.
Zero perspective and even less understanding of the business. How can you even suggest axing a manager 5 games in after you chose to back him? It has nothing to do with last season. It's a clean slate. That is how it works. The fact that you cant understand that John Henry/FSG would never do that is beyond me. He would feel like he should be axing himself. They all would. The sheer admission of guilt involved in letting BR go at this stage. Yes, it's politics. It always is. There is no way anybody in LFC boardroom places the complexity of making a team click on the highest level solely on BR doorstep at this stage. Maybe at xmas or if there is a player revolt or we just keep losing - which we won't. Obviously.
Norwich, Aston Villa and a League Cup tie with Carlisle at Anfield. It will be easy and this shitestorm will be long forgotten.
Well, I hope we do win those games, obviously, but it'll only get him back to where he was in the middle of last season - a manager who desperately needs to win something and recover the style and success in the league of two years ago. It has to be baby steps now - first get some wins on the board, then show more cohesion, flair and tactical nous in our performances, then challenge for a cup and the top four. Even after that, he'll face huge pressure to prove himself in Europe and establish the team as genuine title contenders. It's a long and tough row to hoe, but he can only earn the time and patience to even start doing it by getting wins straight away in this coming set of games. One test will be his reaction if he does get through this current crisis. Last season, when he got the team back to be half-decent, he talked and talked about it as if he'd won a flipping title. This time I hope he'll keep his head down and his mouth shut and really show he's ready for the long haul.
Macca - don't get me wrong. I'm no big fan of Rodgers. Not even close. The way he handled the Gerrard issue was enough for me to make up my mind.
That said, I have followed this club since 77 and what I love above all is the class we have always shown. So if FSG decides to back a manager and disregard the result last season then we should all do so. To the hilt!
We let him go when hell is frozen over and it is clear as day it's the only way forward - That, for me, is the Liverpool way. Not opting for insane sacking bullshit 5 games in with 7 points and Arse/Old Toilet done away. It's derived of class and perspective. It is always the best thing to avoid sacking a manager mid-season. It sends a clear signal that you are not in control. Certainly not a signal we need sending.
I expect you of all people to tell people to sit the fuck down and clam it. Jon should too. All the people here with a brain should do that.
I think Wiberg's partly right, but you can't help feel that we'll just be papering over cracks. A few wins might allow us to build up some momentum, so we'll see what happens, maybe Sturridge will make a big difference, maybe we'll get our shit together. It feels like it could just as easily go the other way, we're that brittle confidence wise. But he's right about backing the manager, bringing in new staff and then sacking after 2 defeats.
They will think about their investment first. Missing out again on a CL place is simply not an option. It cost to much money. If changing a manager early in the season would help us to get a CL place then they will do it without any doubt at all.
Norwich and Aston Villa won't be easier games than West Ham. If we play like we did the last two games then we will be lucky to even win one of them. Every team in the league know how to play against us. We won't surprise them. We are one of the worst teams in the league. We won't suddenly start to play much better, not a chance.
We are only a company for them, not a club. They bought us to earn money and make a profit. They won't care at all if it is only after five games. They can't afford to think that way.
Why go to those extremes? It doesn't have to be a case of sacking someone after 5 games or holding onto them till they've already set you back.
We've been keeping managers for a season or two too long for years now. It doesn't make us "good" or better than anyone else, it just damages us. If that's "The Liverpool Way" then we need to find a new one.
I think we'll keep Rodgers till the end of the season barring a disastrous run. I hope for our sakes (don't really care about him) that he succeeds but if things continue as they are, we need to get rid and pronto.
How do we make the biggest profit? That is how they run the club. If someone isn't doing a good job and by that way they lose money then they will sack or sell him/her.
Profit is the key word. Sacking a manager early in the season could also show strenght. That they have the balls to do it. That they have the balls to correct a mistake. Keeping a manager to long time could show a weakness. That they don't want to be seen making mistakes and are to stubborn.
Profit is the key word. Sacking a manager early in the season could also show strenght. That they have the balls to do it. That they have the balls to correct a mistake. Keeping a manager to long time could show a weakness. That they don't want to be seen making mistakes and are to stubborn.
You are dead wrong about the axing after 5 games. Absolute nonsense. You are also wrong about us being "one of the worst teams in the league". That is just ridiculous. You need a vacation from SCM if you sit here and power wank like that.
We will get at least 4 points from Norwich and Villa. Not that it changes the wider perspective.
We need to build and grow the gate from 41 to 80 mill and expand our economy so we are ready to really compete on Salaries in about 18 maybe 2020. That is the reality of it. Mark threw up a list of what our players have actually won and it says all. We are miles behind the others in terms of salaries and that's all that matters. You want the big players you pay the big salaries. We cant.
Forget about the 7th most expensive squad in the world. Look at what we are getting for that money because we can't back it on a weekly basis. Look at City.
Forget about FSGs motive. They are building and that is all that matters. Of course they are around to make money - they all are ffs.
For those of us who have been around to remember the glory days 4 years is nothing. No fucking problem.
Get in the chopper and see the big picture and forget the kneejerk - And it is fucking kneejerk.
'The Liverpool Way' is arguably what has held this club back over the years..
We need to find a new way... The club has always failed to move with the times..
The Game is about money so how on earth did FSG think bringing in a manager with no experience at the highest level is going to be able to compete in this League on a consistent basis.
Like I said the game is about Money, those who have the most tend to be the most successful. So if you want to compete bring in a Manager and his minions that have that experience at the highest level, not a chancer. .
We need to find a new way... The club has always failed to move with the times..
The Game is about money so how on earth did FSG think bringing in a manager with no experience at the highest level is going to be able to compete in this League on a consistent basis.
Like I said the game is about Money, those who have the most tend to be the most successful. So if you want to compete bring in a Manager and his minions that have that experience at the highest level, not a chancer. .
Name Barcelona's last five managers. Which of them fit your criteria?
For me The Liverpool Way is a standard. It's in the way you conduct yourself.
If you make a decision you stand by it. If you, during that period, decide that you made an error you fix it when the time is right.
Directly translated to our situation we could have chosen to fire Rodgers this summer. This is the discussion you guys are having and the point you are trying to convey. At least it should be. I would have liked that very much but it didnt happen. We stuck with old yellow. They must think he still has something to offer.
This is where the "class is permanent" thing enters. Once you made a decision to back Rodgers you don't panic and fire him at this stage. That is just stupid and wrong on all levels. There is NOT A SINGLE POSTER HERE with a brain who would argue with that - not if they where sober anyway and perhaps that is the problem?
The fact that you think the philosophy - The Liverpool Way - is getting in the way of things leads me to believe that you don't understand what is entails. It's the very fabric that made us great in the first place. You can be hardcore and still have class. You can make the hard decisions about money and players and still have class.
We don't need to find a "new way" ~We need to get back to the old and we should start right here where we can make a difference.
Yes. And one important part of the Liverpool Way was the fixation on finishing the job before talking. Ask Shanks, Paisley, Fagan or Kenny about how the team was doing during the season and you'd just get the non-nonsense 'take each game as it comes'/'we've won nothing yet' response and that was it. Brendan needs to learn that pronto - you just know, if it begins to click again, he'll be sorely tempted to hold an informal seminar on how he achieved it. It's a mentality thing: he has to keep the expansive chats for after he's won something.
In a league where only two teams usually ever win the title and they have the finacial backing..
The Premier League is much different far more competitive..
We don't have the finacial footing.. so we are at a disadvantage straight away.
Why experience in this League counts. Not one in-experienced manager in the premier league era has ever made it, since money has been the be all and end all
Closest was BR.. and soon as Europe came calling, he was found out.
Moyes for both Everton and Utd the same...
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