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Arn said:
They will think about their investment first. Missing out again on a CL place is simply not an option. It cost to much money. If changing a manager early in the season would help us to get a CL place then they will do it without any doubt at all.
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What rubbish. Missing out on a CL place is and was always an option this season, we finished 6th last season and the teams in the Top 4 are demonstrably stronger. I don't believe for one moment that FSG said " Top 4 or you're on your way". Progress is what they want to see and if that is demonstrated then Rodgers will be given more time. At the moment though he is a million miles away from that and if it continues then of course he will be sacked. Whether that is January or next Summer will depend on how we perform up to January.
 
RedNinja said:
In a league where only two teams usually ever win the title and they have the finacial backing..

The Premier League is much different far more competitive..

We don't have the finacial footing.. so we are at a disadvantage straight away.

Why experience in this League counts. Not one in-experienced manager in the premier league era has ever made it, since money has been the be all and end all

Closest was BR.. and soon as Europe came calling, he was found out.

Moyes for both Everton and Utd the same...
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Not one experienced manager has won the league without huge money
 
The Premier league isn't far more competitive either.
It's Chelsea or City basically.
Atletico won La Liga two seasons just 15 months ago and Sevilla and Valencia would probably comfortably finish in our top 4 at present.
It really doesn't matter how many times we change manager because the club needs a massive overhaul starting from the very top.
 
Rosco said:
Not one experienced manager has won the league without huge money
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So an inexperienced manage would... With huge money. . ??

We can't compete finacially so experience would help.. You any have to look at the mess we have made in the transfer market to see that.

We lack experience from the ground up. For a club of this size, it's really quite shocking...
 
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RedNinja said:
So an inexperienced manage would... With huge money. . ??

We can't compete finacially so experience would help.. You any have to look at the mess we have made in the transfer market to see that.

We lack experience from the ground up. For a club of this size, it's really quite shocking...
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You're missing the point. Even though made it in your own post a few minutes previous.

Money is the most important factor. The level of experience of the manager is irrelevant.
 
Wiberg said:
You are dead wrong about the axing after 5 games. Absolute nonsense. You are also wrong about us being "one of the worst teams in the league". That is just ridiculous. You need a vacation from SCM if you sit here and power wank like that.

We will get at least 4 points from Norwich and Villa. Not that it changes the wider perspective.

We need to build and grow the gate from 41 to 80 mill and expand our economy so we are ready to really compete on Salaries in about 18 maybe 2020. That is the reality of it. Mark threw up a list of what our players have actually won and it says all. We are miles behind the others in terms of salaries and that's all that matters. You want the big players you pay the big salaries. We cant.

Forget about the 7th most expensive squad in the world. Look at what we are getting for that money because we can't back it on a weekly basis. Look at City.

Forget about FSGs motive. They are building and that is all that matters. Of course they are around to make money - they all are ffs.

For those of us who have been around to remember the glory days 4 years is nothing. No fucking problem.

Get in the chopper and see the big picture and forget the kneejerk - And it is fucking kneejerk.
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If you can repeat yourself, mate, so can I, and it's way past time you got over yourself. I was around during the glory years too - all of them, as I became a supporter at the same Shanks joined the club when we weren't even in the top division - and I for one am not going to take any lectures from you about the Liverpool Way.

"4 years is nothing"? Nonsense. It's 4 *more* years on top of a couple of decades, it's more than enough time for Rodgers to show he's up to the job and the gutlessness and confusion of the side both last season and this season make it clear, to those prepared to face facts anyway, that we're still far behind where we should be. After all this time that's no blip, it's a clear failure and postponing a solution just for appearance's sake will make things worse, not better.
 
Judge Jules said:
If you can repeat yourself, mate, so can I, and it's way past time you got over yourself. I was around during the glory years too - all of them, as I became a supporter at the same Shanks joined the club when we weren't even in the top division - and I for one am not going to take any lectures from you about the Liverpool Way.

"4 years is nothing"? Nonsense. It's 4 *more* years on top of a couple of decades, it's more than enough time for Rodgers to show he's up to the job and the gutlessness and confusion of the side both last season and this season make it clear, to those prepared to face facts anyway, that we're still far behind where we should be. After all this time that's no blip, it's a clear failure and postponing a solution just for appearance's sake will make things worse, not better.
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4 years is what is to be expected, isn't it?

Why not take note of the entire post instead of the history lesson? We missed the bus in the early 90's and have been paying for it ever since. Not getting the stadium and living in the past will do that to a club.

Fine - so you would sack him now? That's what you are saying? It's easy to pull this out of context - isn't it???
 
What have FSG done wrong? In terms of net transfer spend we're the fourth largest in the premier league. We outspend Arsenal and Tottenham regularly.
I don't think Rogers has the confidence of the players and is running out of ideas. He wants the players to play a high pressing game, but they don't or can't.
With out Suarez, his style of play does not work. Lets be honest and say Suarez carried us and almost won us a title. Barcelona are much more balanced because of Suarez.
If he looses the game tomorrow it may be curtains.
If Klopp does come, it will take time to get players to play to his style and undoubtedly out injury list will grow,
 
keniget said:
He already said that if the right person was available to take over then he would.
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The right person being Kloop???

I didn't read that tbh. That's not the Jules I know and if that's true I find it very disappointing. I respect Jules opinions and posts a lot but I couldn't disagree more in this situation.
 
Wiberg said:
Fine - so you would sack him now? That's what you are saying? It's easy to pull this out of context - isn't it???
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If, as has been suggested, Klopp (whom I suspect FSG have their eye on) would be willing to cut his break from football short to take the Liverpool job then yes, if I were making the decision Rodgers would be gone. If Klopp wanted to wait until January as originally reported, I'd dump Rodgers at Christmas. If my first preference, Ancelotti, were willing to come next summer my preference instead would be to find a good caretaker meanwhile, and again in that event Rodgers would be gone. If there weren't a caretaker of the right standard available I would VERY reluctantly keep him till next summer. If he were to go now, I'd be willing to ride out any media kerfuffle (which would be short-lived anyway) since, as I've said before, IMO it's way more important to address the problem than to worry about how things look.
 
Wiberg said:
The right person being Kloop???

I didn't read that tbh. That's not the Jules I know and if that's true I find it very disappointing. I respect Jules opinions and posts a lot but I couldn't disagree more in this situation.
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It's not an ideal situation whichever way you slice it. For me, though, the way to decide how to deal with it is to ask what would damage the club more. I now believe the answer to that is keeping Rodgers on as manager. You clearly take a different view, based (as far as I can tell) more on the appearance of things than on anything else. I respect that view but, as you say, I couldn't disagree more.
 
ILD said:
Yet Klopp is your man to replace him who has no premier league experience?
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You misread what I meant. . He is experienced at the highest level and is a winner... That is important.

More so he has managed to win things in a limited budget..
 
I was all for Klopp in the summer. I had no problem with the trade up. I presumed we initially cleared the coaching staff to make room for Klopp but Rodgers remained manager. I presume this is because Klopp didn't agree to join us, or that FSG haven't even sounded him out. All we know is he left Dortmund and his agent hinted at things in the paper. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
Also, just because Klopp had a great record unearthing players at Dortmund doesn't mean it will transfer seamlessly across to us if he comes. Obviously I hope it does but we have to consider that he might be working under different budgetary constraints and be asked to attract a different profile of a player.

Pellegrini was admired for his ability to keep Villareal competitive whilst operating on a tight budget. He moved to City but the playing fields changed. He didn't unearth unknown stars for them, he shopped in different markets and lavishly spent money. Now we don't have City's spending power but it's all relative.
 
Well, Klopp would be coming into a situation a good deal closer to what he was used to at Dortmund than Pellegrini did when he moved to Citeh. I do agree though that there's always a risk in changing the manager, whatever the circs.and whomever you bring in, and FWIW I've already said on here that I'd prefer Ancelotti anyway. Klopp would be OK as second choice for me though, and I believe the greatest risk would be to do nothing.
 
Yep, I agree the circumstances are a lot closer than Pelligrini to City. I just wouldn't presume it's a given that Klopp will come here and unearth stars for us for peanuts. People are factoring that in and citing his ability to build teams as a major bonus point. But that's all it is, a bonus point. I'd rather know if his tactics suit our current players at the moment because we've already invested in a new striker and some attacking midfielders. It made way more sense to get Klopp in the summer before we spent our money if he was our target. As I said earlier, I can only assume he either wasn't ready/interested or we didn't contact him.

It will only be a matter of time before we have headlines telling us that Klopp will bring Marco Reus with him to Anfield. Once again, another thing I would obviously like but can't overly see happening.
 
It's not really an "axing after 5 games". This run of terrible form has gone on since losing to the scum back in March. We've accumulated a pathetic 15 points out of a posible 42 in our last 14 league games. 31 in the 14 games prior to that, including the loss to the scum at their turf, that had Rodgers crowing about his 3-4-3. He also managed 20 points out of 45 from the first 15 of last season.

So no, if we were to axe him, it wouldn't be because he performed poorly in our 5 games this season. It'd be on the basis of the meagre 66 points he's managed to obtain from a maximum of 129 most recently on offer, even after taking into account that purple patch in the middle of last season.
 
My biggest concern (based only on skim reading) is that I think @Wiberg makes sense & is a voice of reason in a wilderness. But he appears to have upset @Judge Jules and thats a bad thing.

I need a drink or seven to get my thoughts straight
 
Ha. I rate Wiberg as a poster and most of what he's said hasn't upset me (I did somewhat resent the finger-wagging about the glory years, but even there I'm sure it was well intentioned) and I can understand the reluctance to make a change so soon after the decision to back Rodgers - again - in the market. I disagree with him, and apparently with you, over whether the timing rules out a change though, for the reasons very well set out in I_rushie's post just above yours. For sure changing the manager now is the lesser of two evils rather than an ideal option, but I'm now persuaded that it *is* the lesser evil.
 
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