Rage's managerial teamtalk for Sunday
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You're really desperately trying to deflect attention from the hopelessness of your own position. Most of us on here respond to poor play by looking at it carefully and treating it in its context, sometimes criticising the player, sometimes the manager's tactics and sometimes a combination of the two (or we might just accept that the other side forced the errors). What you do, on the other hand, is to simply blame everything, every time, in every instance, on the manager, and accuse anyone who fails to agree with you as Rafa lovers. It's childish, it's stupid, it suggests you don't understand the game of football and, perhaps worst of all, it serves absolutely no constructive purpose. So, once again, come on: either start acting sensibly or defend your mad rants by showing how you, unlike the rest of us, think you can actually advise a Premiership manager to improve the way he does his job. And that doesn't mean simply list a set of platitudes as profundities.
P.S. Just so you know: I regard anyone who spells 'you' as 'u' as not only an idiot but a lazy idiot.
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A childish lazy idiot.
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hahaha. u pair of thick cunts, attacking my grammar when u struggle to find fault with what i said.
he may be a premiership manager but unless he wins the league he'll be an ex premiership manager sooner or later and will be looked back upon as a failed premiership manager.
at least i have the balls to have an opinion. u two, if rafa jumped out of a window would happily follow him.
we'll see how rafa sets up on sunday and i have no doubt you will see an attempt of some of what i described.
now go moisturise each other with your tag team bollocks
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Seeing as you go to the game loads, you can join us in The Harry and regale us of your "rafa's a cunt" stories. Bet you don't. You're a WUM.
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A successful one, judging by your reaction.
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I'm perfectly clam mate.
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Don't be shuch a shellfish bashtard.
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hehehe
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You're really desperately trying to deflect attention from the hopelessness of your own position. Most of us on here respond to poor play by looking at it carefully and treating it in its context, sometimes criticising the player, sometimes the manager's tactics and sometimes a combination of the two (or we might just accept that the other side forced the errors). What you do, on the other hand, is to simply blame everything, every time, in every instance, on the manager, and accuse anyone who fails to agree with you as Rafa lovers. It's childish, it's stupid, it suggests you don't understand the game of football and, perhaps worst of all, it serves absolutely no constructive purpose. So, once again, come on: either start acting sensibly or defend your mad rants by showing how you, unlike the rest of us, think you can actually advise a Premiership manager to improve the way he does his job. And that doesn't mean simply list a set of platitudes as profundities.
P.S. Just so you know: I regard anyone who spells 'you' as 'u' as not only an idiot but a lazy idiot.
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A childish lazy idiot.
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hahaha. u pair of thick cunts, attacking my grammar when u struggle to find fault with what i said.
he may be a premiership manager but unless he wins the league he'll be an ex premiership manager sooner or later and will be looked back upon as a failed premiership manager.
at least i have the balls to have an opinion. u two, if rafa jumped out of a window would happily follow him.
we'll see how rafa sets up on sunday and i have no doubt you will see an attempt of some of what i described.
now go moisturise each other with your tag team bollocks
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Seeing as you go to the game loads, you can join us in The Harry and regale us of your "rafa's a cunt" stories. Bet you don't. You're a WUM.
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A successful one, judging by your reaction.
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I'm perfectly clam mate.
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Don't be shuch a shellfish bashtard.
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hehehe
I really can't believe some of Rage's responses. He's made me clam up.
I was at the Harry last Saturday and genuinely amazed by the number of attractive women stood outside it.
*Snatches Season Ticket back*
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I was at the Harry last Saturday and genuinely amazed by the number of attractive women stood outside it.
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Were they from Hull ? 😉
I was at the Harry last Saturday and genuinely amazed by the number of attractive women stood outside it.
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Were they from Hull ? 😉
There was one stunning barmaid there when I went.
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providing my team plays i suggest the following
chelsea from what i've seen of them are having difficulty breaking down teams. the longer this game stays nil nil the more likely they will be to push forward and leave gaps (especially at full back). tactic 1 - we should play a composed and defensively sound game.
where teams have dropped too deep chelsea have eventually found a way through. tactic 2 - we should maintain as much posession as possible, not give the ball away by hoofing it up the pitch and try not to defend too deep. agger can help here by bringing the ball out then we have an additional player in midfield that he can pass to.
drogba is a threat - agger should man mark the fucker and masch should be there to provide support, especially when drogba is knocking the ball down or trying to bring the ball under control. we should not have both centre backs ever being drawn towards drogba who will then nod it on to anelka to score. tactic 3 - nullify the chelsea over reliance on drogba
gerrard should wherever possible provide masch with support in central midfield and look to play the ball to riera or kuyt. when we have the ball in these positions aurelio and johnson should maximise the opportunity to overlap and build attacks. tactic 4 - wherever possible build attacks through making full use of our full backs and ensure that riera and kuyt are tasked with being offensive rather than just providing defensive cover.
yossi should play in the hole and try and get space, he should use his cleverness and trick of feet to go past players and play torres in wherever possible. sometimes torres will be double man marked and this will allow yossi to exploit the space. tactic 5 try to get the ball to yossi in the attacking 1/3 of the pitch and bring him into the game. this will also stop torres from being completely isolated upfront.
the midweek game showed how a team should harry and push the opposition. we haven't been doing much of this lately. i recall games last season where we never let the opposition settle - tactic 6 close down the opposition players, gerrard, masch, riera and kuyt especially should do this. yossi and torres should pressure the centre backs and keeper wherever possible.
along with this my team talk as i suggested earlier would involve telling carra in no uncertain terms to stop thinking he's a one man defence. i'd also re-emphasis how we can successfully zonal mark and ensure that we also have players on the line.
if things start to go wrong babel would get as much time as possible and if necessary i would go 3 at the back bringing the greek lad on and push forward aurelio and johnson. we shouldn't be afraid to change it.
if we get an early goal i would still like us to stick to this game plan rather than dropping off. if we give them space they have players that can make clever runs that will hurt us.
oh and expect drogba to roll around on the floor, ignore it!
this is the ideal sort of game for rafa where the emphasis is on nullifying the strengths of the opposition and then hitting them hard and fast.
if that cunt lucas plays forget it. the only people who are happy to see lucas play in a game like this are the wannabe bully boy rafa cocks suckers that are lining up on here.
now what of this does anyone disagree with?
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Well, you did try so fair play to you for that alone. Let's be honest, mnost of what you've compiled is cliched nonsesnse, and would struggle to impress or inspire a bunch of Under-12's down at the local park, but in fairness you've gone to more effort than the usual "We need to play Yossi!" or "Drop Lucas, he's shit" comments we get from 90% of the Forum.
You're a cunt, but at least you've made a cunting effort is what I'm saying.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
This game becomes markedly more different to predict, prepare for, and analyse now that Chelsea have finally been beaten in the League. Wigan exposed them, opened up the weaknesses for all to see, and in beating Chelsea have irrevocably changed how the Chavs will approach Sunday's game and what we can subsequently do to beat them.
Wigan, like other sides, invited them onto them hoping they could repel most attacks through getting numbers in front of the box, affording them space out wide, and playing deep deep deep. Hardly nouveau tactics I know. It worked to an extent, they'd have been gutted that Chelsea dominated as much as they did from set-pieces.
That tactic of negating works to a point. You'll scrape a draw if you're lucky. You've got to have good tactics, and pacey clever players if you want to hurt them the other way though. Wigan have a tacitically sound Manager, and one or two of the afore-mentioned players. Everytime they won the ball back they attacked the flanks - where the space was, and the trouble wasn't. You could theoretically go at them down the middle (which we tend to do when we break from corners through Gerrard, Benayoun and Torres) but two things Chelsea do well will stops this:
1 - Stick players there - Usually Carvalho, Mikel, and for the most part - Terry
2 - Foul.
They always foul, Carvalho in particular. It stops fucking everything, and they rarely get booked (There aren't too many refs who like having Terry, Drogba, and every other cunt hanging off them everytime a free-kick's given).
While we're on that theme - it's worth pointing out that this is an area we need to improve upon. On Tuesday night, at half-time we'd given away three free kicks in our own half in total. Which coincidentally, is totally inadequate if you're getting overun like we were. I daresay if Masher had been playing that stat would have been upped, and we'd have benefited from it. Lucas is too inexperienced, Aurelio too slow. We've got to learn to stem the flow when we don't have the ball.
Anyway, back to Chelsea. So Wigan went at them down the flanks, particularly Chelsea's left-side, every fucking time through the pace of N'Zogbia, and goals came from it. Given how Chelsea's midfielders, Malouda aside, all like to tuck in, there is space to overload the full-backs. Pumping the ball into the corners isn't the way to do it, charging at them down the flank is - on both sides. This is why Riera will play. Cole was visably frustrated three-quarters of the way through last Saturday's game at both the lack of support form teammates, and the constant back-and-forth running. We will almost certainly see attacks in numbers down the flanks from Gerrard, Kuyt and Riera.
Defensively too, Riera offers a lot. He's super back up for Aurelio/Insua, and making sure we're giving Bosingwa something to think about defensively is improtant - Anything we can do to stop him crossing the halfway line is massive. Benayoun's wonderful when we have the ball, and whilst you've gotta admire his guts in trying to make something happen all over the pitch on Tuesday - far too often he left the inexperienced Insua exposed. It goes witout saying that Dirk's vital on the right-flank, obviously.
As for the rest of it - Well I'd be stunned if Agger started. Chelsea, if you've bothered watching them this season, put lots and LOTS of crosses and high-balls into the box. The reason it's been more successful for them this season is that Ancelotti's gone with two up top, thereby taking the onus off Drogba to do everything. Malouda, Anelka, Lampard and Ballack work off Drogba. Skrtel will play, and will go to Drogba.
We've scored against Chelsea when we've worked around Mikel. He's not good or clever enough to stop Gerrard. I'm sure they won't leave him as isolated as they have done against us in previous seasons (expect Mikel to play deeper and closer to Carvalho), but this is where Rafa might be hoping we get to the 60th/70th minute still in the game, and he can introduce Benayoun. Torres' goal in the Champions League at the Bridge came as a result of Yossi being introduced late on, and having the creativity and imagination to drift into exposed spaces. Again, I'd be stunned if this isn't how Rafa uses him come Sunday. Taking the onus off Lucas form a defensive stance is important, not just because he's nt great at it, but because better teams worry about him less - hence the relative success he's had against the likes of Arsenal and United in the past. He's capable of picking out a pass or run in these games, is a touch more experienced, and can benefit from the pressure that'll be exerted on our better players from the get-go.
And finally, set-pieces. Chelsea are good at them, we aren't. I don't expect us to swing balls into the box because Chelsea will back themselves to win most of those encounters and rightly so. I do expect us to come up with something imaginative - we've history of doing this against them - and trying to conjure something we've not done before.
My worry is defending them, and Chelsea will pounce on this. I'll be impressed if we can make it through 90 mins on Sunday without them really threatening us from a set-piece.
Gonna be a fascinating tactical battle, if we concede early we're fucked. We're a great last 30 minute team, let's hope we reach that period still in with a shout.
providing my team plays i suggest the following
chelsea from what i've seen of them are having difficulty breaking down teams. the longer this game stays nil nil the more likely they will be to push forward and leave gaps (especially at full back). tactic 1 - we should play a composed and defensively sound game.
where teams have dropped too deep chelsea have eventually found a way through. tactic 2 - we should maintain as much posession as possible, not give the ball away by hoofing it up the pitch and try not to defend too deep. agger can help here by bringing the ball out then we have an additional player in midfield that he can pass to.
drogba is a threat - agger should man mark the fucker and masch should be there to provide support, especially when drogba is knocking the ball down or trying to bring the ball under control. we should not have both centre backs ever being drawn towards drogba who will then nod it on to anelka to score. tactic 3 - nullify the chelsea over reliance on drogba
gerrard should wherever possible provide masch with support in central midfield and look to play the ball to riera or kuyt. when we have the ball in these positions aurelio and johnson should maximise the opportunity to overlap and build attacks. tactic 4 - wherever possible build attacks through making full use of our full backs and ensure that riera and kuyt are tasked with being offensive rather than just providing defensive cover.
yossi should play in the hole and try and get space, he should use his cleverness and trick of feet to go past players and play torres in wherever possible. sometimes torres will be double man marked and this will allow yossi to exploit the space. tactic 5 try to get the ball to yossi in the attacking 1/3 of the pitch and bring him into the game. this will also stop torres from being completely isolated upfront.
the midweek game showed how a team should harry and push the opposition. we haven't been doing much of this lately. i recall games last season where we never let the opposition settle - tactic 6 close down the opposition players, gerrard, masch, riera and kuyt especially should do this. yossi and torres should pressure the centre backs and keeper wherever possible.
along with this my team talk as i suggested earlier would involve telling carra in no uncertain terms to stop thinking he's a one man defence. i'd also re-emphasis how we can successfully zonal mark and ensure that we also have players on the line.
if things start to go wrong babel would get as much time as possible and if necessary i would go 3 at the back bringing the greek lad on and push forward aurelio and johnson. we shouldn't be afraid to change it.
if we get an early goal i would still like us to stick to this game plan rather than dropping off. if we give them space they have players that can make clever runs that will hurt us.
oh and expect drogba to roll around on the floor, ignore it!
this is the ideal sort of game for rafa where the emphasis is on nullifying the strengths of the opposition and then hitting them hard and fast.
if that cunt lucas plays forget it. the only people who are happy to see lucas play in a game like this are the wannabe bully boy rafa cocks suckers that are lining up on here.
now what of this does anyone disagree with?
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Well, you did try so fair play to you for that alone. Let's be honest, mnost of what you've compiled is cliched nonsesnse, and would struggle to impress or inspire a bunch of Under-12's down at the local park, but in fairness you've gone to more effort than the usual "We need to play Yossi!" or "Drop Lucas, he's shit" comments we get from 90% of the Forum.
You're a cunt, but at least you've made a cunting effort is what I'm saying.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
This game becomes markedly more different to predict, prepare for, and analyse now that Chelsea have finally been beaten in the League. Wigan exposed them, opened up the weaknesses for all to see, and in beating Chelsea have irrevocably changed how the Chavs will approach Sunday's game and what we can subsequently do to beat them.
Wigan, like other sides, invited them onto them hoping they could repel most attacks through getting numbers in front of the box, affording them space out wide, and playing deep deep deep. Hardly nouveau tactics I know. It worked to an extent, they'd have been gutted that Chelsea dominated as much as they did from set-pieces.
That tactic of negating works to a point. You'll scrape a draw if you're lucky. You've got to have good tactics, and pacey clever players if you want to hurt them the other way though. Wigan have a tacitically sound Manager, and one or two of the afore-mentioned players. Everytime they won the ball back they attacked the flanks - where the space was, and the trouble wasn't. You could theoretically go at them down the middle (which we tend to do when we break from corners through Gerrard, Benayoun and Torres) but two things Chelsea do well will stops this:
1 - Stick players there - Usually Carvalho, Mikel, and for the most part - Terry
2 - Foul.
They always foul, Carvalho in particular. It stops fucking everything, and they rarely get booked (There aren't too many refs who like having Terry, Drogba, and every other cunt hanging off them everytime a free-kick's given).
While we're on that theme - it's worth pointing out that this is an area we need to improve upon. On Tuesday night, at half-time we'd given away three free kicks in our own half in total. Which coincidentally, is totally inadequate if you're getting overun like we were. I daresay if Masher had been playing that stat would have been upped, and we'd have benefited from it. Lucas is too inexperienced, Aurelio too slow. We've got to learn to stem the flow when we don't have the ball.
Anyway, back to Chelsea. So Wigan went at them down the flanks, particularly Chelsea's left-side, every fucking time through the pace of N'Zogbia, and goals came from it. Given how Chelsea's midfielders, Malouda aside, all like to tuck in, there is space to overload the full-backs. Pumping the ball into the corners isn't the way to do it, charging at them down the flank is - on both sides. This is why Riera will play. Cole was visably frustrated three-quarters of the way through last Saturday's game at both the lack of support form teammates, and the constant back-and-forth running. We will almost certainly see attacks in numbers down the flanks from Gerrard, Kuyt and Riera.
Defensively too, Riera offers a lot. He's super back up for Aurelio/Insua, and making sure we're giving Bosingwa something to think about defensively is improtant - Anything we can do to stop him crossing the halfway line is massive. Benayoun's wonderful when we have the ball, and whilst you've gotta admire his guts in trying to make something happen all over the pitch on Tuesday - far too often he left the inexperienced Insua exposed. It goes witout saying that Dirk's vital on the right-flank, obviously.
As for the rest of it - Well I'd be stunned if Agger started. Chelsea, if you've bothered watching them this season, put lots and LOTS of crosses and high-balls into the box. The reason it's been more successful for them this season is that Ancelotti's gone with two up top, thereby taking the onus off Drogba to do everything. Malouda, Anelka, Lampard and Ballack work off Drogba. Skrtel will play, and will go to Drogba.
We've scored against Chelsea when we've worked around Mikel. He's not good or clever enough to stop Gerrard. I'm sure they won't leave him as isolated as they have done against us in previous seasons (expect Mikel to play deeper and closer to Carvalho), but this is where Rafa might be hoping we get to the 60th/70th minute still in the game, and he can introduce Benayoun. Torres' goal in the Champions League at the Bridge came as a result of Yossi being introduced late on, and having the creativity and imagination to drift into exposed spaces. Again, I'd be stunned if this isn't how Rafa uses him come Sunday. Taking the onus off Lucas form a defensive stance is important, not just because he's nt great at it, but because better teams worry about him less - hence the relative success he's had against the likes of Arsenal and United in the past. He's capable of picking out a pass or run in these games, is a touch more experienced, and can benefit from the pressure that'll be exerted on our better players from the get-go.
And finally, set-pieces. Chelsea are good at them, we aren't. I don't expect us to swing balls into the box because Chelsea will back themselves to win most of those encounters and rightly so. I do expect us to come up with something imaginative - we've history of doing this against them - and trying to conjure something we've not done before.
My worry is defending them, and Chelsea will pounce on this. I'll be impressed if we can make it through 90 mins on Sunday without them really threatening us from a set-piece.
Gonna be a fascinating tactical battle, if we concede early we're fucked. We're a great last 30 minute team, let's hope we reach that period still in with a shout.
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Your team is perfect but how would you approach the game?
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How is playing Agger, who doesn't have full match fitness and hasn't played a first team game in ages, a "perfect" decision?
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Football is all opinions.
And I think Drogba on current form would absolutely own Skittles or Carragher.
Agger after getting thought a footballing lesson by Drogba in his 1st game against him at Stamford bridge in the CL 1st leg came back and was man of the match in the 2nd game.
I think he could come in and do a job on Drogba.
Quite simple I think we are in big trouble with a pairing of Skittles and Carra unless you play Aurelio and relay on his pace to sweep behind the two.
I'm guessing you'd rather stick with what we have?
Don't forget Alonso came back in Europe away to Juve and had his best game in red after 3 months out. It can be done.
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I'm only catching this gem now.
You defy belief Dreamy.
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Your team is perfect but how would you approach the game?
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How is playing Agger, who doesn't have full match fitness and hasn't played a first team game in ages, a "perfect" decision?
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Football is all opinions.
And I think Drogba on current form would absolutely own Skittles or Carragher.
Agger after getting thought a footballing lesson by Drogba in his 1st game against him at Stamford bridge in the CL 1st leg came back and was man of the match in the 2nd game.
I think he could come in and do a job on Drogba.
Quite simple I think we are in big trouble with a pairing of Skittles and Carra unless you play Aurelio and relay on his pace to sweep behind the two.
I'm guessing you'd rather stick with what we have?
Don't forget Alonso came back in Europe away to Juve and had his best game in red after 3 months out. It can be done.
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I'm only catching this gem now.
You defy belief Dreamy.
Interesting read, Ryan, although your articulateness covers up the basic fact that your only real tactical suggestions are 1) foul more, and 2) attack them on the flanks. I would agree with the second, but strongly disagree with the first, as Chelsea are very strong from free-kicks - and our defence isn't.
I also disagree that if we concede first/early, we're fucked. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can see this game being a very open goalfest - more like our last CL meeting than most of the games that went before it. I've gone for 3-3 in the predictions league - same score as Istanbul. Though hopefully for our hearts we won't be three down at half-time...
I also disagree that if we concede first/early, we're fucked. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can see this game being a very open goalfest - more like our last CL meeting than most of the games that went before it. I've gone for 3-3 in the predictions league - same score as Istanbul. Though hopefully for our hearts we won't be three down at half-time...
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providing my team plays i suggest the following
chelsea from what i've seen of them are having difficulty breaking down teams. the longer this game stays nil nil the more likely they will be to push forward and leave gaps (especially at full back). tactic 1 - we should play a composed and defensively sound game.
where teams have dropped too deep chelsea have eventually found a way through. tactic 2 - we should maintain as much posession as possible, not give the ball away by hoofing it up the pitch and try not to defend too deep. agger can help here by bringing the ball out then we have an additional player in midfield that he can pass to.
drogba is a threat - agger should man mark the fucker and masch should be there to provide support, especially when drogba is knocking the ball down or trying to bring the ball under control. we should not have both centre backs ever being drawn towards drogba who will then nod it on to anelka to score. tactic 3 - nullify the chelsea over reliance on drogba
gerrard should wherever possible provide masch with support in central midfield and look to play the ball to riera or kuyt. when we have the ball in these positions aurelio and johnson should maximise the opportunity to overlap and build attacks. tactic 4 - wherever possible build attacks through making full use of our full backs and ensure that riera and kuyt are tasked with being offensive rather than just providing defensive cover.
yossi should play in the hole and try and get space, he should use his cleverness and trick of feet to go past players and play torres in wherever possible. sometimes torres will be double man marked and this will allow yossi to exploit the space. tactic 5 try to get the ball to yossi in the attacking 1/3 of the pitch and bring him into the game. this will also stop torres from being completely isolated upfront.
the midweek game showed how a team should harry and push the opposition. we haven't been doing much of this lately. i recall games last season where we never let the opposition settle - tactic 6 close down the opposition players, gerrard, masch, riera and kuyt especially should do this. yossi and torres should pressure the centre backs and keeper wherever possible.
along with this my team talk as i suggested earlier would involve telling carra in no uncertain terms to stop thinking he's a one man defence. i'd also re-emphasis how we can successfully zonal mark and ensure that we also have players on the line.
if things start to go wrong babel would get as much time as possible and if necessary i would go 3 at the back bringing the greek lad on and push forward aurelio and johnson. we shouldn't be afraid to change it.
if we get an early goal i would still like us to stick to this game plan rather than dropping off. if we give them space they have players that can make clever runs that will hurt us.
oh and expect drogba to roll around on the floor, ignore it!
this is the ideal sort of game for rafa where the emphasis is on nullifying the strengths of the opposition and then hitting them hard and fast.
if that cunt lucas plays forget it. the only people who are happy to see lucas play in a game like this are the wannabe bully boy rafa cocks suckers that are lining up on here.
now what of this does anyone disagree with?
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Well, you did try so fair play to you for that alone. Let's be honest, mnost of what you've compiled is cliched nonsesnse, and would struggle to impress or inspire a bunch of Under-12's down at the local park, but in fairness you've gone to more effort than the usual "We need to play Yossi!" or "Drop Lucas, he's shit" comments we get from 90% of the Forum.
You're a cunt, but at least you've made a cunting effort is what I'm saying.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
This game becomes markedly more different to predict, prepare for, and analyse now that Chelsea have finally been beaten in the League. Wigan exposed them, opened up the weaknesses for all to see, and in beating Chelsea have irrevocably changed how the Chavs will approach Sunday's game and what we can subsequently do to beat them.
Wigan, like other sides, invited them onto them hoping they could repel most attacks through getting numbers in front of the box, affording them space out wide, and playing deep deep deep. Hardly nouveau tactics I know. It worked to an extent, they'd have been gutted that Chelsea dominated as much as they did from set-pieces.
That tactic of negating works to a point. You'll scrape a draw if you're lucky. You've got to have good tactics, and pacey clever players if you want to hurt them the other way though. Wigan have a tacitically sound Manager, and one or two of the afore-mentioned players. Everytime they won the ball back they attacked the flanks - where the space was, and the trouble wasn't. You could theoretically go at them down the middle (which we tend to do when we break from corners through Gerrard, Benayoun and Torres) but two things Chelsea do well will stops this:
1 - Stick players there - Usually Carvalho, Mikel, and for the most part - Terry
2 - Foul.
They always foul, Carvalho in particular. It stops fucking everything, and they rarely get booked (There aren't too many refs who like having Terry, Drogba, and every other cunt hanging off them everytime a free-kick's given).
While we're on that theme - it's worth pointing out that this is an area we need to improve upon. On Tuesday night, at half-time we'd given away three free kicks in our own half in total. Which coincidentally, is totally inadequate if you're getting overun like we were. I daresay if Masher had been playing that stat would have been upped, and we'd have benefited from it. Lucas is too inexperienced, Aurelio too slow. We've got to learn to stem the flow when we don't have the ball.
Anyway, back to Chelsea. So Wigan went at them down the flanks, particularly Chelsea's left-side, every fucking time through the pace of N'Zogbia, and goals came from it. Given how Chelsea's midfielders, Malouda aside, all like to tuck in, there is space to overload the full-backs. Pumping the ball into the corners isn't the way to do it, charging at them down the flank is - on both sides. This is why Riera will play. Cole was visably frustrated three-quarters of the way through last Saturday's game at both the lack of support form teammates, and the constant back-and-forth running. We will almost certainly see attacks in numbers down the flanks from Gerrard, Kuyt and Riera.
Defensively too, Riera offers a lot. He's super back up for Aurelio/Insua, and making sure we're giving Bosingwa something to think about defensively is improtant - Anything we can do to stop him crossing the halfway line is massive. Benayoun's wonderful when we have the ball, and whilst you've gotta admire his guts in trying to make something happen all over the pitch on Tuesday - far too often he left the inexperienced Insua exposed. It goes witout saying that Dirk's vital on the right-flank, obviously.
As for the rest of it - Well I'd be stunned if Agger started. Chelsea, if you've bothered watching them this season, put lots and LOTS of crosses and high-balls into the box. The reason it's been more successful for them this season is that Ancelotti's gone with two up top, thereby taking the onus off Drogba to do everything. Malouda, Anelka, Lampard and Ballack work off Drogba. Skrtel will play, and will go to Drogba.
We've scored against Chelsea when we've worked around Mikel. He's not good or clever enough to stop Gerrard. I'm sure they won't leave him as isolated as they have done against us in previous seasons (expect Mikel to play deeper and closer to Carvalho), but this is where Rafa might be hoping we get to the 60th/70th minute still in the game, and he can introduce Benayoun. Torres' goal in the Champions League at the Bridge came as a result of Yossi being introduced late on, and having the creativity and imagination to drift into exposed spaces. Again, I'd be stunned if this isn't how Rafa uses him come Sunday. Taking the onus off Lucas form a defensive stance is important, not just because he's nt great at it, but because better teams worry about him less - hence the relative success he's had against the likes of Arsenal and United in the past. He's capable of picking out a pass or run in these games, is a touch more experienced, and can benefit from the pressure that'll be exerted on our better players from the get-go.
And finally, set-pieces. Chelsea are good at them, we aren't. I don't expect us to swing balls into the box because Chelsea will back themselves to win most of those encounters and rightly so. I do expect us to come up with something imaginative - we've history of doing this against them - and trying to conjure something we've not done before.
My worry is defending them, and Chelsea will pounce on this. I'll be impressed if we can make it through 90 mins on Sunday without them really threatening us from a set-piece.
Gonna be a fascinating tactical battle, if we concede early we're fucked. We're a great last 30 minute team, let's hope we reach that period still in with a shout.
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apart from the foul more, play that cunt lucas and if we concede first its all over bollocks i think you'll find much of what i said you've just re-created in your own words.
now seeing as rafa is too far from you i think you should go suck off a kangaroo. who the fuck advocates lucas to start? ffs
[quote author=rage link=topic=36184.msg955507#msg955507 date=1254412265]
providing my team plays i suggest the following
chelsea from what i've seen of them are having difficulty breaking down teams. the longer this game stays nil nil the more likely they will be to push forward and leave gaps (especially at full back). tactic 1 - we should play a composed and defensively sound game.
where teams have dropped too deep chelsea have eventually found a way through. tactic 2 - we should maintain as much posession as possible, not give the ball away by hoofing it up the pitch and try not to defend too deep. agger can help here by bringing the ball out then we have an additional player in midfield that he can pass to.
drogba is a threat - agger should man mark the fucker and masch should be there to provide support, especially when drogba is knocking the ball down or trying to bring the ball under control. we should not have both centre backs ever being drawn towards drogba who will then nod it on to anelka to score. tactic 3 - nullify the chelsea over reliance on drogba
gerrard should wherever possible provide masch with support in central midfield and look to play the ball to riera or kuyt. when we have the ball in these positions aurelio and johnson should maximise the opportunity to overlap and build attacks. tactic 4 - wherever possible build attacks through making full use of our full backs and ensure that riera and kuyt are tasked with being offensive rather than just providing defensive cover.
yossi should play in the hole and try and get space, he should use his cleverness and trick of feet to go past players and play torres in wherever possible. sometimes torres will be double man marked and this will allow yossi to exploit the space. tactic 5 try to get the ball to yossi in the attacking 1/3 of the pitch and bring him into the game. this will also stop torres from being completely isolated upfront.
the midweek game showed how a team should harry and push the opposition. we haven't been doing much of this lately. i recall games last season where we never let the opposition settle - tactic 6 close down the opposition players, gerrard, masch, riera and kuyt especially should do this. yossi and torres should pressure the centre backs and keeper wherever possible.
along with this my team talk as i suggested earlier would involve telling carra in no uncertain terms to stop thinking he's a one man defence. i'd also re-emphasis how we can successfully zonal mark and ensure that we also have players on the line.
if things start to go wrong babel would get as much time as possible and if necessary i would go 3 at the back bringing the greek lad on and push forward aurelio and johnson. we shouldn't be afraid to change it.
if we get an early goal i would still like us to stick to this game plan rather than dropping off. if we give them space they have players that can make clever runs that will hurt us.
oh and expect drogba to roll around on the floor, ignore it!
this is the ideal sort of game for rafa where the emphasis is on nullifying the strengths of the opposition and then hitting them hard and fast.
if that cunt lucas plays forget it. the only people who are happy to see lucas play in a game like this are the wannabe bully boy rafa cocks suckers that are lining up on here.
now what of this does anyone disagree with?
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Well, you did try so fair play to you for that alone. Let's be honest, mnost of what you've compiled is cliched nonsesnse, and would struggle to impress or inspire a bunch of Under-12's down at the local park, but in fairness you've gone to more effort than the usual "We need to play Yossi!" or "Drop Lucas, he's shit" comments we get from 90% of the Forum.
You're a cunt, but at least you've made a cunting effort is what I'm saying.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
This game becomes markedly more different to predict, prepare for, and analyse now that Chelsea have finally been beaten in the League. Wigan exposed them, opened up the weaknesses for all to see, and in beating Chelsea have irrevocably changed how the Chavs will approach Sunday's game and what we can subsequently do to beat them.
Wigan, like other sides, invited them onto them hoping they could repel most attacks through getting numbers in front of the box, affording them space out wide, and playing deep deep deep. Hardly nouveau tactics I know. It worked to an extent, they'd have been gutted that Chelsea dominated as much as they did from set-pieces.
That tactic of negating works to a point. You'll scrape a draw if you're lucky. You've got to have good tactics, and pacey clever players if you want to hurt them the other way though. Wigan have a tacitically sound Manager, and one or two of the afore-mentioned players. Everytime they won the ball back they attacked the flanks - where the space was, and the trouble wasn't. You could theoretically go at them down the middle (which we tend to do when we break from corners through Gerrard, Benayoun and Torres) but two things Chelsea do well will stops this:
1 - Stick players there - Usually Carvalho, Mikel, and for the most part - Terry
2 - Foul.
They always foul, Carvalho in particular. It stops fucking everything, and they rarely get booked (There aren't too many refs who like having Terry, Drogba, and every other cunt hanging off them everytime a free-kick's given).
While we're on that theme - it's worth pointing out that this is an area we need to improve upon. On Tuesday night, at half-time we'd given away three free kicks in our own half in total. Which coincidentally, is totally inadequate if you're getting overun like we were. I daresay if Masher had been playing that stat would have been upped, and we'd have benefited from it. Lucas is too inexperienced, Aurelio too slow. We've got to learn to stem the flow when we don't have the ball.
Anyway, back to Chelsea. So Wigan went at them down the flanks, particularly Chelsea's left-side, every fucking time through the pace of N'Zogbia, and goals came from it. Given how Chelsea's midfielders, Malouda aside, all like to tuck in, there is space to overload the full-backs. Pumping the ball into the corners isn't the way to do it, charging at them down the flank is - on both sides. This is why Riera will play. Cole was visably frustrated three-quarters of the way through last Saturday's game at both the lack of support form teammates, and the constant back-and-forth running. We will almost certainly see attacks in numbers down the flanks from Gerrard, Kuyt and Riera.
Defensively too, Riera offers a lot. He's super back up for Aurelio/Insua, and making sure we're giving Bosingwa something to think about defensively is improtant - Anything we can do to stop him crossing the halfway line is massive. Benayoun's wonderful when we have the ball, and whilst you've gotta admire his guts in trying to make something happen all over the pitch on Tuesday - far too often he left the inexperienced Insua exposed. It goes witout saying that Dirk's vital on the right-flank, obviously.
As for the rest of it - Well I'd be stunned if Agger started. Chelsea, if you've bothered watching them this season, put lots and LOTS of crosses and high-balls into the box. The reason it's been more successful for them this season is that Ancelotti's gone with two up top, thereby taking the onus off Drogba to do everything. Malouda, Anelka, Lampard and Ballack work off Drogba. Skrtel will play, and will go to Drogba.
We've scored against Chelsea when we've worked around Mikel. He's not good or clever enough to stop Gerrard. I'm sure they won't leave him as isolated as they have done against us in previous seasons (expect Mikel to play deeper and closer to Carvalho), but this is where Rafa might be hoping we get to the 60th/70th minute still in the game, and he can introduce Benayoun. Torres' goal in the Champions League at the Bridge came as a result of Yossi being introduced late on, and having the creativity and imagination to drift into exposed spaces. Again, I'd be stunned if this isn't how Rafa uses him come Sunday. Taking the onus off Lucas form a defensive stance is important, not just because he's nt great at it, but because better teams worry about him less - hence the relative success he's had against the likes of Arsenal and United in the past. He's capable of picking out a pass or run in these games, is a touch more experienced, and can benefit from the pressure that'll be exerted on our better players from the get-go.
And finally, set-pieces. Chelsea are good at them, we aren't. I don't expect us to swing balls into the box because Chelsea will back themselves to win most of those encounters and rightly so. I do expect us to come up with something imaginative - we've history of doing this against them - and trying to conjure something we've not done before.
My worry is defending them, and Chelsea will pounce on this. I'll be impressed if we can make it through 90 mins on Sunday without them really threatening us from a set-piece.
Gonna be a fascinating tactical battle, if we concede early we're fucked. We're a great last 30 minute team, let's hope we reach that period still in with a shout.
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apart from the foul more, play that cunt lucas and if we concede first its all over bollocks i think you'll find much of what i said you've just re-created in your own words.
now seeing as rafa is too far from you i think you should go suck off a kangaroo. who the fuck advocates lucas to start? ffs
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=36184.msg955204#msg955204 date=1254389386]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36184.msg955097#msg955097 date=1254382876]
Rely on the pace of Aurelio to mop up for Carra and Skrtel.
VAULT NOW!
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Aurelio is much quicker than Imsua from the evidence I've seen,
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Would you class Aurelio as a pacey fullback?
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No but he is Quicker than Insua and Carragher from what I've seen this year. And with Johnson often caught up the field having him there would be the best option.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=36184.msg955204#msg955204 date=1254389386]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36184.msg955097#msg955097 date=1254382876]
Rely on the pace of Aurelio to mop up for Carra and Skrtel.
VAULT NOW!
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Aurelio is much quicker than Imsua from the evidence I've seen,
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Would you class Aurelio as a pacey fullback?
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No but he is Quicker than Insua and Carragher from what I've seen this year. And with Johnson often caught up the field having him there would be the best option.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36184.msg955743#msg955743 date=1254446758]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36184.msg955507#msg955507 date=1254412265]
providing my team plays i suggest the following
chelsea from what i've seen of them are having difficulty breaking down teams. the longer this game stays nil nil the more likely they will be to push forward and leave gaps (especially at full back). tactic 1 - we should play a composed and defensively sound game.
where teams have dropped too deep chelsea have eventually found a way through. tactic 2 - we should maintain as much posession as possible, not give the ball away by hoofing it up the pitch and try not to defend too deep. agger can help here by bringing the ball out then we have an additional player in midfield that he can pass to.
drogba is a threat - agger should man mark the fucker and masch should be there to provide support, especially when drogba is knocking the ball down or trying to bring the ball under control. we should not have both centre backs ever being drawn towards drogba who will then nod it on to anelka to score. tactic 3 - nullify the chelsea over reliance on drogba
gerrard should wherever possible provide masch with support in central midfield and look to play the ball to riera or kuyt. when we have the ball in these positions aurelio and johnson should maximise the opportunity to overlap and build attacks. tactic 4 - wherever possible build attacks through making full use of our full backs and ensure that riera and kuyt are tasked with being offensive rather than just providing defensive cover.
yossi should play in the hole and try and get space, he should use his cleverness and trick of feet to go past players and play torres in wherever possible. sometimes torres will be double man marked and this will allow yossi to exploit the space. tactic 5 try to get the ball to yossi in the attacking 1/3 of the pitch and bring him into the game. this will also stop torres from being completely isolated upfront.
the midweek game showed how a team should harry and push the opposition. we haven't been doing much of this lately. i recall games last season where we never let the opposition settle - tactic 6 close down the opposition players, gerrard, masch, riera and kuyt especially should do this. yossi and torres should pressure the centre backs and keeper wherever possible.
along with this my team talk as i suggested earlier would involve telling carra in no uncertain terms to stop thinking he's a one man defence. i'd also re-emphasis how we can successfully zonal mark and ensure that we also have players on the line.
if things start to go wrong babel would get as much time as possible and if necessary i would go 3 at the back bringing the greek lad on and push forward aurelio and johnson. we shouldn't be afraid to change it.
if we get an early goal i would still like us to stick to this game plan rather than dropping off. if we give them space they have players that can make clever runs that will hurt us.
oh and expect drogba to roll around on the floor, ignore it!
this is the ideal sort of game for rafa where the emphasis is on nullifying the strengths of the opposition and then hitting them hard and fast.
if that cunt lucas plays forget it. the only people who are happy to see lucas play in a game like this are the wannabe bully boy rafa cocks suckers that are lining up on here.
now what of this does anyone disagree with?
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Well, you did try so fair play to you for that alone. Let's be honest, mnost of what you've compiled is cliched nonsesnse, and would struggle to impress or inspire a bunch of Under-12's down at the local park, but in fairness you've gone to more effort than the usual "We need to play Yossi!" or "Drop Lucas, he's shit" comments we get from 90% of the Forum.
You're a cunt, but at least you've made a cunting effort is what I'm saying.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
This game becomes markedly more different to predict, prepare for, and analyse now that Chelsea have finally been beaten in the League. Wigan exposed them, opened up the weaknesses for all to see, and in beating Chelsea have irrevocably changed how the Chavs will approach Sunday's game and what we can subsequently do to beat them.
Wigan, like other sides, invited them onto them hoping they could repel most attacks through getting numbers in front of the box, affording them space out wide, and playing deep deep deep. Hardly nouveau tactics I know. It worked to an extent, they'd have been gutted that Chelsea dominated as much as they did from set-pieces.
That tactic of negating works to a point. You'll scrape a draw if you're lucky. You've got to have good tactics, and pacey clever players if you want to hurt them the other way though. Wigan have a tacitically sound Manager, and one or two of the afore-mentioned players. Everytime they won the ball back they attacked the flanks - where the space was, and the trouble wasn't. You could theoretically go at them down the middle (which we tend to do when we break from corners through Gerrard, Benayoun and Torres) but two things Chelsea do well will stops this:
1 - Stick players there - Usually Carvalho, Mikel, and for the most part - Terry
2 - Foul.
They always foul, Carvalho in particular. It stops fucking everything, and they rarely get booked (There aren't too many refs who like having Terry, Drogba, and every other cunt hanging off them everytime a free-kick's given).
While we're on that theme - it's worth pointing out that this is an area we need to improve upon. On Tuesday night, at half-time we'd given away three free kicks in our own half in total. Which coincidentally, is totally inadequate if you're getting overun like we were. I daresay if Masher had been playing that stat would have been upped, and we'd have benefited from it. Lucas is too inexperienced, Aurelio too slow. We've got to learn to stem the flow when we don't have the ball.
Anyway, back to Chelsea. So Wigan went at them down the flanks, particularly Chelsea's left-side, every fucking time through the pace of N'Zogbia, and goals came from it. Given how Chelsea's midfielders, Malouda aside, all like to tuck in, there is space to overload the full-backs. Pumping the ball into the corners isn't the way to do it, charging at them down the flank is - on both sides. This is why Riera will play. Cole was visably frustrated three-quarters of the way through last Saturday's game at both the lack of support form teammates, and the constant back-and-forth running. We will almost certainly see attacks in numbers down the flanks from Gerrard, Kuyt and Riera.
Defensively too, Riera offers a lot. He's super back up for Aurelio/Insua, and making sure we're giving Bosingwa something to think about defensively is improtant - Anything we can do to stop him crossing the halfway line is massive. Benayoun's wonderful when we have the ball, and whilst you've gotta admire his guts in trying to make something happen all over the pitch on Tuesday - far too often he left the inexperienced Insua exposed. It goes witout saying that Dirk's vital on the right-flank, obviously.
As for the rest of it - Well I'd be stunned if Agger started. Chelsea, if you've bothered watching them this season, put lots and LOTS of crosses and high-balls into the box. The reason it's been more successful for them this season is that Ancelotti's gone with two up top, thereby taking the onus off Drogba to do everything. Malouda, Anelka, Lampard and Ballack work off Drogba. Skrtel will play, and will go to Drogba.
We've scored against Chelsea when we've worked around Mikel. He's not good or clever enough to stop Gerrard. I'm sure they won't leave him as isolated as they have done against us in previous seasons (expect Mikel to play deeper and closer to Carvalho), but this is where Rafa might be hoping we get to the 60th/70th minute still in the game, and he can introduce Benayoun. Torres' goal in the Champions League at the Bridge came as a result of Yossi being introduced late on, and having the creativity and imagination to drift into exposed spaces. Again, I'd be stunned if this isn't how Rafa uses him come Sunday. Taking the onus off Lucas form a defensive stance is important, not just because he's nt great at it, but because better teams worry about him less - hence the relative success he's had against the likes of Arsenal and United in the past. He's capable of picking out a pass or run in these games, is a touch more experienced, and can benefit from the pressure that'll be exerted on our better players from the get-go.
And finally, set-pieces. Chelsea are good at them, we aren't. I don't expect us to swing balls into the box because Chelsea will back themselves to win most of those encounters and rightly so. I do expect us to come up with something imaginative - we've history of doing this against them - and trying to conjure something we've not done before.
My worry is defending them, and Chelsea will pounce on this. I'll be impressed if we can make it through 90 mins on Sunday without them really threatening us from a set-piece.
Gonna be a fascinating tactical battle, if we concede early we're fucked. We're a great last 30 minute team, let's hope we reach that period still in with a shout.
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apart from the foul more, play that cunt lucas and if we concede first its all over bollocks i think you'll find much of what i said you've just re-created in your own words.
now seeing as rafa is too far from you i think you should go suck off a kangaroo. who the fuck advocates lucas to start? ffs
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Dullard :🙂
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36184.msg955743#msg955743 date=1254446758]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36184.msg955507#msg955507 date=1254412265]
providing my team plays i suggest the following
chelsea from what i've seen of them are having difficulty breaking down teams. the longer this game stays nil nil the more likely they will be to push forward and leave gaps (especially at full back). tactic 1 - we should play a composed and defensively sound game.
where teams have dropped too deep chelsea have eventually found a way through. tactic 2 - we should maintain as much posession as possible, not give the ball away by hoofing it up the pitch and try not to defend too deep. agger can help here by bringing the ball out then we have an additional player in midfield that he can pass to.
drogba is a threat - agger should man mark the fucker and masch should be there to provide support, especially when drogba is knocking the ball down or trying to bring the ball under control. we should not have both centre backs ever being drawn towards drogba who will then nod it on to anelka to score. tactic 3 - nullify the chelsea over reliance on drogba
gerrard should wherever possible provide masch with support in central midfield and look to play the ball to riera or kuyt. when we have the ball in these positions aurelio and johnson should maximise the opportunity to overlap and build attacks. tactic 4 - wherever possible build attacks through making full use of our full backs and ensure that riera and kuyt are tasked with being offensive rather than just providing defensive cover.
yossi should play in the hole and try and get space, he should use his cleverness and trick of feet to go past players and play torres in wherever possible. sometimes torres will be double man marked and this will allow yossi to exploit the space. tactic 5 try to get the ball to yossi in the attacking 1/3 of the pitch and bring him into the game. this will also stop torres from being completely isolated upfront.
the midweek game showed how a team should harry and push the opposition. we haven't been doing much of this lately. i recall games last season where we never let the opposition settle - tactic 6 close down the opposition players, gerrard, masch, riera and kuyt especially should do this. yossi and torres should pressure the centre backs and keeper wherever possible.
along with this my team talk as i suggested earlier would involve telling carra in no uncertain terms to stop thinking he's a one man defence. i'd also re-emphasis how we can successfully zonal mark and ensure that we also have players on the line.
if things start to go wrong babel would get as much time as possible and if necessary i would go 3 at the back bringing the greek lad on and push forward aurelio and johnson. we shouldn't be afraid to change it.
if we get an early goal i would still like us to stick to this game plan rather than dropping off. if we give them space they have players that can make clever runs that will hurt us.
oh and expect drogba to roll around on the floor, ignore it!
this is the ideal sort of game for rafa where the emphasis is on nullifying the strengths of the opposition and then hitting them hard and fast.
if that cunt lucas plays forget it. the only people who are happy to see lucas play in a game like this are the wannabe bully boy rafa cocks suckers that are lining up on here.
now what of this does anyone disagree with?
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Well, you did try so fair play to you for that alone. Let's be honest, mnost of what you've compiled is cliched nonsesnse, and would struggle to impress or inspire a bunch of Under-12's down at the local park, but in fairness you've gone to more effort than the usual "We need to play Yossi!" or "Drop Lucas, he's shit" comments we get from 90% of the Forum.
You're a cunt, but at least you've made a cunting effort is what I'm saying.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
This game becomes markedly more different to predict, prepare for, and analyse now that Chelsea have finally been beaten in the League. Wigan exposed them, opened up the weaknesses for all to see, and in beating Chelsea have irrevocably changed how the Chavs will approach Sunday's game and what we can subsequently do to beat them.
Wigan, like other sides, invited them onto them hoping they could repel most attacks through getting numbers in front of the box, affording them space out wide, and playing deep deep deep. Hardly nouveau tactics I know. It worked to an extent, they'd have been gutted that Chelsea dominated as much as they did from set-pieces.
That tactic of negating works to a point. You'll scrape a draw if you're lucky. You've got to have good tactics, and pacey clever players if you want to hurt them the other way though. Wigan have a tacitically sound Manager, and one or two of the afore-mentioned players. Everytime they won the ball back they attacked the flanks - where the space was, and the trouble wasn't. You could theoretically go at them down the middle (which we tend to do when we break from corners through Gerrard, Benayoun and Torres) but two things Chelsea do well will stops this:
1 - Stick players there - Usually Carvalho, Mikel, and for the most part - Terry
2 - Foul.
They always foul, Carvalho in particular. It stops fucking everything, and they rarely get booked (There aren't too many refs who like having Terry, Drogba, and every other cunt hanging off them everytime a free-kick's given).
While we're on that theme - it's worth pointing out that this is an area we need to improve upon. On Tuesday night, at half-time we'd given away three free kicks in our own half in total. Which coincidentally, is totally inadequate if you're getting overun like we were. I daresay if Masher had been playing that stat would have been upped, and we'd have benefited from it. Lucas is too inexperienced, Aurelio too slow. We've got to learn to stem the flow when we don't have the ball.
Anyway, back to Chelsea. So Wigan went at them down the flanks, particularly Chelsea's left-side, every fucking time through the pace of N'Zogbia, and goals came from it. Given how Chelsea's midfielders, Malouda aside, all like to tuck in, there is space to overload the full-backs. Pumping the ball into the corners isn't the way to do it, charging at them down the flank is - on both sides. This is why Riera will play. Cole was visably frustrated three-quarters of the way through last Saturday's game at both the lack of support form teammates, and the constant back-and-forth running. We will almost certainly see attacks in numbers down the flanks from Gerrard, Kuyt and Riera.
Defensively too, Riera offers a lot. He's super back up for Aurelio/Insua, and making sure we're giving Bosingwa something to think about defensively is improtant - Anything we can do to stop him crossing the halfway line is massive. Benayoun's wonderful when we have the ball, and whilst you've gotta admire his guts in trying to make something happen all over the pitch on Tuesday - far too often he left the inexperienced Insua exposed. It goes witout saying that Dirk's vital on the right-flank, obviously.
As for the rest of it - Well I'd be stunned if Agger started. Chelsea, if you've bothered watching them this season, put lots and LOTS of crosses and high-balls into the box. The reason it's been more successful for them this season is that Ancelotti's gone with two up top, thereby taking the onus off Drogba to do everything. Malouda, Anelka, Lampard and Ballack work off Drogba. Skrtel will play, and will go to Drogba.
We've scored against Chelsea when we've worked around Mikel. He's not good or clever enough to stop Gerrard. I'm sure they won't leave him as isolated as they have done against us in previous seasons (expect Mikel to play deeper and closer to Carvalho), but this is where Rafa might be hoping we get to the 60th/70th minute still in the game, and he can introduce Benayoun. Torres' goal in the Champions League at the Bridge came as a result of Yossi being introduced late on, and having the creativity and imagination to drift into exposed spaces. Again, I'd be stunned if this isn't how Rafa uses him come Sunday. Taking the onus off Lucas form a defensive stance is important, not just because he's nt great at it, but because better teams worry about him less - hence the relative success he's had against the likes of Arsenal and United in the past. He's capable of picking out a pass or run in these games, is a touch more experienced, and can benefit from the pressure that'll be exerted on our better players from the get-go.
And finally, set-pieces. Chelsea are good at them, we aren't. I don't expect us to swing balls into the box because Chelsea will back themselves to win most of those encounters and rightly so. I do expect us to come up with something imaginative - we've history of doing this against them - and trying to conjure something we've not done before.
My worry is defending them, and Chelsea will pounce on this. I'll be impressed if we can make it through 90 mins on Sunday without them really threatening us from a set-piece.
Gonna be a fascinating tactical battle, if we concede early we're fucked. We're a great last 30 minute team, let's hope we reach that period still in with a shout.
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apart from the foul more, play that cunt lucas and if we concede first its all over bollocks i think you'll find much of what i said you've just re-created in your own words.
now seeing as rafa is too far from you i think you should go suck off a kangaroo. who the fuck advocates lucas to start? ffs
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Dullard :🙂
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36184.msg955687#msg955687 date=1254433606]
Does the Harry have ramps?
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Missed this the first time round. Hahahaha!
Does the Harry have ramps?
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Missed this the first time round. Hahahaha!
How does sucking off a Kangaroo help?
Doesn't seem like a legitimate part of a team talk to me.
These new tactics are confusing.
Doesn't seem like a legitimate part of a team talk to me.
These new tactics are confusing.
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=36184.msg955809#msg955809 date=1254469111]
How does sucking off a Kangaroo help?
Doesn't seem like a legitimate part of a team talk to me.
These new tactics are confusing.
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Maybe It would scare the players into winning? 'Look, hes just sucked off a kangaroo, theres no telling what hes capable of'. Stick that up your mind games Fergie.
How does sucking off a Kangaroo help?
Doesn't seem like a legitimate part of a team talk to me.
These new tactics are confusing.
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Maybe It would scare the players into winning? 'Look, hes just sucked off a kangaroo, theres no telling what hes capable of'. Stick that up your mind games Fergie.
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=36184.msg955816#msg955816 date=1254469779]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=36184.msg955809#msg955809 date=1254469111]
How does sucking off a Kangaroo help?
Doesn't seem like a legitimate part of a team talk to me.
These new tactics are confusing.
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Maybe It would scare the players into winning? 'Look, hes just sucked off a kangaroo, theres no telling what hes capable of'. Stick that up your mind games Fergie.
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Ha ha ha.
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=36184.msg955809#msg955809 date=1254469111]
How does sucking off a Kangaroo help?
Doesn't seem like a legitimate part of a team talk to me.
These new tactics are confusing.
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Maybe It would scare the players into winning? 'Look, hes just sucked off a kangaroo, theres no telling what hes capable of'. Stick that up your mind games Fergie.
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Ha ha ha.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36184.msg955743#msg955743 date=1254446758]
Well, you did try so fair play to you for that alone. [/quote]
What else could he have done, given this thread's 'put up or shut up' challenge? So fair play to me for making the idiot reveal how much of an idiot he is.
Well, you did try so fair play to you for that alone. [/quote]
What else could he have done, given this thread's 'put up or shut up' challenge? So fair play to me for making the idiot reveal how much of an idiot he is.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36184.msg955798#msg955798 date=1254467528]
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can see this game being a very open goalfest - more like our last CL meeting than most of the games that went before it. I've gone for 3-3 in the predictions league - same score as Istanbul. Though hopefully for our hearts we won't be three down at half-time...
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I'm not so sure about the 3-3 prediction, but i do think that the only way we can come away from SB with a positive result is in a high scoring game.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can see this game being a very open goalfest - more like our last CL meeting than most of the games that went before it. I've gone for 3-3 in the predictions league - same score as Istanbul. Though hopefully for our hearts we won't be three down at half-time...
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I'm not so sure about the 3-3 prediction, but i do think that the only way we can come away from SB with a positive result is in a high scoring game.
I have a feeling it'll be 0-0.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36184.msg955644#msg955644 date=1254427805]
1. This weird homophobic obsession you exhibit, rage: I suspect you're probably about 15 or 16, almost certainly a virgin and a bit unsure about your own sexuality. What you need to understand is that grown-ups aren't made insecure by this kind of name-calling. You just seem, well, pathetic. There is counselling available for your problem. Do seek it out, promptly, for the sake of those you encounter.
2. The notion that it takes 'balls' to have an opinion. Here's probably the root of your problem. It doesn't take 'balls' to have an opinion. Cowards have them. Stupid people have them. Bigots have them. Smart people have them. Everyone has them, like the proverbial arseholes. The trick is to know when they're worth expressing, and how they should best be expressed. It's a bit like toilet training. What you do is to defecate all over the forum and then say what a good brave boy you've been. You haven't. You've just shat everywhere.
3. I would express far more complaints about Rafa's management if someone like you wasn't spouting such nonsense every damn day. You're so ill-informed, so simplistic and so divorced from practical reality you discourage other people from making sounder critical points. Most lay opinions on tactics are at their most plausible when they are closest to being banal, which makes the articulation of them relatively unimportant to all but the self-deluded. Other arguments rely on so many presuppositions, in terms of players and fitness and selection and the composition and organisation of the opposition, they are only interesting if one has an inordinate amount of time on one's hands.
Now you're on 'ignore'. As a public service, you've been outed. You can take that my way, or, indeed, yours.
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Brilliant ;D
1. This weird homophobic obsession you exhibit, rage: I suspect you're probably about 15 or 16, almost certainly a virgin and a bit unsure about your own sexuality. What you need to understand is that grown-ups aren't made insecure by this kind of name-calling. You just seem, well, pathetic. There is counselling available for your problem. Do seek it out, promptly, for the sake of those you encounter.
2. The notion that it takes 'balls' to have an opinion. Here's probably the root of your problem. It doesn't take 'balls' to have an opinion. Cowards have them. Stupid people have them. Bigots have them. Smart people have them. Everyone has them, like the proverbial arseholes. The trick is to know when they're worth expressing, and how they should best be expressed. It's a bit like toilet training. What you do is to defecate all over the forum and then say what a good brave boy you've been. You haven't. You've just shat everywhere.
3. I would express far more complaints about Rafa's management if someone like you wasn't spouting such nonsense every damn day. You're so ill-informed, so simplistic and so divorced from practical reality you discourage other people from making sounder critical points. Most lay opinions on tactics are at their most plausible when they are closest to being banal, which makes the articulation of them relatively unimportant to all but the self-deluded. Other arguments rely on so many presuppositions, in terms of players and fitness and selection and the composition and organisation of the opposition, they are only interesting if one has an inordinate amount of time on one's hands.
Now you're on 'ignore'. As a public service, you've been outed. You can take that my way, or, indeed, yours.
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Brilliant ;D
Why ask someone a question and then tell them you're not interested in their answer? i.e. the whole 20p 'joke'. Seems a bit odd that.
I think the whole thread is a bit weird. You asked him to have a go, he did, then you told him why it was crap. Why was it crap? Because it differed from your opinion? The way the Agger thing was pounced on was bizarre.
The towing the line with a few in-house posters on here lately is embarassing. Its not as if they know what they're on about.
Don't get your hopes up Rage, you're still a bell end, but the others aren't far behind. For the record, your team minus Agger with Skrtel in is still better than what Benitez will pick so don't despair, there's hope for you yet.
I think the whole thread is a bit weird. You asked him to have a go, he did, then you told him why it was crap. Why was it crap? Because it differed from your opinion? The way the Agger thing was pounced on was bizarre.
The towing the line with a few in-house posters on here lately is embarassing. Its not as if they know what they're on about.
Don't get your hopes up Rage, you're still a bell end, but the others aren't far behind. For the record, your team minus Agger with Skrtel in is still better than what Benitez will pick so don't despair, there's hope for you yet.
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You asked him to have a go, he did, then you told him why it was crap. Why was it crap? Because it differed from your opinion?
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No, Liberal Larry, old boy, it was because he didn't have any tactical opinions, he only had the most banal list of commonplace generalisations, which, as he had been bleating for ages about where the manager was going wrong, and sounding highly amused at each setback as he did so, the exposure of his own stunning ineptitude was a deserved comeuppance that, hopefully, will make him behave with a tiny bit of humility from this point on. Okay?
You asked him to have a go, he did, then you told him why it was crap. Why was it crap? Because it differed from your opinion?
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No, Liberal Larry, old boy, it was because he didn't have any tactical opinions, he only had the most banal list of commonplace generalisations, which, as he had been bleating for ages about where the manager was going wrong, and sounding highly amused at each setback as he did so, the exposure of his own stunning ineptitude was a deserved comeuppance that, hopefully, will make him behave with a tiny bit of humility from this point on. Okay?
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36184.msg956091#msg956091 date=1254492343]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36184.msg956083#msg956083 date=1254491763]
You asked him to have a go, he did, then you told him why it was crap. Why was it crap? Because it differed from your opinion?
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No, Liberal Larry, old boy, it was because he didn't have any tactical opinions, he only had the most banal list of commonplace generalisations, which, as he had been bleating for ages about where the manager was going wrong, and sounding highly amused at each setback as he did so, the exposure of his own stunning ineptitude was a deserved comeuppance that, hopefully, will make him behave with a tiny bit of humility from this point on. Okay?
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Not really. They might be the same 'banal list of commonplace generalisations as usual' but everyone else's 'banal list of commonplace generalisations' are simply polar opposites and don't particularly point at any particular stroke of genius footballing accumen either. So why do they warrant more credence?
The answer is they don't.
I don't subscribe to Rage's hating of everything that Benitez does, it's wrong and pointless. But similarly, I don't subscribe to dismissing Rage's posts per se or failing to see any wrong in Benitez' management. It's not that black and white.
I don't think starting a 'hey Rage what do you think of Rafa?' thread and then telling him he's an areshole for 15 pages achieves that much. Why not just PM the guy and tell him he's a prick?
To be honest, I'm not that liberal either.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36184.msg956083#msg956083 date=1254491763]
You asked him to have a go, he did, then you told him why it was crap. Why was it crap? Because it differed from your opinion?
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No, Liberal Larry, old boy, it was because he didn't have any tactical opinions, he only had the most banal list of commonplace generalisations, which, as he had been bleating for ages about where the manager was going wrong, and sounding highly amused at each setback as he did so, the exposure of his own stunning ineptitude was a deserved comeuppance that, hopefully, will make him behave with a tiny bit of humility from this point on. Okay?
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Not really. They might be the same 'banal list of commonplace generalisations as usual' but everyone else's 'banal list of commonplace generalisations' are simply polar opposites and don't particularly point at any particular stroke of genius footballing accumen either. So why do they warrant more credence?
The answer is they don't.
I don't subscribe to Rage's hating of everything that Benitez does, it's wrong and pointless. But similarly, I don't subscribe to dismissing Rage's posts per se or failing to see any wrong in Benitez' management. It's not that black and white.
I don't think starting a 'hey Rage what do you think of Rafa?' thread and then telling him he's an areshole for 15 pages achieves that much. Why not just PM the guy and tell him he's a prick?
To be honest, I'm not that liberal either.
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