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mark1975 said:
There's something incredibly missing with Hodgson, I don't think it's vindictive bitterness, I just think he's completely oblivious to his own stature in the game and also the traditions and everything else that goes hand in hand with this great club. I mean, who (other than that other cunt Moyes) would stand infront of the nation after a hapless derby defeat, and label it his teams "best performance of the season"? I honestly don't think he's pre meditated in his approach, I think he's just genuinely really fucking thick. And shit. And a fucking coward.

If a team ever fully represented a manager it was his Liverpool team. Gutless and completely lacking in any sort of idea of what it was meant to be doing. His signings of Konchesky and Poulson were just as symptomatic of him - boring, mediocre & slow.
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I certainly agree his approach isn't premeditated. It's when he's put under pressure and cannot cope that everything else flies out the window and he gets genuinely nasty. That's the picture which emerged from our Scando fellow posters' accounts of him and IMO from at least some of his behaviour at LFC.
 
mark1975 said:
It also gets forgotten too easily that Ged finished 2nd too.
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it was a bit like Arsenal finishing second last year. Great to be the best of the rest, but the title chances were remote from early in the year. If anything it raised expectations beyond achievable goals.
 
mark1975 said:
Houllier got alot of stick at the time for his approach to the academy, but in general he modernised the club from top to bottom, he got rid of the lad culture that had developed (or become outdated), and brought in stricter fitness and dietary regimes.

He put the club back on the map in Europe, we had Germany and Bayern in particular fawning over how good we were - I remember McAllister, Owen, Heskey and Gerrard being singled out for particular praise at the time of the Super Cup and then on the back of the famous England win.

He was never the same after his illness and became indecisive and meddlesome with the team.

In many ways, Rafa's tenure echoed that of Houllier. Great start, increased European standing, and a few cup finals aswell - the CL was massive, but the cup treble was too in it's significance.

Both managers built a title challenging side that could have won the league in any other season, and both failed to maintain that level in the league, through indecision and a frustrating undercurrent of stubborness, that was eventually the undoing of both.

When both went it was probably about time, both tenures had gone stale. It's easy to say with hindsight that we should have done this or that, but we challenged for the title again within 5 years so despite the upheaval in the boardroom, we weren't "finished", like many predicted.

It's taken a while for us to get some sort of European pedigree back - I don't think we fully will until Klopp is back in the CL. That's testament to both managers and their respective success in Europe and dragging Liverpool back amongst the Elite. Both men are tremendous ambassadors for the sport and have Liverpool running through the veins, their devotion to the club since shows how much we meant to them and they should be commended for that. It's time that both were looked back on for the good times.
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Even "great" times, Mark.
 
juniormember said:
I think he's the first manager of Liverpool that I hated.
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He's the only Liverpool manager who I couldn't stand at the time and continued to hate afterwards.

There have been a few Liverpool managers who I couldn't wait to see the back of and began to dislike them, but normally once they have gone I can view them more positively.

I don't think I can ever see Hodgson positively.
 
Richey said:
He's the only Liverpool manager who I couldn't stand at the time and continued to hate afterwards.

There have been a few Liverpool managers who I couldn't wait to see the back of and began to dislike them, but normally once they have gone I can view them more positively.

I don't think I can ever see Hodgson positively.
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Exactly how I feel.
 
Richey said:
He's the only Liverpool manager who I couldn't stand at the time and continued to hate afterwards.

There have been a few Liverpool managers who I couldn't wait to see the back of and began to dislike them, but normally once they have gone I can view them more positively.

I don't think I can ever see Hodgson positively.
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I don't think you are in the minority there at all.

I was horrified when he was appointed, and unsurprised - and delighted - when he was rightly sacked.
 
manwithnoname said:
I don't think he was exactly "chuffed", it was more a response to Benitez not being manager, as opposed to Budgie being anything amazing.

Anyway, he's a big boy. I'm sure he can handle it.
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i don't care about the context. he was chuffed we got woy in. there's no context that's going to excuse that.
 
Richey said:
He's the only Liverpool manager who I couldn't stand at the time and continued to hate afterwards.

There have been a few Liverpool managers who I couldn't wait to see the back of and began to dislike them, but normally once they have gone I can view them more positively.

I don't think I can ever see Hodgson positively.
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He turned up for work on his first day at Melwood wearing a short-sleeved shirt with a business suit. The man was clueless.

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Yup. Far from chuffed. Accepting and miserable.
I think Skully is thinking of someone else.
 
I dont remeber that at all. I remember wanting Frank Rikjaard at the time quite badly.
Anyway. If I did I was wrong. Happens daily.
 
How depressing was his summation of things though? It was the old Hodgson school of 'managing expectations' before he even arrived:

We don't have the money for any inspiring signings so it doesn't matter who the manager is.
Torres, Gerrard and Mascherano will probably leave anyway so it doesn't matter who the new manager is.

So what we need is a tactically sound manager who can bring the best out of players (see-Duff, Zamora, Dempsey etc) and spot a good player at a fair price (see-Hangaland, Dempsey, Schwarzer)
I think your expectations of the club need to be lowered, not your expectation of the new manager.
 
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