Rafa... Yay or Nay?
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I think we can. Or at least I think I can. I just don't think he progressed after his first three years, I didn't like (rather than respected) his tactics and lost a lot of faith in him in his last year (and beyond). It's not an either/or thing.
Do you really believe we had a better side than that United team? A United side that appeared in 3 CL finals in 4 years. Thank god for Barca...
Im honestly only reacting to the people who are either/or.
Amen to that, brother.
Rafa can fuck right off. The day he left was one of the happier days in the last few years.
It wasn't that they got a record number of points. It was 2 Macheda goals.
We swapped Rafa for Roy. Happy days indeed..
yeah, it's worked out so well for us.
We had Torres and Gerrard score how many goals between them? Alonso and Mascherano in the mid? Kuyt had a tremendous second half, with Riera solid throughout. Our defense was being solid as fuck with Hyypia and Carra, and Reina was amongst the best in England (if not the best). That first 11 was better than the Mancs imo. We didn't win it because of piss poor results against weakened oppositions.
I could care less about their CL runs. Liverpool appeared in 2 CL finals in 3 years, and there were 3 teams better than us comfortable in all 3 years.
we got enough points to win the league in any other year bar that one. you're talking shite.
Oh no Macca, because we can't see past those 3 years, it's unreal. It's more unreal that people want to replace Kenny with a man who was fired within 6 months with a team that had just dominated Italy and Europe, and who had won a grand total of 0 trophies for Liverpool after the FA Cup win.
The day Rafa left, not the day we replaced him with Roy, that is.
if only it made sense or was relevant to the discussion, i would say it's a great post. pity.
The point is that right now having spent the best part of 80M in one fucking splurge there are 8 teams better than us just in the premier league...
I love how some of our fans, sensible people and all, still talk as if we had some divine right to win the title, years and years after we last got even remotely close. As if the 'failure' must automatically be due to some facile error by an idiotic manager, and nothing at all to do with, for example, being up against one of the most formidable PL teams ever assembled managed by one of the all-time greats. No doubt there were some frustrting results that season and some poor decisions, but on the whole that squad of players really had no right to be getting 86 points, especially considering Torres missed half the season through injuries.
But why recognise all the good stuff when you can take it for granted, bitch about some home draws, ship him out, and then 2 years later sit back and luxuriate in the wonderful glory of our nice shiny Carling Cup?
Agree completely, but still unsure he's the right man should kenny step down (or up).
That said, I'd be inclined to agree with genes earlier post, it's very hard to find another manager who would be able to do a better job, & whether Henry & co are capable of that is questionable, so Rafa may well be the best option.
There is always the chance he may well have gotten his mental stage out of him now those owners have gone & we may get that genius Rafa back we had for those first two/three seasons.
It's also unreal that people continually rewrite and exaggerate what he did and continue to overlook his shortcomings and the fact he had enough time to sort his shit out, yet continued to be the victim of his own stubbornness.
I guess that's just me being a SPASTIC though.
This isn't about Kenny mate ... If you want to dissect how poor the signings have been, I'll happily do so in another thread.
Dear "I wish we had never let go of Rafa", where exactly did I say it was a divine right? Fergie said we blew it that year, and it was our best chance. You know why? Because even he realized that we had the team to win it that years, and were it not for those piss poor results against average teams where the line ups were shifted, we'd have won the league ... I don't remember Torres' games played that year - but he played most of the 2nd half no? Lastly, I'm glad in your desire to see him come back, you'll happily ignore his last years where he won nothing and made very average big money signings. Isn't that why you want Kenny fired? Wait, maybe his 6 month stint in Serie A is why we should bring it back? Fuck it, I'm in! yay!
United had the best defense in the league that year plus they had Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez and Berbatov. They won the title because they had superior strength in depth.
Hahahahaha. Could not make it up.
The mental stage seems to still be part and parcel of his game, considering his 6 month stint with the best team in Italy and Europe.
Can you also show me where I underestimate what he's done?
I guess we weren't that close, and had they not come back from that 2-0 deficit to Villa, they'd have still won the league comfortably. My bad. Vote changed to yay.
Isn't scoring goals to win matches which win titles sort of the point LT?
And indeed spend perhaps a whole 18 months calling for Rafas head before they chopped him, loyal fans to the end, even happily counting each new member of cabal of disgruntled fans as it grew and yet...From my viewpoint a similar kind of collective genius which occasionally shows itselfs on the signing of shite players and even the appointment of Roy....
Strangely many of the same people would be quite defensive should you point out the glaringly obvious that Kenny has made a dogs fucking dinner of it this season....
Well ... yah?
????.
Who's on your list?
Kenny has had a season and a half. How many did Rafa get?
I think the forum would be much more fun if Rafa was brought back. We'd be able to engage in arguments over whose fault everything was and make up nonsensical excuses for why he's shit at his job.
Note the lack of net spend arguments used to defend Kenny, sensible people realise money badly spent is important regardless of the source of the money. Not like when bellends used to defend Rafa signing Aquilani and Johnson for stupid money on the basis that it doesn't matter that they're shite signings there was no net spend so we didn't spend any money !!!!
So yeah let's bring Rafa back and bring out the inner mong in all those posters who believe he's a genius.
Note the lack of net spend arguments used to defend Kenny, sensible people realise money badly spent is important regardless of the source of the money. Not like when bellends used to defend Rafa signing Aquilani and Johnson for stupid money on the basis that it doesn't matter that they're shite signings there was no net spend so we didn't spend any money !!!!
So yeah let's bring Rafa back and bring out the inner mong in all those posters who believe he's a genius.
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