In fairness Sheik, a friend of mine who went the game pointed out pretty much the same thing post match. He asked if I'd seen Kenny's reactions because he was just stood there, lost.
Rafa... Yay or Nay?
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In fairness Sheik, a friend of mine who went the game pointed out pretty much the same thing post match. He asked if I'd seen Kenny's reactions because he was just stood there, lost.
Quite, the reason we lack a winger has absolutely no bearing on Benitez, who managed just one half decent steady Eddie in that role over his entire tenure. You could say left back was at least sorted in the short term (with Enrique, despite recent form), for a more than reasonable price and certainly to a better degree than Rafa ever managed. I think I could live with Suarez, Bellamy and Carroll (though not the latters fee). So what have we really failed on this season in the transfer market? Centre midfield and outwide?
In fairness, Rafa had enough money to sort out the striker position (we were left with Torres who was brilliant, and £1.5m N'Gog. Robbie Keane eh?), the left back role aside from a reasonable but chronically injured Aurelio, was never rectified AND he also had the benefit of Riise in that position for a few years. Centre half he sorted magnificently while having the benefit of Hyypia and Carragher there for years as options aswell. Kenny took over a flailing Carragher, a less than confident Skrtel and a brilliant but often injured Agger.
At the end of the day, they've both fucked up with more than reasonable money to spend. You could make more or less the same argument against Rafa, he had money AND time to sort out several roles in the side, but failed. He also had the benefit of a good backbone to the side and lost a couple of good players due to his own ill-treatment of them.
We've fucked up over a long period by covering some areas well (sometimes over buying and over prioritising positions that were already strong) and fucking up or failing to fully solve problem roles. Kenny, Rafa, Houllier, it's been going on for years and I guess that's why people get their backs up with the Rafa fans, because Kenny's had one season and is having more or less the same failings thrown at him as those that Rafa made.
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I'm confused by anyone who wants rid of Kenny already, he's earned more time.
I'm confused by anyone who wants rid of Kenny already, he's earned more time.
Kenny has presided over our worst league form for god knows how long, the team has an inability to score goals and more importantly win games. He's earned time not because he's won the League Cup and everyone can see the progress we're making but because he's Kenny Dalglish. Any other manager would have been fucking crucified for the season he's had.
As for Rafa, I agree with LTW. We had a great team in 08 (credit to Rafa for that) but his stubborn and cautious approach let Man Utd back into the race and they then went on a great run, which is what they do. The fact that we ended up as close to them as we did is because they took their foot off the pedal towards the end as it was pretty much done and they had other priorities.
As for Rafa, I agree with LTW. We had a great team in 08 (credit to Rafa for that) but his stubborn and cautious approach let Man Utd back into the race and they then went on a great run, which is what they do. The fact that we ended up as close to them as we did is because they took their foot off the pedal towards the end as it was pretty much done and they had other priorities.
The point's really got nothing to do with whatever mistakes Rafa made with transfers. I'm just arguing that whatever problems the squad had when he left could easily have been sorted with the money invested since, the £70m brought in by Mascherano and Torres, and some better planning. What he left was unbalanced but full of potential - the idea that we're suffering for it now is nonsense.
- imo we could've kept and used Aquilani instead of wasting £6m a year on Cole
- we could've sold Kuyt for a good fee and reinvested in a younger player, instead of watching him dwindle to worthlessness. And I said that at the time. £15m gone for little return. £25m or so lost on Gerrard. Thses were tough decisions but the opportunities to do good business in 2010 were there.
- we wasted £10m on Konchesky and Poulsen
- we wasted £20m on Carroll, £15m on Downing
- £16m on Henderson doesn't really seem to have addressed any pressing issue in the squad. A luxury signing, at best, when we couldn't afford one.
The point is, the people who've been responsible for buying and selling since Rafa was sacked have had ample resources to build that squad into something pretty formidable. That they've completely fucked it up is their fault, no-one else's.
- imo we could've kept and used Aquilani instead of wasting £6m a year on Cole
- we could've sold Kuyt for a good fee and reinvested in a younger player, instead of watching him dwindle to worthlessness. And I said that at the time. £15m gone for little return. £25m or so lost on Gerrard. Thses were tough decisions but the opportunities to do good business in 2010 were there.
- we wasted £10m on Konchesky and Poulsen
- we wasted £20m on Carroll, £15m on Downing
- £16m on Henderson doesn't really seem to have addressed any pressing issue in the squad. A luxury signing, at best, when we couldn't afford one.
The point is, the people who've been responsible for buying and selling since Rafa was sacked have had ample resources to build that squad into something pretty formidable. That they've completely fucked it up is their fault, no-one else's.
No to Benitez
I can understand why people might want him back but he failed the first time, I imagine he still feels he was treated unfairly then and if that is the case then it is less likely he would have learned from those mistakes.
If Kenny does end up having to go (personally I think he should get more time) then why replace a one manager who failed with another one who failed? Even if Kenny is not the right man, it doesn't mean that Benitez is.
I can understand why people might want him back but he failed the first time, I imagine he still feels he was treated unfairly then and if that is the case then it is less likely he would have learned from those mistakes.
If Kenny does end up having to go (personally I think he should get more time) then why replace a one manager who failed with another one who failed? Even if Kenny is not the right man, it doesn't mean that Benitez is.
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I hope we're not venturing into 'body language' territory. It's all very subjective, isn't it? Especially as Kenny looked much the same the last time he was manager. That's just the way he looks. As an ex-player he never seemed to have much faith in bawling out instructions and often left it to Ronnie Moran. The suggestion though that he never does anything but stand there is palpably untrue. I won't ask, again, what Steve Clarke does because that man could rob a fecking bank in broad daylight and no one would notice or care, it seems.
I'm the same
My respect grew last night when wigan scored. Its guaranteed survival AGAIN yet he celebrated with a quiet dignity because he knew kean must feel like shite.
A gentleman who plays te game in the right way
If I were a betting man he'd be the one I'd put money on should he get shut of king Kenny.
I want more time for Kenny but the above are reasonable shouts in the event that he were to step aside.
What about Hughton as another possibility?
What about Hughton as another possibility?
Not all Americans are the same, you know.
Yeah if KK were to step aside, we could do considerably worse than Martinez.
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