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rafa back as manager - how does that make you feel?
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If he had Paco with him, I'd be happy enough.
Rafa will always have a place in my heart, he bought us Champions League, FA Cup, Fernando Torres, Xabi Alonso, Javier Mascherano, Pepe Reina, Luis Garcia, Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, Glen Johnson and so on.
I'd be like I always am, blindly optimistic, thinking that the extra years would have helped him learn from his mistakes and come back even stronger. Probably wouldn't have, but thats not the point.
I'd be like I always am, blindly optimistic, thinking that the extra years would have helped him learn from his mistakes and come back even stronger. Probably wouldn't have, but thats not the point.
I'd rather we go for Roy Evans tbh.
The prospect concerns me a fair bit. Rafa has many qualities but I don't think adaptability is among them, so I'm concerned he'd bring the same strengths AND the same weaknesses back with him.
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The prospect concerns me a fair bit. Rafa has many qualities but I don't think adaptability is among them, so I'm concerned he'd bring the same strengths AND the same weaknesses back with him.
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Indeed. I would be particularly keen on him returning personally. I don't think he will either.
The prospect concerns me a fair bit. Rafa has many qualities but I don't think adaptability is among them, so I'm concerned he'd bring the same strengths AND the same weaknesses back with him.
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Indeed. I would be particularly keen on him returning personally. I don't think he will either.
Apart from anything else I reckon it would be totally flabbergasting if FSG took him on.
I absolutely love rafa but I love kenny as well so for rafa to come in kenny would have to may way and that makes me sad.
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Apart from anything else I reckon it would be totally flabbergasting if FSG took him on.
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Well if they do I am sure they would regret it shortly afterwards. As soon as we had a few bad results he would be there complaining about them.
Apart from anything else I reckon it would be totally flabbergasting if FSG took him on.
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Well if they do I am sure they would regret it shortly afterwards. As soon as we had a few bad results he would be there complaining about them.
Arsed.
We've fucked it up over the past decade and as such are very unlikely to challenge ever again.
We could employ the ghost of Paisley and never win the league again.
There are AT LEAST 5 teams with more money than us and at least 5 with already better squads. And maybe 10 with bigger better stadiums.
Who cares who the manager is. We're a top 7 or 8 team and thats about where we will finish year in year out now.
So yeah, bring back Rafa. Whatevs.
We've fucked it up over the past decade and as such are very unlikely to challenge ever again.
We could employ the ghost of Paisley and never win the league again.
There are AT LEAST 5 teams with more money than us and at least 5 with already better squads. And maybe 10 with bigger better stadiums.
Who cares who the manager is. We're a top 7 or 8 team and thats about where we will finish year in year out now.
So yeah, bring back Rafa. Whatevs.
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Arsed.
We've fucked it up over the past decade and as such are very unlikely to challenge ever again.
We could employ the ghost of Paisley and never win the league again.
There are AT LEAST 5 teams with more money than us and at least 5 with already better squads. And maybe 10 with bigger better stadiums.
Who cares who the manager is. We're a top 7 or 8 team and thats about where we will finish year in year out now.
So yeah, bring back Rafa. Whatevs.
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yup
midtable is underrated
any success is hailed as miraculous
i'd be happy with that
Arsed.
We've fucked it up over the past decade and as such are very unlikely to challenge ever again.
We could employ the ghost of Paisley and never win the league again.
There are AT LEAST 5 teams with more money than us and at least 5 with already better squads. And maybe 10 with bigger better stadiums.
Who cares who the manager is. We're a top 7 or 8 team and thats about where we will finish year in year out now.
So yeah, bring back Rafa. Whatevs.
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yup
midtable is underrated
any success is hailed as miraculous
i'd be happy with that
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Arsed.
We've fucked it up over the past decade and as such are very unlikely to challenge ever again.
We could employ the ghost of Paisley and never win the league again.
There are AT LEAST 5 teams with more money than us and at least 5 with already better squads. And maybe 10 with bigger better stadiums.
Who cares who the manager is. We're a top 7 or 8 team and thats about where we will finish year in year out now.
So yeah, bring back Rafa. Whatevs.
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Arsed.
We've fucked it up over the past decade and as such are very unlikely to challenge ever again.
We could employ the ghost of Paisley and never win the league again.
There are AT LEAST 5 teams with more money than us and at least 5 with already better squads. And maybe 10 with bigger better stadiums.
Who cares who the manager is. We're a top 7 or 8 team and thats about where we will finish year in year out now.
So yeah, bring back Rafa. Whatevs.
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Love Rafa to bits but think we shouldn't go back. I know people will argue well what's the difference between Rafa coming back and Kenny coming back? I guess with Kenny coming back it was always a case of unfinished business and also the pressures he faced after Hillsborough. If we're going to get a new manager, not that I want Kenny out then i'd like us to look at Brendan Rogers or Paul Lambert
I think in many ways you have said what most of us feel in all of the above. It never goes well does it ? - I remember when GH came with a 5-year plan, was ok for 3 years and then went down-hill the next 2, so we had to re-build again. Same with Rafa, started ok with CL, FA cupt, 2nd in league, second CL Final, and then gradual downhill - we started losing all our best players that made us what we were. The cycle may repeate itself this year - like we could come 7th and win the League Cup, and FA Cup, then challenge next year and come ... 2nd (Again), and then do ok the following year, then we go downhill again for the next manager with his 5-year plan. But I fear that by then - whoever takes over Arsenal will spend all of Wengers savings, and Jose will be back to manage Chelsea, and Spurs spend big, and Newcastle get stronger and we really will be a number 7 team.
I don't see the point really. It might put us in a better position but we won't win the title or challenge consistently, we'll still be fighting for 4th (let's remember, Rafa didn't have Spurs and City at their current level to compete with). He had 5yrs and ultimately it wasn't enough so why bother? I do like Rafa aswell but we've been there done that and his ramblings in the press and his stubbornness will see him struggle to get a top job again.
And just for perspective, people are quick to point out his cup record, we can end this season with two cups (having gone six years without one) and that won't be deemed as enough to save Kenny, so why should we be considering going back for someone who ultimately proved to be a cup manager?
And just for perspective, people are quick to point out his cup record, we can end this season with two cups (having gone six years without one) and that won't be deemed as enough to save Kenny, so why should we be considering going back for someone who ultimately proved to be a cup manager?
I'm very grateful to Rafa for his early successes - and that first season will always strike me as one of the truly great managerial performances in Europe. But his last season was agony to watch: it was joyless, witless and painfully aimless. He seemed more interested in solving abstract puzzles than actually playing a game. In fact he always seemed not so much eager to play football as demonstrate logical theorems. If he came back we'd be facing several years of arid non-football and probably yet more strange signings. I couldn't bear it.
Disappointed.
When Kenny goes (be that now or in 5 years holding the League) I want us to start afresh with a young hungry manager.
We should be finding the new Rafa, the new Kenny rather than ending up with a situation like this where we don't feel we can sack the manager even if it's going badly.
When Kenny goes (be that now or in 5 years holding the League) I want us to start afresh with a young hungry manager.
We should be finding the new Rafa, the new Kenny rather than ending up with a situation like this where we don't feel we can sack the manager even if it's going badly.
I think it would be a mistake all round, for Rafa himself as well as for us, if he came back. Doing so rarely if ever works out in football and he did enough to sour his legacy the first time around, as macca rightly describes above.
That said, neither do I want a "young, hungry" manager. That was the reason put forward by a fair few on here for wanting AVB, and look how that turned out. Despite the last couple of results, there isn't *that* much wrong besides a bad case of constipation up front. Once Kenny puts that right I want someone with the experience to take things forward from there, not someone who will pull everything up by the roots like Souness did. Been there, done that, cleared up the mess afterwards.
That said, neither do I want a "young, hungry" manager. That was the reason put forward by a fair few on here for wanting AVB, and look how that turned out. Despite the last couple of results, there isn't *that* much wrong besides a bad case of constipation up front. Once Kenny puts that right I want someone with the experience to take things forward from there, not someone who will pull everything up by the roots like Souness did. Been there, done that, cleared up the mess afterwards.
i really want him back.
Rafa wouldn't pull any roots, it's basically his roots + Suarez.
Depends if the players were happy to see him. Carra and Gerrard seemed to have lost faith in him towards the end, so they might be unhappy to see him return
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