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Pre Match - Everton (a) - Sat 12:30pm

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There's no way Nunez is starting in this, but he should be chomping at the bit to get on and prove and redeem himself.

I'd say it's 50/50 as to whether he starts or not. Firmino has 3 goals on 2 games but I don't think anybody is fooled by that. Fimrino isn't a goal threat

On the other hand Nunez clearly makes a nuisance of himself even if he's lacking in technique and positional play.
 
Klopp on Melo - "gives rhythm, safe on the ball, good in tight areas" -

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He looks match ready. Having learnt big lessons from kloppo I feel
maybe some game time coming up for him Saturday

 
I wouldn't play him from the start personally. They'll defo be on the lookout for opportunities to wind him up. I'd slip his leash during the second half when they've tired.
Yep, I'm with this. Even in a derby it still takes time to be wound up and get angry (unless you're a local), so reducing the time possible for Everton to build rage bar of Nunez seems sensible.

I would hope Firmino and Diaz can put another 60 minutes in before introducing Jota and Darwin to wreck havoc.
 
He’s fresh, he’s had time to build fitness and learn system patterns, and he’s desperate to make amends. Meanwhile Bobby’s already played 180 mins in the past week.

Play the wrecking ball of an 80m striker for God’s sake.
 
Honestly - I am kinda happy, hearing good things (although from long ago) about the new guy we have just got. But am delighted at the prospect of Darwin's next evolutionary steps in the PL. Seriously he excites me, and to all you motherfuckers complaining about his touch - fuck that, I like the fact that we got a big motherfucker right up against their back-line. Also Curtis now back from injury - think its great. I am feeling more confident playing against those cunts as the hour gets nearer.
 
Yep, I'm with this. Even in a derby it still takes time to be wound up and get angry (unless you're a local), so reducing the time possible for Everton to build rage bar of Nunez seems sensible.

I would hope Firmino and Diaz can put another 60 minutes in before introducing Jota and Darwin to wreck havoc.
Disagree TBH. He's going to encounter this every game from now on and no the derby isn't any different in that regard. He doesn't have a history and I think that can be discounted as a one off until proven otherwise. He'll have plenty of support from those around him. Play him from the start.
 

Liverpool and Everton lock horns in the 241st Merseyside derby this weekend, with the Reds looking for a third win in eight days to really kick the season into gear.

Jurgen Klopp‘s men couldn’t have left it later against Newcastle in midweek, as Fabio Carvalho‘s 98th-minute volley sealed a gritty 2-1 win.
Next up is the short trip across Stanley Park to face an Everton side who are still without a Premier League win this season.

Everton survived relegation by the skin of their teeth, with some raucous Goodison atmospheres proving key in the end.
Their 2022/23 league campaign has started in similarly uninspiring fashion, however, with three draws and two defeats to date.
Only a late Demarai Gray equaliser earned them a point at home to Nottingham Forest earlier in the month, while a 2-1 loss at struggling Aston Villa was disappointing, too.
The Blues look like genuine relegation candidates on current form.

Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard are two English footballing greats given their success as players, but management is going less impressively.
The Liverpool legend seems relatively close to getting the sack at Villa, and Lampard arguably should be no different – he certainly would be if his name was Rafa Benitez.
Granted, it hasn’t been all bad, but no wins and some dour football mean he is under pressure.
A heavy defeat to Liverpool this weekend would really put Lampard under the spotlight.

Everton have no fresh injury concerns, so Lampard will likely field a similar starting lineup to the one that drew 1-1 away to Leeds on Tuesday night.
Experienced new signings James Tarkowski and Conor Coady will continue at centre-back, with young right-back Nathan Patterson coming up against Luis Diaz.
The returning Idrissa Gueye could come straight into the starting lineup, although a substitutes’ role seems more likely. The same applies for fellow new arrival James Garner, but it wouldn’t be a surprise to see Neal Maupay start.
Anthony Gordon is a man in form who will cause Trent Alexander-Arnold problems on Saturday, and he is likely to be joined by Dwight McNeil in attack.
Yerry Mina, Ben Godfrey, Abdoulaye Doucoure, Mason Holgate and Andros Townsend are all out.
Predicted Everton XI: Pickford; Patterson, Tarkowski, Coady, Mykolenko; Onana, Davies, Iwobi; McNeil, Gordon, Maupay.

Jordan Henderson is Liverpool’s latest injury absentee, with the captain expected to be out for a number of weeks with a hamstring issue.
He joins Ibrahima Konate, Thiago, Naby Keita and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain on the treatment table.
On the plus side, Darwin Nunez is available again after completing his three-match ban, while Diogo Jota is “probably” going to make the squad, according to Klopp.

There could be a few tweaks from the Newcastle game, with Klopp no doubt wary of overplaying certain individuals.
Andy Robertson looks a jaded figure at the moment and could easily make way for Kostas Tsimikas, while Joel Matip may come in for Joe Gomez.
New signing Arthur Melo is unlikely to be involved due to not receiving international clearance. James Milner is favourite to replace the injured Henderson.
In attack, Roberto Firmino is expected to be retained after a return to form, meaning Nunez is used as an impact sub.
Possible Liverpool XI: Alisson; Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Van Dijk, Robertson; Fabinho, Elliott, Milner; Salah, Diaz, Firmino.

Speaking to the media on Friday, Klopp discussed new signing Arthur in glowing terms:
“He’s a really good footballer, I think we all agree on that. He’s had a very exciting career already and he’s still pretty young. He’s coming into the best age for a footballer.
“He can give rhythm, he’s a really good passer of the ball, has speed with the ball, is safe on the ball, and can demand rhythm, which is pretty important, really good in tight areas and all these kinds of things, so I like it a lot.
“Why can you loan a player like this? Because it didn’t work out 100 percent at Juventus, but I see it as a positive because the potential is for sure still there.
“We play obviously a different to Juve and we all thought that could fit pretty well, so that’s why I’m pleased.”

Liverpool’s 4-1 win at Goodison last season was superb, but it is an anomaly of a result.
The Reds have found it extremely difficult to win consistently at the home of their local rivals, even in the Klopp era.
In fact, four of the last five Goodison meetings have ended in draws, three of which were instantly forgettable 0-0 stalemates, in 2018, 2019 and 2020


Looking futher back, there have been eight draws in the last 10, further showing how much form can go out of the window in this fixture.
Everton may be struggling, but Saturday will be another real test of the Reds’ credentials.



Firmino has found his touch again in the final third this season, registering six goal contributions (three goals, three assists) at an average of one every 50 minutes.
Surprisingly, though, the Brazilian has always found it tough in clashes with Everton, never scoring against them in his career.
That’s a total of 12 matches, with two assists coming his way in that time.
Saturday would be a perfect opportunity for Firmino to end his Everton hoodoo – god only knows what his celebration would be if he scored a last-minute winner!

Anthony Taylor is the referee for Saturday’s game, with the Manchester-born official not exactly universally popular on Merseyside.
That being said, Liverpool didn’t lose any of the five league games he took charge of last season, which included the 5-0 win at Man United and 2-2 draw away to Man City.
Meanwhile, Darren England is on VAR duty, hopefully avoiding any controversial decisions, as was so painfully the case at Goodison back in October 2020.

Everton vs. Liverpool is live on BT Sport 1 from 11.30am (BST). Kickoff is at 12.30pm.
As usual, TIA’s unashamedly biased matchday live blog will be running, with Henry Jackson keeping you company from 11.45am.
Come on you Reds!
 


The Uruguayan is available for Saturday's trip to Goodison Park after serving his three-match suspension
The scene was one of total bedlam, the noise akin to that which normally accompanies a title decider or cup final winner.

Wherever you looked there were sights to behold. Fabio Carvalho sliding on his knees in front of the away end while Joel Matip was beating the ground in delight on the sideline. V-signs and middle fingers. Jurgen Klopp pulling in Andy Robertson for the tightest of hugs as Ibrahima Konate terrified BT Sport’s pitchside reporter Des Kelly. Darwin Nunez standing tallest of all in the Main Stand, waving his arms and sending a few Spanish expletives towards the Newcastle bench.

Eddie Howe’s coaching staff, in fairness, responded in kind. At least two of them threw something in the direction of their joyous Liverpoolcounterparts - or perhaps the fourth official. The rest looked ready to go 12 rounds if needed. For every winner there is always a loser, after all.

Has an August goal ever been celebrated with such abandon at Anfield?Certainly not in this correspondent’s lifetime. This was chaos, but the good kind. The kind which makes you feel alive and the kind you remember, no matter what comes next.
“A perfect moment,” was how Klopp described Carvalho’s late, late winner on Wednesday night. It may ‘only’ have secured three points for the Reds - and from a game they would have expected to win in any case - but the youngster’s 98th-minute strike could do so much more in terms of lifting the mood around the club, after a difficult and fractious start to the season.

Klopp’s fist pumps - seven of them - in front of the Kop said plenty. The manager knows his side are still miles from their best but at least they’re rediscovering that winning habit, and the manner of this victory will have pleased him just as much as the fact it lifts Liverpool up into fifth place in the embryonic Premier League table.
It is undeniable, despite the wins over Bournemouth and Newcastle, that there has been something missing with the Reds so far this season. Results, yes, but something else besides, something deeper.
Happiness, perhaps? A bit of confidence, for sure. The feeling that everything is going to be alright, even if hamstrings twang, minds wander and key midfield targets choose to go elsewhere.
Klopp’s side is renowned for its intensity, but Liverpool have looked different at the start of this campaign, as if the disappointment of May, when they missed out narrowly on a historic quadruple, is still weighing on their minds. They’re still trying to do all the things that make them who they are but it just isn’t happening as naturally or as often as it has done. Key players are hunting for form, others are injured, and the general vibes among the fanbase have been remarkably downbeat, even by modern standards.
And so a win like Wednesday, a gnarly, angry, dirty triumph against stubborn and in-form opposition, must be used, as fuel and as power, and as a template for the coming weeks.
You can still do it, and look how it feels when you do.
It may yet prove a false dawn, but it felt as if something returned to Liverpool as they chased the game in the second half against Newcastle. The anger - the good kind - was back in their play, the frustration from the fans transmitting itself to the pitch and prompting an increase in tempo, urgency and purpose.
Intensity rediscovered and rewarded - eventually.
Such skills, and such mentality, will be needed for Liverpool’s next game, as they make the short hop across Stanley Park to play neighbours Everton at Goodison on Saturday.
“I’m not sure we should think too much about playing football,” Klopp said, not even half-joking, in his press conference on Wednesday night. “It will be a proper fight, and we have to be ready for that.”
He has some decisions to make regarding selection, with Jordan Henderson to miss out with a hamstring issue. James Milner is the natural replacement for the stricken captain, but Carvalho’s impact off the bench has surely put him in the frame for inclusion. Curtis Jones was back on the bench against Newcastle, while a loan deal to bring Brazilian international Arthur Melo is expected to be completed on transfer deadline day.
And then there’s Nunez, who has served his three-game suspension and will be desperate to start atoning for his moment of madness against Crystal Palace

Can Klopp trust the Uruguayan in the heat of a Goodison derby, where wily campaigners like Conor Coady and James Tarkowski will look to prod and provoke, where every challenge will be greeted with howls of derision from the home fans, and where the hyperactive Jordan Pickford will do whatever he can to take centre stage?
It seems unlikely that Nunez will start, especially with Roberto Firmino finding some form in the last week, but he should offer a more-than-useful substitute option, and judging by his reaction in the stands on Wednesday night, he has lost none of his competitive edge or will to win while suspended.
Liverpool could well need all of that on Saturday, with Everton yet to win this season and likely to set up to frustrate and rattle, playing for counter-attacks and set-pieces. Fulham, Crystal Palace and Manchester United all had success with that kind of approach, and Everton will surely have noted Newcastle’s Atletico Madrid-style theatrics and delaying tactics too. Frank Lampard’s side, remember, deployed similar methods when beaten 2-0 at Anfield back in April.
Whether on from the start or emerging from the bench, Nunez, like his team-mates, must keep his composure amid the hostility, the pressure and the noise. “Fire in the belly, ice in the veins,” as the old saying goes.
Against Newcastle, Liverpool showed just how useful that approach can be. The Reds got angry, good angry, and they looked all the better for it.
They must hope Nunez was watching and paying attention.
 
I can see both Maupay and Gueye starting. Everton have been shite so far so there really is no downside to starting them.

Pickford; Patterson, Tarkowski, Coady, Mykolenko; Onana, Gueye, Iwobi; McNeil, Gordon, Maupay.

Gordon, that diving little twat, has Trent's number as in previous matches. Gomez or Matip are going to have to help him out, a lot.

Diaz can destroy Patterson. We need Nunez up against those big CBs.

Their front 4 are going to be running at our defence every time we try to play it out.
 
Klopp on Nunez (sounds like he'll play him) :

“He is a wonderful young man, honestly,” said the Liverpool manager, “but he has emotions as well. He made a mistake. We didn’t speak for the full 15 days to him about it, constantly telling him ‘You have to calm down’. Of course we told him, not only now but now especially. I think even Luis Suárez told him via the media. I’m not sure they spoke privately but probably they did.

“Our ideas and how we want to think in these situations is that we pay back with football. I don’t think [James] Tarkowski and [Conor] Coady are famous for this kind of talking during a game. Most of the things in English he doesn’t understand anyway. I don’t think the two boys are like this, but who knows? We will see.”

Klopp wants Núñez, signed for a potential club record £85m from Benfica in June, to turn any verbal or physical provocation to his advantage. “If Darwin plays then he has to be ready for these things, definitely,” he added. “But when a player is talking to you a lot or is really physical then he is not in his own game, and he [Núñez] has to use these moments as well. If the other one is too busy wanting to distract him, you just have to use it from a football point of view.

“For the Crystal Palace game, when the defender is searching for this constant contact, then go from there and decide where you start the movement, these kind of things. It was a lot that came together for the boy – it was all new, it was his first home game, so a lot of excitement. The emotional level you go into a game with is already high, you don’t need a lot to be a bit too emotional.

“The two weeks helped for sure, you can see it. Will it never happen again? I don’t know, but I am pretty sure nothing will happen in the next game.”
 
We paid 85M for a player so we could put him on a bench, in fear of intimidation by an inferior Everton team who's missing a number of key players. On top of it all, it's a team managed by Fat Lamps.

We deserve nothing tbh, with this sort of cowardice mentality.

Sorry but this really is utter TalkSport-style bo11ocks. It's got bugger all to do with "fear of intimidation" or fear of anything else. It's to do with sensible management of a 22-year-old who's just back from a sending-off for violent conduct as we go into what's always the most violent match of our season.
 
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The red zone: Everton face Klopp’s theatre of intensity against Liverpool


Everton and Liverpool players and managers

Liverpool’s ability to wear teams down with targeted pressing will be crucial in the Merseyside derby – and for their season


Fri 2 Sep 2022 21.00 BST


There was a significant moment on Wednesday night for observers of the styling, the optics, the physical theatre of Liverpool FC during the Jürgen Klopp years. With 83 minutes gone at Anfield and Newcastle’s players maintaining a fine pitch of drilled defensive aggression – plus, of course, some equally fine-drilled defensive time‑wasting – Kostas Tsimikas, Fabinho and Harvey Elliott produced a three-man blitz on the left side of the Liverpool midfield, nipping and snapping at Joe Willock’s heels and drawing a free‑kick 40 yards from goal.


And there it was at last: the Anfield face, the Klopp sweats, the red rictus – sweat-drenched, fretful, boggle-eyed, peering out at the world from some mind-bending lactic acid trip. A little late perhaps. But undeniably present as Willock turned to protest to the referee, to take a moment of respite in the middle of a first really sustained spell of familiar red-shirted condenser-football.


This isn’t personal. It’s tactics. Willock played really well on Wednesday, as did all of Newcastle’s players, resisting that process with great heart and a clearly defined plan. But this is a Liverpool team that have built an era on exhausting its opponents, that have inflicted the Anfield face from Vicarage Road to the Camp Nou, a moment in any game that acts as a signpost to victory, like a cut above a boxer’s eye or a distance runner rolling and writhing on the back straight.


Klopp’s Liverpool will make you run, will score second-half goals, will push you into that other place of red mist and twanging fibres. In the early years they did this through sheer physical pressure, the game of sprints and blitz-pressing; more recently with a kind of gruelling high-speed possession football. The system works this way. Fábio Carvalho’s late, late winner was a blow to the guts for Newcastle’s players, who simply collapsed, strings cut, tank emptied. But that state of induced exhaustion was just as telling. This is how Klopp wants you to look. The ability to make it happen, still, is key to how Liverpool’s season may progress from here.


More immediately it points to a fascinating Merseyside derby on Saturday, a meshing of high‑tempo styles that is familiar, old, neighbourly territory and tactically vital to both teams. Fulham and Manchester United have shown that opponents have been finding ways to combat that applied, structured exhaustion.


This has never been just about running or passion, but is a matter of playing smart, of drilled collective movements. At Old Trafford, United ceded possession and territory, sprinted less and made fewer passes but still seemed to be pushing Liverpool to their own physical limits, to be winning key individual duels.


Everton’s best moments under Frank Lampard have involved a similar kind of pressure. Last season turned after he had mused aloud on the need to play with “balls”, which seems to translate as high pressing, a tight midfield three and doing interesting things with Alex Iwobi, transformed from strolling about the pitch like a man playing a game of tennis ball three-and-in with a sausage roll in one hand to a maniacally busy ball‑winning deep forward.


Everton are top five in the league for fouls, tackles and cards. James Tarkowski, Conor Coady and Amadou Onana is a serious defensive rump. Dwight McNeil may not make or score goals, but he’ s a tackle machine. This could be gruelling, high-energy stuff. But then, what do we want from a Merseyside derby? A sense of instant, inconsolable outrage. Collisions, the adrenal fog, performative managerial rage. The last of those is probably on the cards in any case.


“You’ve won ONE league title and you’re giving it the big one, you can fuck off and sit down.” That was your catchphrase, Frank Lampard. Or at least it was during that strange, empty, midsummer 5-3 win over Chelsea two years ago. It is hard to begrudge Lampard’s attempts to inject some feeling into that occasion. He likes to give it the big one, too, and has a thing about Liverpool. But the best part of this prospect is that it is essentially a tactical thing, two teams whose final league position is likely to depend on the ability to drag opponents to the edge of their capabilities.


For Klopp’s Liverpool in particular this is an existential question. It is easy to forget that Liverpool’s recent run didn’t have to happen, that it is an engineered, coach-driven thing. It is rare to find an elite team in any sport where success is built to such an extent on an emotional state, in inducing feelings in an opponent, the crowd, your own players.


“We didn’t have enough power,” Klopp said during a slightly distracted ramble after the defeat at Old Trafford. He is of course talking about the way power is applied; shape and systems and movement rather than simply muscle and “giving it some”. And this is still a fragile thing.


Much has been made of the need for a new midfielder, and the arrival of Arthur Melo from Juventus promises energy, craft and Sopranos memes. But Liverpool’s net tactical effect, the feel of this team on the pitch, is about more than adding quality parts, just as Sadio Mané was more than simply an interchangeable high-class forward. Lose Mané and you lose a perfect fit, a player who offers Ayoze Pérez levels of tackles – 45 of them a season – married to a golden boot goal tally. Mané led the press and made the midfield work with endless creative movement. He was also perfect for Mohamed Salah, who has had four shots on target this season.


Plus, other teams come prepared. In their first three Premier League games (two draws and a defeat) Liverpool made fewer tackles, were dispossessed more often, won fewer headers than the opposition and were ambushed at times by opponents who have responded to Klopp’s innovations, finding ways to deflect that physical intensity, or raising their own levels.


Eddie Howe’s reconfigured team matched them for an hour at Anfield, although Klopp changed the trajectory at half-time. Fabinho and Elliott began to play closer together. Carvalho added craft in tight areas. And this is perhaps what Klopp will value most from Wednesday: the spectacle of two younger technical players relentlessly counterpressing, following the drill, reassembling the intensity of the past five years.


Much will depend on Saturday on Everton’s own ability not just to match that pressure, to resist the Klopp shakes, but to assert their own, to follow Klopp’s men into the red zone.

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I can’t be arsed binny-ing it. Read it all.
 
Well, see that's the problem with today's snowflake generation isnt it ?

If it was me, i would have no hesitancy to psyops him and throw him into a pool full of sharks so he can learn, but that's the generation i was brought up in.

It will depend on how tough Nunez's psyche is but he grew up in the slums, so maybe Goodison Park is too much of a step up, i dunno. I'm sure Klopp'll know far better.
 
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