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He's been poor for 7 seasons Gerry it has nothing to do with the change of role and nothing to do with his injuries.


Well, I know a lot of people think that, I just don't agree. And to be honest, I think everyone is bored of discussing it.

But I think everyone can agree, with the current role he has, he's never going to be good enough at it. He's either a back up to Gerrard now, or we may as well get rid.
 
Coutinho should have taken a yellow on the 3-2 goal. That still annoys me.Just drag down Bolasie.
 
I would honestly sell Sakho this summer, he's clearly not good enough; his positional sense is poor, he is very slow on the turn, clumsy in the tackle and his heading is erratic. I'd snap someone's hand off if they offered us £10m for him.

Couldnt disagree more
 
I'm not convinced by Sakho either. As someone else said, we need one excellent CB, we've got three average ones, and they'd all look better with a great one beside them.

We could keep Sakho as he's the most likely to improve, or we could sell him as his value is probably the highest. Either is fine by me.
 
You see potential there Hansern?

Yes, I do mate. I see loads of potential to be honest.
I think he's been a bit held back by no pre season and 3 months out injured. He's also adapting to the league. But I've seen more than enough to warrant a place next season. Wheter or not thats a starting place is up to him.
The first 70 mins yesterday was excellent though imho.

I think we'll sell Agger this summer and probably buy a new CB. That has to be a commanding centre back that can step up and be a leader. That will improve both Skrtel and Sakho aswell.
 
I think every person here, at 3-0, was hoping we pushed on and got a few more. Nobody was calling for us to shut up shop. I'd much rather we went for it than gave up. Yeah, it was risky, and it didn't pay off, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.

It was at 3-2 that we should really have held off, but I think we just ran out of steam, and they had all the momentum. We're not used to shutting up shop either. It's actually been one of our strong points this year, that we don't. It's not easy to stop doing that with 20 minutes left of our 37th game without doing it.

Not every person here, no. Obv.I'd have been happy if we'd scored more, but my priority from first to final whistle was simply a win, because I never thought closing the goal difference gap was on in the first place. For that reason I would not have waited till 3-2 but would have gone into European away tie mode when their first goal went in. There's no way that would have constituted "giving up" - on the contrary, I'd have done it precisely because it represented our best chance of getting a vital win and keeping our title chances alive.

I do think the point about running out of steam has some force. It's something from which we suffered quite badly in the first half of the season and is an inevitable danger with Rodgers' "death by football" style, though we've been steadily improving our ability to meet the physical demands imposed by that style of play which, I'm hopeful, will continue to serve us well next season. However, what last night and the Chelsea game proved beyond any reasonable doubt IMO is that we HAVE to learn to mix it up more when circumstances demand, not least if we want to make headway in the CL.
 
Top of the League, 99 goals scored, contending right to the final game makes it difficult to moan too much.

Yes, in hindsight we should have consolidated in this game, but wow what an exciting team we have. Imagine us with some better players and BR and his team at the helm. I like the 'you score 2 we'll score 4' style and hope we can learn from our mistakes rather than become inhibited as a result.

I'm aware that I should know better but I still think there's a twist to come.
 
Top of the League, 99 goals scored, contending right to the final game makes it difficult to moan too much.

Yes, in hindsight we should have consolidated in this game, but wow what an exciting team we have. Imagine us with some better players and BR and his team at the helm. I like the 'you score 2 we'll score 4' style and hope we can learn from our mistakes rather than become inhibited as a result.

I'm aware that I should know better but I still think there's a twist to come.

I hope that's Suarez doing something to Moses' neck.
 
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This season made me love football again. It has been all I've thought about for months. What a great feeling and it is Brendan Rodgers we have to thank for that. Roll on the next few seasons!
Well said Si and I'm deffo in the glass half full camp. Also until the ribbons are on the cup I'm still living in hope.

@Ryan - Great post btw.

@Modo - You're an idiot.
 
What a pisser, eh.

Onward and upward. No point getting bent outta shape about the madness last night, it's playing football like this that put us on top of the table.

It's not gonna happen but Villa for a point tomorrow and Andy Carroll of book a spot on the plane to Brazil with a hat-trick against City.
 
If you watch it again he tries to and takes a kick at him, but doesn't connect. Fucking air shots!

Fair play then. I would have grabbed him with hands and wrestled him to the ground. Coutinho isnt the strongest mind..
 
I like the fact that he tried. He'd never have done that when he first arrived, especially as Bolasie's probably twice his size.
 
@Red Astaire

We would have won the league if Agger played.
Interesting that you can somehow view an alternative perception of the universe through differing timelines. There are 3 choices here.

1) You are a complete fucking numpty

2) You are on the wind up and a massive trolling bellend

3) You are cribbing story lines from Star Trek The Next Generation and passing them off as your own.

I hope it's the 3rd option as I like to see the best in people and there really is nothing like a good rob.....
 
I like the fact that he tried. He'd never have done that when he first arrived, especially as Bolasie's probably twice his size.

I don't like the fact that he tried, but once he failed, decided to jog back when we had fuck all cover. Why oh why was he jogging at such an important moment?
 
Coutinho should have taken a yellow on the 3-2 goal. That still annoys me.Just drag down Bolasie.

As should have Johnson for the first, I remember being annoyed he didn't, even before the goal went in. If he'd have pulled him down there, they probably wouldn't have got the goal, and the momentum wouldn't have swung.
 
I don't like the fact that he tried, but once he failed, decided to jog back when we had fuck all cover. Why oh why was he jogging at such an important moment?

I really don't think he's 'wired' to do any proper defending. It was Countinho stood watching Lukaku all alone in the 'D' at Goodison as Everton messed about on the touchline. When they eventually worked it inside the Everton player looked up and saw Lukaku all alone and that was it, pass, shot, 2-2. Coutinho had plenty of time to get closer and make the pass look less appealing because Lukaku would have been marked or far less open. But sadly Countinho just stood and watched.

Contrast that with Suarez's solo sprint to become a centreback last night when Palace were, yet again, on the counter and all the players who should have been doing the tracking back just watched.
 
So a few points.

Can't we just agree to suffer togethor? Is it not enough to watch that soul-destroying last 15 minutes, without having to log onto a fucking Liverpool forum and get some small-time cunts posting self-congratulatory gifs of Daniel Agger to somehow vindicate a point they made 4 months ago.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I feel the exact same way when I read all this shit about Suarez maybe not deserving the Player of the Year Award, or his goals not quite being as valuable as someone else's. Don't you just enjoy watching him play? Don't you just think you know what, the cunt's scored 30+ goals for us, that deserves some leeway. It's as if there's more to be gained from being the controversial tool. We were 7th last year, and the year before that, and we've been shite for just about as long as I can remember. And we go from that to top of the league with a game to go, and everyone's quick to point the finger at Rodgers, or he lack of Daniel fucking Agger, or Suarez's 30 goals not being the right goals. I do not get that. There are times to be the cunt, and we can point the finger deservedly, but you know - other times it's OK to just be a fan and admit it hurts.

This is one of those times. We've effectively just lost the league. We don't need to log onto our own forums, and have our own fans trying to win points.

While we're on Daniel Agger. There's a reason why he was on the bench, and has been for half the season. There is. We've had 6+ years of Daniel Agger. We don't need another 12 minutes of him. He's been a good defender for 6 years, but has always made mistakes. Always. And now he can't get in the side. Skrtel's gone past him, Sakho's been preferred to him, and for the first half of the season - Rodgers chose Kolo Toure over him. He's the best ball-playing centre back in our squad, and our manager - who wants the fucking side to pass their way out of a phone box - still doesn't pick him. That's enough for me. What's the point in revisionism now? What's the point in wailing about him not getting a chance tonight? He's had 6 years of chances. He's 29 - isn't that when you're supposed to be at your peak as a centre back? Terry at 29 was a colossus, Vidic, Carvalho, Carragher. Those guys didn't sit on the bench when they were 29. Fuck right off with this 'Daniel Agger would have made the difference' shite.

I don't excuse Skrtel and Sakho either. Carragher and Neville were right, not good enough. It's almost as if this Liverpool side is waiting for it to get to parity at 3-3, cos then they can get on the front foot again. They don't know how to play any other way. You could see it coming tonight, 3-2 and everyone knows it's coming. You know they'll score. In the back of my mind I'm almost hoping they do get the third quickly, so then we've got enough time to try and go forward to get a 4th. Mad.

Skrtel reminds me of Mascherano. Reactive all the time. Launching into tackles, headers, bouncing balls. He prefers kamikaze football. How many times do you see him sliding on his arse to make tackles? Alan Hansen never went to ground. Tony Adams. Hyypia. Stand the fuck up and control your defence. Mascherano used to do that shite - it's like they prefer the game being played on the edge. Skrtel just throwing himself over the top of Chamakh all night trying to win headers. What's the point? You're on the fucking halfway line, Chamakh's going nowhere. Just stand him up and press him back. You don't have to fucking win every header. It's as if he compensates for his inability to manage a defence by overstretching himself into lunatic tackles - as if that's die-hard defending. It's not, your playing Crystal Palace - don't turn it into a fuckfest, just cool the game. Look at that third goal - all he wants to do is charge in to head it. Charging forward again. No cool head, no fucking game-management. How is he supposed to control a defence when he can't even control himself?

Anyway. Anyone else think we looked tired? Out on our legs pretty much. I kept thinking to myself during the second half - make a fucking change Brodge. But then you remind yourself of who he's got on there. A half-fit Coutinho, and Victor Moses. Pellegrino had David Silva, Negredo, Kolarov, Javi Garcia, Lescott, Navas on the bench at Goodison 2 days ago. There's 150 million quid right there. That's the difference I guess. We've all been saying it for months now - dropping too deep, inviting half-baked sides onto us in the second half, over-reliance on 2 or 3 players up front, and a makeshift defence. That's when mistakes happen - Mignolet coming waving at it away to Norwich, Gerrard, tonight's mess. Sure you need cool heads, sure you need to make the right defensive subs, sure you need to not make mistakes - but you also need fucking quality on the bench and in your squad to change shit up. We didn't and don't have that, and it's ultimately what's cost us. We're all lamenting Jordan Henderson's absence - sure he's a loss, but let's face it - he's not in the top half dozen players at the club, why do the walls come crumbling down when one player is missing for 3 games? Because we've got fuck all else to fill in for him.

You've got to admire the effort all season long though, and again tonight. Gerrard again killing himself all over the ground, Joe Allen who was the best player on the pitch by some way, Sterling - a kid trying to drag us into it, and Suarez. Suarez. He frustrated the shite out of me tonight to be truthful. But he bust his hole trying to win. Again and again and gain he fronted up trying to take the game on, but fatigue got the better of him in the end. As it did for John Flanagan who's form has dipped. He's a kid too, he needs support. And Coutinho who probably should have come on, but we've got fuck all alternatives, just as we had none last Sunday to we had to turn to Sturridge. It's why they were all so distraught at the final whistle - cos they've given everything they've got I guess.

That's admirable. Guys putting themselves out there - injured, fatigued, whatever - trying to win the league from 7th position. I'd prefer to focus on that, and take some joy in how hard they went for it. That's been the most enjoyable season of my life as a Liverpool supporter - I was too young to really remember what happened in the 80's. My whole adult life has been us doing bits and pieces of things, having the odd amazing night, but being a middling side really. And then this year we play football that I never dreamt we'd play, and we battered everyone - top sides too. I laughed watching us we were that good, game after game of just tearing sides apart. Isn't that what you hope your football club will one day give you - winning and doing it breathlessly? I'm amazed at the football we played, the results we got, and the 15, 45, 90 minute spells of football we strung together week after week. I've never known supporting Liverpool football club to be like this. We're a good side again. We've come up short, but not for the want of trying.

Dunno, maybe I'm being a sentimental dickhead, but that was probably the hardest 15 minutes of Liverpool-supporting I've ever had, I don't need then to read a load of point-scoring wank from our own straight after it.

Just be a fan.

That right there encapsulates things and is the best post on here for many a while.
 
Now that everyone has cooled down - I have to say:-

"I FUCKING LOVE WHAT WE DID YESTERDAY"

Yeah - I said it, because when we went 3-0 up I think most people on here and the players included kind of felt OK, lets go and get this GD down to zero. No it was probably not the right thing to do BUT at least we had the guts and ambition to try. We know that the title even at 3-0 up was never going to be in our hands what with City having 2 games in hand. The only way to get it real would have been to reduce that 9 GD to something like 3 or less. That's why we went for it, and we wanted to do it without having to rely on help from these other fuckers that have yet to play City, and are ready to bend over and take it up the arse. This season like many have said - we have witnessed a team with a winning mentality who want to play football, all it will take to polish it next season is to have a defensive leader on the pitch to balance our attacking intent.
 
Still in a state of shock. My first LFC game for 8 years and I can't believe it. 60 mins to go and we were cruising, I thought we would go onto to score 5 or something. If I'm being honest, we didn't look as up for it as I would have thought. I genuinely wonder whether we were tired. We seemed to lack that bitey edge, maybe that is where Hendo comes in?

Credit to Palace fans though, they were unbelievable. The Holmesdale Rd massive kept going on for the full 90. Credit to us too, my Palace mate said he hadn't seen away support like ours for a longtime. I hope I didn't jinx us though.
 
Now that everyone has cooled down - I have to say:-

"I FUCKING LOVE WHAT WE DID YESTERDAY"

Yeah - I said it, because when we went 3-0 up I think most people on here and the players included kind of felt OK, lets go and get this GD down to zero. No it was probably not the right thing to do BUT at least we had the guts and ambition to try. We know that the title even at 3-0 up was never going to be in our hands what with City having 2 games in hand. The only way to get it real would have been to reduce that 9 GD to something like 3 or less. That's why we went for it, and we wanted to do it without having to rely on help from these other fuckers that have yet to play City, and are ready to bend over and take it up the arse. This season like many have said - we have witnessed a team with a winning mentality who want to play football, all it will take to polish it next season is to have a defensive leader on the pitch to balance our attacking intent.

No, we don't - not as long as we had the points in the bag and Citeh still had to win their games. I agree that it's good to see us having the courage to go for it once we'd decided we needed to reduce that GD, but that decision was the wrong one. Closing the GD was never a realistic prospect, whereas a win last night would have made for a *very* nervous Citeh having to win against a Villa side which plays far better away from home and, on its day, counter-attacks very effectively (as we ourselves have found to our cost). I also think we need to improve the defence more extensively than you suggest. I'm optimistic that we will, but IMO we got it wrong last night.
 
Assuming we don't go on to win the league, I'm glad in a way that we dropped points last night and so our failure to do it hasn't boiled down to Gerrard's mistake.

If we missed out on goal difference after both us and City winning our last 2 games, it would have been galling. However, last night showed us that we are short.

We will lose out to the team with the highest wage bill in sport with an abundance of riches in their squad. Look at Dzeko coming in and scoring vital goals vs Palace and Everton. We have Moses to come on who misses an open goal or Aspas who can't pass a corner to a red shirt. No wonder we're short. We couldn't buy anyone in Jan. Last summer's window was crap and we missed out on all our primary targets. City should be having to explain why they're still 1 point behind us with 2 games to play.

What's pissing me off is how dismissive everyone is of us as though we've blown our only ever chance to win the league. This is the start of things to come. Imagine if we get (a) a decent back 4, and (b) some decent subs. With Coutinho, Sterling, Suarez and Sturridge we've got one of the best attacks in world football for years to come.

Plus, imagine if Villa get a win tomorrow somehow. Or West Ham do. Stranger things have happened.
 
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