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Modo's being an absolute cunt here, but you're all giving him what he wants: some sort of perception of self worth. If you all have a go, you're giving him the attention he craves. It's a cliché as old as the hills, but he's just after the attention.

It pains me a bit to say it because I like Modo, but he's being a cunt here. This will be many posters' lowest point of the season (Not me, I never get my hopes up for this very reason), so just don't be a dick for once and aggravate the hurt further. We're all in the same boat, there's no need to have arguments be it rising to the bait or stirring the shit in the first place.
 
We've still got a way to reach Spurs in terms of melt downs. We only drew 3-3 after being 3-0 up. They somehow contrived to get beat 5-3 once.
 
So a few points.

Can't we just agree to suffer togethor? Is it not enough to watch that soul-destroying last 15 minutes, without having to log onto a fucking Liverpool forum and get some small-time cunts posting self-congratulatory gifs of Daniel Agger to somehow vindicate a point they made 4 months ago.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I feel the exact same way when I read all this shit about Suarez maybe not deserving the Player of the Year Award, or his goals not quite being as valuable as someone else's. Don't you just enjoy watching him play? Don't you just think you know what, the cunt's scored 30+ goals for us, that deserves some leeway. It's as if there's more to be gained from being the controversial tool. We were 7th last year, and the year before that, and we've been shite for just about as long as I can remember. And we go from that to top of the league with a game to go, and everyone's quick to point the finger at Rodgers, or he lack of Daniel fucking Agger, or Suarez's 30 goals not being the right goals. I do not get that. There are times to be the cunt, and we can point the finger deservedly, but you know - other times it's OK to just be a fan and admit it hurts.

This is one of those times. We've effectively just lost the league. We don't need to log onto our own forums, and have our own fans trying to win points.

While we're on Daniel Agger. There's a reason why he was on the bench, and has been for half the season. There is. We've had 6+ years of Daniel Agger. We don't need another 12 minutes of him. He's been a good defender for 6 years, but has always made mistakes. Always. And now he can't get in the side. Skrtel's gone past him, Sakho's been preferred to him, and for the first half of the season - Rodgers chose Kolo Toure over him. He's the best ball-playing centre back in our squad, and our manager - who wants the fucking side to pass their way out of a phone box - still doesn't pick him. That's enough for me. What's the point in revisionism now? What's the point in wailing about him not getting a chance tonight? He's had 6 years of chances. He's 29 - isn't that when you're supposed to be at your peak as a centre back? Terry at 29 was a colossus, Vidic, Carvalho, Carragher. Those guys didn't sit on the bench when they were 29. Fuck right off with this 'Daniel Agger would have made the difference' shite.

I don't excuse Skrtel and Sakho either. Carragher and Neville were right, not good enough. It's almost as if this Liverpool side is waiting for it to get to parity at 3-3, cos then they can get on the front foot again. They don't know how to play any other way. You could see it coming tonight, 3-2 and everyone knows it's coming. You know they'll score. In the back of my mind I'm almost hoping they do get the third quickly, so then we've got enough time to try and go forward to get a 4th. Mad.

Skrtel reminds me of Mascherano. Reactive all the time. Launching into tackles, headers, bouncing balls. He prefers kamikaze football. How many times do you see him sliding on his arse to make tackles? Alan Hansen never went to ground. Tony Adams. Hyypia. Stand the fuck up and control your defence. Mascherano used to do that shite - it's like they prefer the game being played on the edge. Skrtel just throwing himself over the top of Chamakh all night trying to win headers. What's the point? You're on the fucking halfway line, Chamakh's going nowhere. Just stand him up and press him back. You don't have to fucking win every header. It's as if he compensates for his inability to manage a defence by overstretching himself into lunatic tackles - as if that's die-hard defending. It's not, your playing Crystal Palace - don't turn it into a fuckfest, just cool the game. Look at that third goal - all he wants to do is charge in to head it. Charging forward again. No cool head, no fucking game-management. How is he supposed to control a defence when he can't even control himself?

Anyway. Anyone else think we looked tired? Out on our legs pretty much. I kept thinking to myself during the second half - make a fucking change Brodge. But then you remind yourself of who he's got on there. A half-fit Coutinho, and Victor Moses. Pellegrino had David Silva, Negredo, Kolarov, Javi Garcia, Lescott, Navas on the bench at Goodison 2 days ago. There's 150 million quid right there. That's the difference I guess. We've all been saying it for months now - dropping too deep, inviting half-baked sides onto us in the second half, over-reliance on 2 or 3 players up front, and a makeshift defence. That's when mistakes happen - Mignolet coming waving at it away to Norwich, Gerrard, tonight's mess. Sure you need cool heads, sure you need to make the right defensive subs, sure you need to not make mistakes - but you also need fucking quality on the bench and in your squad to change shit up. We didn't and don't have that, and it's ultimately what's cost us. We're all lamenting Jordan Henderson's absence - sure he's a loss, but let's face it - he's not in the top half dozen players at the club, why do the walls come crumbling down when one player is missing for 3 games? Because we've got fuck all else to fill in for him.

You've got to admire the effort all season long though, and again tonight. Gerrard again killing himself all over the ground, Joe Allen who was the best player on the pitch by some way, Sterling - a kid trying to drag us into it, and Suarez. Suarez. He frustrated the shite out of me tonight to be truthful. But he bust his hole trying to win. Again and again and gain he fronted up trying to take the game on, but fatigue got the better of him in the end. As it did for John Flanagan who's form has dipped. He's a kid too, he needs support. And Coutinho who probably should have come on, but we've got fuck all alternatives, just as we had none last Sunday to we had to turn to Sturridge. It's why they were all so distraught at the final whistle - cos they've given everything they've got I guess.

That's admirable. Guys putting themselves out there - injured, fatigued, whatever - trying to win the league from 7th position. I'd prefer to focus on that, and take some joy in how hard they went for it. That's been the most enjoyable season of my life as a Liverpool supporter - I was too young to really remember what happened in the 80's. My whole adult life has been us doing bits and pieces of things, having the odd amazing night, but being a middling side really. And then this year we play football that I never dreamt we'd play, and we battered everyone - top sides too. I laughed watching us we were that good, game after game of just tearing sides apart. Isn't that what you hope your football club will one day give you - winning and doing it breathlessly? I'm amazed at the football we played, the results we got, and the 15, 45, 90 minute spells of football we strung together week after week. I've never known supporting Liverpool football club to be like this. We're a good side again. We've come up short, but not for the want of trying.

Dunno, maybe I'm being a sentimental dickhead, but that was probably the hardest 15 minutes of Liverpool-supporting I've ever had, I don't need then to read a load of point-scoring wank from our own straight after it.

Just be a fan.
 
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ha ..spurs of all clubs think they can have a go !



haha fucking hell, what a shit club

a draw and a park the bus defeat.. after a ridiculous amount of wins, yea the wheels really fell off
 
Modo's being an absolute cunt here, but you're all giving him what he wants: some sort of perception of self worth. If you all have a go, you're giving him the attention he craves. It's a cliché as old as the hills, but he's just after the attention.

It pains me a bit to say it because I like Modo, but he's being a cunt here. This will be many posters' lowest point of the season (Not me, I never get my hopes up for this very reason), so just don't be a dick for once and aggravate the hurt further. We're all in the same boat, there's no need to have arguments be it rising to the bait or stirring the shit in the first place.

I usually put Modo on ignore when we have a bad result. Then take him off the list after that when a new game has come around. It works pretty well for me - it's like sending the irritating kid in class to stand outside along the corridor away from your sight. You know he's being a nuisance and disrupting everything, but you also know that you want to bring him back in a while later because the kid does have his good days.
 
I don't want to hear a word of slagging, they all contributed this season but our squad is dog tired.

Emotionally tired I can understand but physically tired I don't. I posted this in the Squad Size thread prior to last night. Look at the number of games played by the Top 15 players at City/Chelsea ca. 42 vs our Top 15 players, 30.

The first player figure is the amount of players with over 5 games (starts & subs).

Liverpool : 21 players 25.6 ave. games per player. Top 15 players ave. 29.9 games per player. (thru 41 + 2 PL games to go) (actually this average shows how injuries/bans to our 1st team players have also hit LFC throughout the season because you can assume squad rotation for any team playing in European competition yet the difference between average games played per player (Top 15) and the clubs potential total is the same as most teams below)
Man City : 23 players 33.0 ave. games per player. Top 15 players ave. 41.5 games per player. (thru 55 + 2 PL games to go)
Chelsea : 23 players 33.3 ave. games per player. Top 15 players ave. 42.6 games per player. (thru 55 + 1 PL game to go)
Man. Utd : 26 players 28.7 ave. games per player. Top 15 players ave. 35.8 games per player. (thru 52 + 2 PL games to go)
Arsenal : 24 players 30.6 ave. games per player. Top 15 players ave. 38.7 games per player. (thru 55 + 1 PL game to go)
Spurs : 26 players 27.2 ave. games per player. Top 15 players ave. 33.7 games per player. (thru 53 + 1 PL game to go)
Everton : 22 players 29.0 ave. games per player. Top 15 players ave. 37.8 games per player. (thru 43 + 1 PL game to go)
 
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That's admirable. Guys putting themselves out there - injured, fatigued, whatever - trying to win the league from 7th position. I'd prefer to focus on that, and take some joy in how hard they went for it. That's been the most enjoyable season of my life as a Liverpool supporter - I was too young to really remember what happened in the 80's. My whole adult life has been us doing bits and pieces of things, having the odd amazing night, but being a middling side really. And then this year we play football that I never dreamt we'd play, and we battered everyone - top sides too. I laughed watching us we were that good, game after game of just tearing sides apart. Isn't that what you hope your football club will one day give you - winning and doing it breathlessly? I'm amazed at the football we played, the results we got, and the 15, 45, 90 minute spells of football we strung together week after week. I've never known supporting Liverpool football club to be like this. We're a good side again. We've come up short, but not for the want of trying.

Dunno, maybe I'm being a sentimental dickhead, but that was probably the hardest 15 minutes of Liverpool-supporting I've ever had, I don't need then to read a load of point-scoring wank from our own straight after it.

Just be a fan.

Often you just annoy Ryan but this is so spot on...really really well said....

We are a good side and to be shooting for top in the first week of May after finishing seventh .... its been fantastic lads, fantastic...

And I don't care if i'm being ludicrously optimistic but this woe is me shite is both unfair on the team and a tiny little bit premature...

City with a semi crocked Aguero and Toure against a counter attacking side next up...with there heads already on the trophy... Or if not Villa then a poxy Allardyce team.... I've seen stranger fucking things at sea...

we are a point up on the cunts.... we shoulda coulda ..... bollox.... whatever the fuck... we are still ahead of the cunts.......

I don't reckon we've got any right at all to be upset this season but I wont be crying unless we actually win the fucking thing
 
Great post @Ryan. Always say it's the easiest thing in the world to support a winning team. We've done remarkably well and the difference in squad options you point out is the key. We've still only been beaten once in 2014, we've played way beyond the level that the team deserves and it's still not over. City could fuck it up yet. Unlikely but still possible, we've matched two of the most expensively squads assembled ever toe for toe all season. Gut wrenching to fail in the final furlong but take some pride in our team this year, they're not perfect but they've earnt it.
 
You've got to admire the effort all season long though, and again tonight. Gerrard again killing himself all over the ground, Joe Allen who was the best player on the pitch by some way, Sterling - a kid trying to drag us into it, and Suarez. Suarez. He frustrated the shite out of me tonight to be truthful. But he bust his hole trying to win. Again and again and gain he fronted up trying to take the game on, but fatigue got the better of him in the end. As it did for John Flanagan who's form has dipped. He's a kid too, he needs support. And Coutinho who probably should have come on, but we've got fuck all alternatives, just as we had none last Sunday to we had to turn to Sturridge. It's why they were all so distraught at the final whistle - cos they've given everything they've got I guess.

That's admirable. Guys putting themselves out there - injured, fatigued, whatever - trying to win the league from 7th position. I'd prefer to focus on that, and take some joy in how hard they went for it. That's been the most enjoyable season of my life as a Liverpool supporter - I was too young to really remember what happened in the 80's. My whole adult life has been us doing bits and pieces of things, having the odd amazing night, but being a middling side really. And then this year we play football that I never dreamt we'd play, and we battered everyone - top sides too. I laughed watching us we were that good, game after game of just tearing sides apart. Isn't that what you hope your football club will one day give you - winning and doing it breathlessly? I'm amazed at the football we played, the results we got, and the 15, 45, 90 minute spells of football we strung together week after week. I've never known supporting Liverpool football club to be like this. We're a good side again. We've come up short, but not for the want of trying.

Dunno, maybe I'm being a sentimental dickhead, but that was probably the hardest 15 minutes of Liverpool-supporting I've ever had, I don't need then to read a load of point-scoring wank from our own straight after it.

Just be a fan.

Read this a few times lads ...

It has been a great season, and I've enjoyed it ... Highs and lows ... and here's hoping there's one more high to go ...

COME ON VILLA!
 
Been saying this for a while, but this diamond system really doesn't help us defensively. Full backs having to bust a lung all game to create width, leaving themselves exhausted and out of position in the last 20 minutes. No protection in front of them. Central midfielders having being dragged wide to help the full backs. No wonder Palace punished us at the end. Their biggest threat was their wide men and our system played straight into their hands.

In hindsight, when our 3rd went in or even at 3-1, we should have gone all Rafa on them, and gone 2 banks of 4. I would have told the full backs to sit, moved sterling in front of one of them, Coutinho in front of the other, and told Allen to sit in front of Lucas and Gerrard.

(In hindsight, Lucas was so bad I would have considered even bringing Kolo on to sit next to Gerrard)
 
Been saying this for a while, but this diamond system really doesn't help us defensively. Full backs having to bust a lung all game to create width, leaving themselves exhausted and out of position in the last 20 minutes. Not protection in front of them. Central midfielders having being dragged wide to help the full backs. No wonder Palace punished us at the end. Their biggest threat was their wide men and our system played straight into their hands.


It's a good point, but I don't think our back four dropping so deep late in games has helped the diamond. Look at Palace's 3rd goal last night - our midfield shape is actually OK - but you look behind them and Skrtel and Sakho are 10 yards too deep. That's not the diamond's fault - that's just braindead defending. Palace get two players in the hole, 3-3, lights out.
 
Great post Ryan. Exactly how most of us will be thinking and feeling.

As for the earlier antics in this thread...I've said numerous times about this carry-on from Modo, but people have defended his antics as, 'just an opinion'. Hopefully people might see through his attention seeking now. He's a WUM who's only interest is in pointing out his personal favourites and how form is somehow linked to his opinion of a player. He even got asked to jack it in, but still continued to make some childish, irrelevant point.
 
You have it wrong Mark - ever since those who will remain nameless led the 'KHL out' movement, Modo - as a fellow Scandanavian - has taken on the mantle of "Save the Danny" movement. I like Dagger, I do. However, it seems we're keeping him healthy so he can win La Liga next year with Barca ...
 
Carra saying right now that Sakho and Skrtel have played 17 and had one clean sheet together. SHIT.
I would honestly sell Sakho this summer, he's clearly not good enough; his positional sense is poor, he is very slow on the turn, clumsy in the tackle and his heading is erratic. I'd snap someone's hand off if they offered us £10m for him.
 
I would honestly sell Sakho this summer, he's clearly not good enough; his positional sense is poor, he is very slow on the turn, clumsy in the tackle and his heading is erratic. I'd snap someone's hand off if they offered us £10m for him.

I think I'd agree with that. But then he would probably much better with a Carra or Hyppia type player next to him. He's still young, so there's hope. Might be better to get rid of the old and bring in a very good leader of a defender in his late 20's to help all the players at the back.
 
It's a good point, but I don't think our back four dropping so deep late in games has helped the diamond. Look at Palace's 3rd goal last night - our midfield shape is actually OK - but you look behind them and Skrtel and Sakho are 10 yards too deep. That's not the diamond's fault - that's just braindead defending. Palace get two players in the hole, 3-3, lights out.

Great post earlier by the way. I am old enough to remember the glory days and although last night was not a decider it certainly feels like Arsenal 1989 all over again.
It seemed to me that our midfield was set up for the counter attack and there was just way too much space between them and the defence. As for the second goal why oh why have Skirtel AND Sahko up for a corner when we are 3-1 with 10 mins to go leaving just two defenders back. The Johnson criticism is so unfair, the guy has an impossible job and everything went down his side, he just looked exhausted. We have run out of steam around the 70min mark for the best part of two seasons now, something needs to be sorted, we haven't played many games and Crystal Palace had far too much energy compared to us considering the chasing they had to do.
 
now i'm not about to start a witch-hunt or anything but surely you can't make too many excuses for being 3 up against palace with 12 mins to go and finishing 3-3. Rodgers isn't in fairness .

And again just objectively , we do lack quality on the bench but a part of that is due to some average transfers made . We've go nothing from alberto or aspas as an example . Hopefully though with champions league to offer we won't have to make 'gamble' transfers anymore and will have more confidence that those signed will deliver .

anyway to sum this season up i think you can say ... Our attack deserves to be champions but our defensive side doesn't .
 
We were hoping for 5-0, that's why we lost. We didn't shut up shop. Wide open hoping for a few more.

This is why we let them back in. Remember that when someone bangs on about our (less than perfect) defense
 
I think every person here, at 3-0, was hoping we pushed on and got a few more. Nobody was calling for us to shut up shop. I'd much rather we went for it than gave up. Yeah, it was risky, and it didn't pay off, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.

It was at 3-2 that we should really have held off, but I think we just ran out of steam, and they had all the momentum. We're not used to shutting up shop either. It's actually been one of our strong points this year, that we don't. It's not easy to stop doing that with 20 minutes left of our 37th game without doing it.
 
I also think everyone is being a little harsh on Lucas. Yeah, he wasn't great, and hasn't been for the past few games. But he's had 7 years of playing one role for us, and now he's been asked to play a role that he's blatantly not suited to.

I'd rather he never played for us again if he's going to be asked to play that role. He's not good enough for it. I do think he's good enough to play the holding role(and I think he's proved it, despite others opinions), but with Gerrard now in that role, there's no need for Lucas to be playing at all. We'd be better off with anyone else really.
 
I also think everyone is being a little harsh on Lucas. Yeah, he wasn't great, and hasn't been for the past few games. But he's had 7 years of playing one role for us, and now he's been asked to play a role that he's blatantly not suited to.

I'd rather he never played for us again if he's going to be asked to play that role. He's not good enough for it. I do think he's good enough to play the holding role(and I think he's proved it, despite others opinions), but with Gerrard now in that role, there's no need for Lucas to be playing at all. We'd be better off with anyone else really.
He's been poor for 7 seasons Gerry it has nothing to do with the change of role and nothing to do with his injuries.
 
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