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rurikbird

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Overall, it's clear the title chase pressure got to the players. You could see it at Old Trafford and you could see it here. As we got more and more frustrated in the 2nd half, even defenders started making basic mistakes – Trent was so lucky his challenge wasn't in the penalty area; he definitely had no idea where he was at this point. But the attackers' boots were heavy-laden throughout. The movement, speed and the desire were all there, but the touch was off, the weight of passing was off, finishing was way off.

It's frustrating as fuck; we are clearly better than Everton and I thought Klopp found the right tactics to win – but the players' mentality let us down, simple as that. Maybe we'll be able to relax a little more now that we're chasing Man City, let's hope we can stay on their tail and wait for one slip up.
 
Label it whatever you want, it was a crap performance just like at United, we've dropped more points and trail the best squad in the league. People can say it might be a valuable point, that's the sort of thing you say when you're still playing consistently well. Our problem is we're dropping too many soft points and save the occasional rout, we too often look like we lack confidence or a different approach when our usual game plan isn't working.

City have the squad to cover for any injury or downturn in any individual form, we don't. They're less likely to drop points and are the more likely to hold their nerve over the course of the remaining run in. We lack winning experience, so when all these fans keep banging about dropping out of domestic cups being great, that's the sort of competition where you start to breed winning experience and develop a hunger and resolve to not fail.

We look like many of us expected/predicted, just short of the quality and winning experience to go all the way. It's not overreacting, just look at how we've played over the last 10 or so games. At the most crucial time we look out of sorts.
 
Our safety first midfield selection against a weakened Man Utd and an Everton side playing for a draw has cost us points.
If there isnt anybody attackihg from midfield then it easier to double up against our front 3. Whens the last time one of our midfield arrived late in the box or hit one in from the edge of thd area. Never happens.
 
Game should have been won 3-0 ... We had 4 really good chances, and we just didn't convert.

I thought our backline was fine, until it lost any semblance of protection. Robbo is not creating much anymore, which has greatly weakened our attacking play.

Gini was terrible - really poor. Couldn't control the ball, couldn't pass the ball - he should have been hooked off at half time. Milner, who replaced him, wasn't much better either.

Henderson was fine - had some great passes.

Fabinho - really should have scored his chance. He was one of our best players, despite one shocking pass.

Mane - worked his socks off. I think if he gets Salah's chances, we win this game comfortably ...

Origi - I don't think he did much wrong in this game. He worked hard to protect Robbo, and tried to get stuck in in the box ... Firmino, who replaced him, was shocking. Really poor again from Bobby.

Salah - His first two real chances were handled poorly. Those are chances you score, and poor touches - whatever - let him down. The third chance, when we broke with Milner, TAA and Mane giving him options and he shot? Selfish prick, this isn't 5-0 up against Watford. Really poor on his part. People can stop with these Messi comparisons ... We needed him today and he just didn't show up. I hope he does in the next 9 games obviously ...

Klopp - it seems he was happy with 2 points from the Mancs and Everton ... I know he came off pissed in the first game, and haven't seen his presser yet, but we didn't seem adventurous or calm. Tremendous tension on the players and it was just odd to see our team not perform remotely close to the level it's capable of. The sub of Lallana was a piss take. You have Shaq and Keita, who are far more dangerous and they're sitting ... This game, like the Manc game, cried out for a player who can carry the ball from the midfield - those two, or Ox - are what we're lacking big time.

Two points about Everton -
1) props for continual time wasting. Not sure how only 4 minutes of added time was given considering how they wasted time continually. Joke.
2) their fans celebrating a point? Yah, that says enough. Tomorrow they'll rip us, "we cost you the league" but that's a 'big time club'? Small time club - embarrassing.

Lastly, the league is not over. We didn't get a bounce like City did the last two games where they were poor and eeked out 1-0 wins. It happens. We're 1 point behind with 27 to play. Not ideal - but it's still there to win.
 
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2 winable games until the shitty international break Burnley at home and Fulham away we’re still in this despite poor results.
 
rurikbird said:
Overall, it's clear the title chase pressure got to the players. You could see it at Old Trafford and you could see it here. As we got more and more frustrated in the 2nd half, even defenders started making basic mistakes – Trent was so lucky his challenge wasn't in the penalty area; he definitely had no idea where he was at this point. But the attackers' boots were heavy-laden throughout. The movement, speed and the desire were all there, but the touch was off, the weight of passing was off, finishing was way off.

It's frustrating as fuck; we are clearly better than Everton and I thought Klopp found the right tactics to win – but the players' mentality let us down, simple as that. Maybe we'll be able to relax a little more now that we're chasing Man City, let's hope we can stay on their tail and wait for one slip up.
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Agreed, just have to keep going.

The next few months will be crazy so lets hope we can stay close to City and wait for a slip up. I know a fair few on here thinks we should go on holiday already, but we obviously should be fighting to the end for this.
 
ibromurph said:
We had 4 tough games on paper. 2 away, 2 at home.

We drew the 2 away. We need to win the 2 at home and win the other 7 games. No more points dropped. If we do that and keep believing. I think we win the league.
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I think if we win the next 9 games as you describe, it doesn't matter whether we keep believing.

Nothing about our form for the last couple months suggests that we will.
 
Reading some of the comments about it being all over in the match thread...fuck me ... i thought i was negative but seriously with just one point and 9 games to go..we are still well in this title challenge.
 
gkmacca said:
It really isn't a bad result, if you're being realistic.
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In isolation I'd agree, but a majority of our displays since Christmas have been lacklustre affairs.

Salah is burned out or focusing on the golden boot

Bobby hasn't been at the races

Shaqiri now is bad aids

Keita must also be bad bad aids

We look completely bereft of ideas.
 
Our form doesn't suggest we are about to win a title. Many other league campaigns we would be fine with this blip on a similar point total, but we are drawing more than we are winning.
 
Farkmaster said:
I think if we win the next 9 games as you describe, it doesn't matter whether we keep believing.

Nothing about our form for the last couple months suggests that we will.
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I get that. It'll be interesting to see how the team reacts to going behind in the title race.

We haven't been at our free-flowing best all season but if we keep defending well, there's still always hope that the attack "clicks".
 
We got drawn into playing long ball against a team with no midfield. Poor. What has Shaq done to become to out of favour? Lallaba offering fuck all, Hendo was anti football today bar one good pass. Quality in final third generally shite.
 
Yes he is Farky, but let's not act like he's had both arms cut off. There are options there that he doesn't want to use. For all of my support for Lallana over the years, it's not easy to sympathise with Klopp over today when Keita and Shaqiri stayed on the bench, while the side out there looked bereft of invention.
 
Oncy said:
Hes fucking beezer at finishing second in things yup.
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I think he'd have a better chance at finishing first if he had the likes of Mahrez, Jesus, Sane to call off the bench.

Don't forget who we are competing against.

70pts, 1 defeat, how many clean sheets, ordinarily would be a fantastic return. We just happen to be up against one of the best squads/teams ever assembled.
 
Pressure has gotten to the players. Has been the case for a few weeks. Only hope is that now we trail, the players will feel the pressure lift and we'll pip City to it as the fixtures mount up. Not confident though.
 
ibromurph said:
I think he'd have a better chance at finishing first if he had the likes of Mahrez, Jesus, Sane to call off the bench.

Don't forget who we are competing against.

70pts, 1 defeat, how many clean sheets, ordinarily would be a fantastic return. We just happen to be up against one of the best squads/teams ever assembled.
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.....here we go....

None of them played against us for Leicester, West Ham, United and Everton....

WE fucked this up, their squad has nothing to do with it.
 
Looking at the remaining fixtures it feels like we fucked it today. Maybe we're better at chasing but obviously that means it's in someone else's hands.

I'm not that annoyed with Klopp today, we created enough to win and had one gone in we might have dominated. Mo and Mane really disappointed, Milner and Bobby did whatever the opposite of hitting the ground running is.
 
After the city game, we all looked at these 2 games as the likely banana skins. From the run in, those are the 2 worst away fixtures (by a mile) done. We are now 1 point behind.

You know what, I still fancy us to do it.

From those aways against our bitterest rivals, 4 points would've be decent, 2 is poor, but both United and Everton played like their fucking lives depended on it.

No time, no space. You wouldn't expect anything less.

We won't face that again, it's shite now but City WILL drop some points, we just need to make sure we drop 2 less. We can do it, no one ever said it was gonna be easy. Don't throw the fucking towel in just yet...Imagine if Rocky had thrown the towel in when Apollo was getting his head smashed in by that Russian? Apollo would've looked like a right weak cunt!
 
mark1975 said:
Yes he is Farky, but let's not act like he's had both arms cut off. There are options there that he doesn't want to use. For all of my support for Lallana over the years, it's not easy to sympathise with Klopp over today when Keita and Shaqiri stayed on the bench, while the side out there looked bereft of invention.
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Today, we can argue he got his subs wrong, but we can't argue that he got his team selection wrong given the 3 guilt-edged chances we missed.

I don't remember Everton having any.
 
Mistadobalina said:
After the city game, we all looked at these 2 games as the likely banana skins. From the run in, those are the 2 worst away fixtures (by a mile) done. We are now 1 point behind.

You know what, I still fancy us to do it.

From those aways against our bitterest rivals, 4 points would've be decent, 2 is poor, but both United and Everton played like their fucking lives depended on it.

No time, no space. You wouldn't expect anything less.

We won't face that again, it's shite now but City WILL drop some points, we just need to make sure we drop 2 less. We can do it, no one ever said it was gonna be easy. Don't throw the fucking towel in just yet...Imagine if Rocky had thrown the towel in when Apollo was getting his head smashed in by that Russian? Apollo would've looked like a right weak cunt!
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Love it Bob. I need that.
 
Oncy said:
.....here we go....

None of them played against us for Leicester, West Ham, United and Everton....

WE fucked this up, their squad has nothing to do with it.
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Squad has everything to do with it when Firmino gets injured or isn't playing well and we can't bring on a similar level of quality.

When Aguero was injured. Jesus stepped up and scored crucial goals both this season and last.

Sane is out of form. Who steps up and scores yesterday? Mahrez.

Mahrez and Sane shite against West Ham. What does Pep do? Subs them off on 50mins for Silva and Sterling. Silva wins the crucial penalty.

We on the other hand had Mane and Salah not on form today, and who did we bring on? Adam 'spinning around' Lallana.

Against United? Daniel 'barely breaks a sweat' Sturridge came on.

We didn't fuck up. We've simply run out of gas/ideas in games without the same quality coming on to change it.
 
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