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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42345.msg1202863#msg1202863 date=1287675970]
Purslow is responsible for Hodgson's appointment, so I doubt whether the owners would take his opinions about Hodgson's replacement, after eight league games, very seriously.
[/quote]Since when has logic ever played any part in our decision making in the past 5years.
 
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I think Purslow's role is about to be largely ceremonial.
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Sacrificing babies to the dark lord, etc?
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No, that only happens at Salford. 8)
 
benlyt

For those who think #Pellegrini in #LFC running: he's in Qatar right now mulling over offer to coach Al-Sadd & then take over national team
 
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benlyt

For those who think #Pellegrini in #LFC running: he's in Qatar right now mulling over offer to coach Al-Sadd & then take over national team


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Someone should tell him to apply for the liverpool job, it would be much better than coaching Qatar or 1 of its shit teams
 
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benlyt

For those who think #Pellegrini in #LFC running: he's in Qatar right now mulling over offer to coach Al-Sadd & then take over national team


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Someone should tell him to apply for the liverpool job, it would be much better than coaching Qatar or 1 of its shit teams
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not money wise!
 
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benlyt

For those who think #Pellegrini in #LFC running: he's in Qatar right now mulling over offer to coach Al-Sadd & then take over national team


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Someone should tell him to apply for the liverpool job, it would be much better than coaching Qatar or 1 of its shit teams
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not money wise!
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Hmmmm you might easily make 3 years wages in a few months!! just ask Roy 😉
 
These are some of the youngsters that Rijkaard bought or promoted and used in his system. It is one thing to have promising young players in the club and it is another thing to trust them and use them as integral part of your system.

Motta (promoted)
Iniesta (promoted)
Valdez (Promoted)
Eto'o (Bought)
Ronaldinho (Bought)
Messi (promoted)
Oleguer (promoted)
Dos Santos (promoted)
Bojan (promoted)
etc..

He never tried to buy a goal keeper to sit on the bench. He always relied on a goal keeper from his youth system to do that job. Valdez was actually promoted to number 1 goal keeper slot by him. He has promoted and used some of the lesser known players as well in addition to the marquee players. So its not all because of the incredible Barca youth system.

Everybody wants a manager like Wenger, but Rijkaard is the only manager who has actually done something close to that. In my opinion, he would be the smart choice to rebuild from where we are.
 
Thats all well and good when you have the likes of Messi, Iniesta, Valdez to promote from the youth team.

However, if you dont have the talent, its pointless. Do we honestly have that kind of quality in our youth setup?
 
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*deep breath*
 
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Thats all well and good when you have the likes of Messi, Iniesta, Valdez to promote from the youth team.

However, if you dont have the talent, its pointless. Do we honestly have that kind of quality in our youth setup?
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I'd be happy, if we can promote people off the caliber of Motta, Valdez and Oleguer for the squad. We don't need the Barca youth system for that, Liverpool's will do. It's easy to see the Ronaldinho and Messi, but its not so easy to see the average players he wsely used, whch allowed for funds to be used in getting marquee players for the first team. Under Rafa, we were completely dependent on transfer budget, to fill each and every single position in the squad. If we are going to go down that path from where we are, we will need massive amount of Cash to get back to the top. We don't have that kind of money.

That is exactly why we need someone like Wenger. Rijkaard seems like the closest bet. It is a gamble, every appointment at this stage is, but it seems like a much better bet than Pelegrini - who has won nothing, and done nothing notable.
 
Pellegrini would have beed a good choice to do this "safe pair of hands" business, but we chose Roy for that.

What we need now is a long term appointment with a vision. Does 60+ year old pellegrino fit he bill? I don't think so.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=42345.msg1202807#msg1202807 date=1287673331]
Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher insists the whole squad are fully behind under-fire boss Roy Hodgson and it is up to them to start impressing the manager.

Hodgson has found himself under increasing pressure with the Reds enduring their worst start to a season in over half a century.

Liverpool are languishing second from bottom of the table after taking just six points from their opening eight games and speculation is circulating over Hodgson's future in the wake of the recent takeover at Anfield.

Carragher has rallied behind the former Fulham chief and insists it is important they stick together to overcome their wretched form.

"It is very early days in the season and there is a lot of time to go," he said.

"It hasn't always been rosy playing for Liverpool. Last season wasn't great and I remember going 12 games without a win under Gerard Houllier, so it has not always been plain sailing.
Rocky patch

"It is a little rocky patch we are going through at the moment but as long as the players, manager and supporters all stick together it won't be a problem.

"The spirit in the dressing room is fine but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out if you win games it is a lot better.

"The manager is the boss and we should be trying to impress him, not the other way around."

Carragher also defended Hodgson's decision to rest key duo Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres for Thursday's Europa League clash against Napoli.

The Reds defender believes it is more important to rotate players, especially those who have had injury problems.

Big squad

"Steven and Fernando are not here but you have to understand that these days it is a long season and you need a big squad and they are players that have played through summers for years on end," added Carragher.

"Stevie also played through the international break and if you continued with him and Fernando they would eventually break down and you'd complain about that.

"The club are treating them in the right way, physically, and hopefully that will prove right towards the end of the season."
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That's the most limp backing of a new Manager I've ever seen.

If Jamie Carragher can't show a bit of passion in your defence, then you're just about fucked.
 
kingjulian> i'm not completely convinced about this rijkaard/wenger comparison. for me wenger's success with youth comes down to 3 things:

1. his reforms of arsenal's entire youth system which took years to bear fruit.
2. his perhaps unique ability to spot and sign-up promising young players like anelka, clichy, and fabregas.
3. his willingness to give them a chance in the first team.

rijkaard has shown competence in the last, and imo least critical, of those areas - albeit with some spectacularly gifted players.

i just don't know about him, he's got a lot of really good things in his favour and just as many really worrying ones. i can't shake my overall impression that he was more of a figurehead than a manager at barca, especially given the stories that he was never really interested in the training or tactics and was over-reliant on an excellent support staff.

is he really going to stick around here for 10 years, build the club in his image, work 16 hour days, and go toe-to-toe with some of the grittiest bastards the game's ever known like ferguson? does he have that force of character? to borrow a 'phrase' - hmmmmmmmm.
 
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kingjulian>
figurehead
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Nah mate, i'm not buying it.

This is his career so far:

Netherlands - roaring success. That Holland team played some great football, but they did have some fantastic players too. They went out in the semi-final on penalties. They defeated a very strong French team in the tournament too.

Rotterdam - Failed. He was working at a club in financial crisis. We all know how difficult that can get, having seen it first hand at our club.

Barcelona - Success. Barcelona had finished 4th, 4th and 6th in 2000, 2001, and 2002, and they were at least 30 points behind the league winners in each of the seasons. Some of the stars such as Kluivert and Overmars were simply not performing anymore. Players were identified to be moved on, and some new players were brought in and some of the youngsters on the fringes were promoted to be central figures to the team. After 3 very good years, Barca had become accustomed to winning and in 2006 they finished 2nd despite of a very strong start, and some dressing-room unrest between players and Rijkaard was claimed as the relation-in for the loss of form in the run. From that point on Rijkaard was on borrowed time, and he was eventually fired the next term.

Gala - I don't know much about this. But these are the facts. In 2008 season Galatasary finished 5th and 20 points behind the leaders. Rijkaard took over and lead the team to 3rd placed finish in 2009 and they were 10 points behind the leaders. In spite of getting out-spent by Fener, Besiktas etc, he has managed to keep the team in third place even in 2010. So his sacking, from where i'm sitting, seems more knee-jerk/engineered than a failure.


You sound like you hold him responsible for all his failures but give the praise to someone else for all his success. He is not a chancer....far from it.

These are the facts
He is young,
He is accomplished,
He is quite experienced for a manager his age.

These are what i infer from his career so far
He is not afraid of blooding very young players in the first team,
He likes to set his team to play attacking football and win games,
He can compete at the top end on a shoe-string budget and has not ever complained about a lack of spending at any club he has been.

I agree that this is a gamble. But this seems a safer bet than, any thing else at the moment.

I think, i'll be happy with his appointment. Especially if the other option is Pellegrini, who has done nothing and is probably at the end of his career.

I'm amazed that some posters discredit Rijkaard winning the league by saying "La-Liga was weak" etc, but Pelligrini's only credible achievement in Europe was getting Villareal to finish 4th, 7th, 5th and 2nd in the same weak La-Liga.
 
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benlyt

For those who think #Pellegrini in #LFC running: he's in Qatar right now mulling over offer to coach Al-Sadd & then take over national team


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Someone should tell him to apply for the liverpool job, it would be much better than coaching Qatar or 1 of its shit teams
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not money wise!
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True, but money is not everything.

Id much rather coach a club like liverpool on smaller wages, than move to Qatar and coach some shit team for more money. i guess everyone is different tho
 
julian> i think you got me wrong a bit, i'm not dead against rijkaard, like i said i think he's got loads of positives, but i just think there are plenty of question marks.

but i'd absolutely love you to be right, as watching a successful LFC side play that kind of football would be an absolute joy - i want to believe. FWIW i think the positives are:

- real standing in the game. would restore a bit of glamour/pride to the club. would measure up to the position.
- be a great draw for new players.
- experience of winning the biggest trophies.
- experience of dealing with the biggest stars.
- that wonderful football.
- bold approach with young players.
- young and clearly intelligent.
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42345.msg1203437#msg1203437 date=1287738054]
I agree with all of that!
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*pats head*

*administers chocolate treat*
 
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Rijkaard is 50 right?
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48
 
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Rijkaard is 50 right?
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48
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You know black don't crack. He looks no where near 48.
 
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[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42345.msg1203464#msg1203464 date=1287739666]
Rijkaard is 50 right?
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48
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You know black don't crack. He looks no where near 48.
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lies, I'm 28 and look 50
 
I knew you weren't black Neil. Cos usually it's the other way round, someone who's 50 would look 28.

Light skinded, huh?
 
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[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42345.msg1203464#msg1203464 date=1287739666]
Rijkaard is 50 right?
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48
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You know black don't crack. He looks no where near 48.
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lies, I'm 28 and look 50
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To be fair FR looked more like 35 when he was 28 too,, so dont worry. You will still look like 50 when you turn 55!!! 😉
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42345.msg1203682#msg1203682 date=1287754480]
I knew you weren't black Neil. Cos usually it's the other way round, someone who's 50 would look 28.

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Not if you're black and live in Africa. You'd be dead.
 
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