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[quote author=dmishra link=topic=42345.msg1202718#msg1202718 date=1287663166]
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42345.msg1202716#msg1202716 date=1287663001]
I definitely don't want Pellegrini.

He sounds like the Brazilian Roy Hodgson.
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He's Chilean.
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Should be good at getting us out of a hole then?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42345.msg1202706#msg1202706 date=1287661726]
He got qualified Villarreal for the first time in their history by finishing 3rd in his first season. The following season he took them to within a missed penalty of the CL final.

His teams were well organized, played very good football and through a very good scouting network, coaching system and clear sporting direction, they over-achieved for a club of their size.

This earned him a chance at the Real Madrid job and he achieved their all-time record points total in La Liga, the 2nd highest total in La Liga history, despite being consistently undermined within the club and by the 'impartial' press.

He's not a 'name' manager and he's not won anything in Europe (although in any other season, he'd have won the title with Real), but he's done well in his career.

I suppose you could draw some obvious parallels to Roy Hodgson's career, but in my humble opinion he's a better manager.
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So he's managed Real for a season and won fuck all with them?

We could as well sign John Toshack then.
 
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42345.msg1202498#msg1202498 date=1287645482]
Former Real Madrid coach Manuel Pellegrini has revealed that he never had a say in how los Merengues played during his season-long reign at the Bernabeu and stated that he did not speak to club president Florentino Perez once since last August.

While he had little say in their style of play, Pellegrini was adamant that it was he who picked the team.

"The coach never had a voice to say how we needed to play but I played who I felt had to play and wasn't under pressure to pick who they [the board] wanted," he said as quoted by AS, before noting that he never knew the club president but will shake his hand if he does meet him again.
"It was he [Perez] who brought me to Madrid. I could not do what he wanted, but it was very difficult to maintain a relationship. It was a difficult season.

"I have not talked to him since August. I would have liked to have known him better as president and him known me as a coach, I don't know him either as an individual or as president. I leave an important job done but the president has every right in the world to change the coaching direction of the club."

"I do not know him either as individual or as president. I don't have anything good or bad to say about him. When I see the president I will take his hand and say that for me I am proud to have been coach of Real Madrid and I think now I leave having done an important job."

The sacked Chilean also declared that he was never consulted about the sale of Wesley Sneijder and Arjen Robben, departures he lamented as mistakes on the part of the club.

"I wanted Sneijder and Robben to stay but I never had a conversation at Real Madrid about who I preferred, if it was Cristiano or Kaka and Sneijder and Robben," he added.

"He decided to sell [Robben and Sneijder], and I think that was wrong. I never had a confrontation with the president. The coach should have had a more important voice in what the team needs. At that point I felt small."

The Chilean fired a sarcastic parting shot at his former employers stating that had the club played in his way perhaps they would have won all their home games and scored more goals.
"Who knows, if the team played with wingers maybe we would have won 19 games in the Bernabeu and scored 120 goals," he noted.
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atleast he would buy us wingers..
 
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=42345.msg1202732#msg1202732 date=1287664749]
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42345.msg1202498#msg1202498 date=1287645482]
Former Real Madrid coach Manuel Pellegrini has revealed that he never had a say in how los Merengues played during his season-long reign at the Bernabeu and stated that he did not speak to club president Florentino Perez once since last August.

While he had little say in their style of play, Pellegrini was adamant that it was he who picked the team.

"The coach never had a voice to say how we needed to play but I played who I felt had to play and wasn't under pressure to pick who they [the board] wanted," he said as quoted by AS, before noting that he never knew the club president but will shake his hand if he does meet him again.
"It was he [Perez] who brought me to Madrid. I could not do what he wanted, but it was very difficult to maintain a relationship. It was a difficult season.

"I have not talked to him since August. I would have liked to have known him better as president and him known me as a coach, I don't know him either as an individual or as president. I leave an important job done but the president has every right in the world to change the coaching direction of the club."

"I do not know him either as individual or as president. I don't have anything good or bad to say about him. When I see the president I will take his hand and say that for me I am proud to have been coach of Real Madrid and I think now I leave having done an important job."

The sacked Chilean also declared that he was never consulted about the sale of Wesley Sneijder and Arjen Robben, departures he lamented as mistakes on the part of the club.

"I wanted Sneijder and Robben to stay but I never had a conversation at Real Madrid about who I preferred, if it was Cristiano or Kaka and Sneijder and Robben," he added.

"He decided to sell [Robben and Sneijder], and I think that was wrong. I never had a confrontation with the president. The coach should have had a more important voice in what the team needs. At that point I felt small."

The Chilean fired a sarcastic parting shot at his former employers stating that had the club played in his way perhaps they would have won all their home games and scored more goals.
"Who knows, if the team played with wingers maybe we would have won 19 games in the Bernabeu and scored 120 goals," he noted.
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atleast he would buy us wingers..
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Ha! Now that is a fucking good point Zlatan.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42345.msg1202708#msg1202708 date=1287662173]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42345.msg1202644#msg1202644 date=1287656536]
Pellegrini is top of my wanted list.
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Is this a "wanted and currently out of a job" list?

Because that's a fucking short list, with him and FR on it.

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Its a "Who can we realistically get" list.

There are many managers we can get, but top of that list would be Pellegrini for me. He has shown he is not afraid to put out the team exactly how he wants it (benching big name signins if needed) and he has shown he wants to see an attracctive attacking football being played. He is not a youngster, but he would definately know his place in the dressing room. He dont know the prem league, so he might be in for a few surprises but that will be the same for others too.
 
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=42345.msg1202730#msg1202730 date=1287664610]
So he's managed Real for a season and won fuck all with them?

We could as well sign John Toshack then.
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That's a shit reply and you know it.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42345.msg1202742#msg1202742 date=1287666133]
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=42345.msg1202730#msg1202730 date=1287664610]
So he's managed Real for a season and won fuck all with them?

We could as well sign John Toshack then.
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That's a shit reply and you know it.
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Well it was kind of tongue in cheek, yes.

But the truth is, Pellegrini is light years away from being LFC material.

And you know it.
 
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=42345.msg1202744#msg1202744 date=1287666463]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42345.msg1202742#msg1202742 date=1287666133]
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=42345.msg1202730#msg1202730 date=1287664610]
So he's managed Real for a season and won fuck all with them?

We could as well sign John Toshack then.
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That's a shit reply and you know it.
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Well it was kind of tongue in cheek, yes.

But the truth is, Pellegrini is light years away from being LFC material.

And you know it.
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Hmmm I am a little surprised with you seeing him that hopeless. He had both Villareal and Real Madrid playing very good footie, hence he must have a good idea about how he wants his team to play. He has been around long enough to be respected, and he obviously has a good eye for who will fit his style (Ref he would rather have Snejder and Robben than Kaka i.e.). That they did not win the La Liga when he was in charge is down to coincidents more than he is a poor coach.
 
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=42345.msg1202744#msg1202744 date=1287666463]
But the truth is, Pellegrini is light years away from being LFC material.

And you know it.
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Heh, well you asked a question and I gave you a reasoned argument in response.

How about you do the same instead of handing out one-liners?
 
* trophies won
* league titles won
* the manager's style of play
* the ability to handle big egos
* the ability to bring through youth
* the ability to spot talent
* the ability to change games he is losing a grip on
* the ability to handle the press
* the ability to assemble a squad
* the ability to spot when it's time to release a player past his best
* the ability to get the best out of players

if a manager had the majority of the above but had won very little (pellegrini for example) then would still want that manager because it would only be a matter of time because he did win big trophies.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42345.msg1202756#msg1202756 date=1287666805]
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=42345.msg1202744#msg1202744 date=1287666463]
But the truth is, Pellegrini is light years away from being LFC material.

And you know it.
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Heh, well you asked a question and I gave you a reasoned argument in response.

How about you do the same instead of handing out one-liners?
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Well, in fact Ian did already give the correct answer a few posts above.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42345.msg1202757#msg1202757 date=1287666902]
* trophies won
* league titles won
* the manager's style of play
* the ability to handle big egos
* the ability to bring through youth
* the ability to spot talent
* the ability to change games he is losing a grip on
* the ability to handle the press
* the ability to assemble a squad
* the ability to spot when it's time to release a player past his best
* the ability to get the best out of players

if a manager had the majority of the above but had won very little (pellegrini for example) then would still want that manager because it would only be a matter of time because he did win big trophies.
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So eventually Pellegrini will win something because it´s only a matter of time?

He's almost 60. How much time does he have left?
 
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=42345.msg1202768#msg1202768 date=1287667580]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42345.msg1202757#msg1202757 date=1287666902]
* trophies won
* league titles won
* the manager's style of play
* the ability to handle big egos
* the ability to bring through youth
* the ability to spot talent
* the ability to change games he is losing a grip on
* the ability to handle the press
* the ability to assemble a squad
* the ability to spot when it's time to release a player past his best
* the ability to get the best out of players

if a manager had the majority of the above but had won very little (pellegrini for example) then would still want that manager because it would only be a matter of time because he did win big trophies.
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So eventually Pellegrini will win something because it´s only a matter of time?

He's almost 60. How much time does he have left?
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let's say your cut off point is 50 years old as you want a young manager, you are discounting

capello
pellegrini
hiddink
lippi
van gaul
del bosque
 
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=42345.msg1202766#msg1202766 date=1287667465]
Well, in fact Ian did already give the correct answer a few posts above.
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There wasn't much substance to the argument presented.

Nevermind. The basis seems to be "underwhelmed" without the ability to really expand upon that beyond "he's old" and "he's not got any trophies in Europe to his name".

Which in fairness aren't bad arguments, but don't really tell you much about his qualities as a coach. Redknapp was older when he took over Spurs and won less, yet he's done a good job there so far.
 
for the record

1. rijkaard
he took over a barca team that was treading water, made shrewed signings like davids, eto'o and deco and introduced some quality young players. it's all well and good saying well my mother could have managed barca to success with the talent they had in display but barca have had some of the most gifted players EVER on their books and before rijkaards arrival they had won the european cup a grand total of ONCE. admittedly he had a brilliant number two and the board were fantastic as well.

2. flores (atletico madrid)
young, hungry, plays fantastic football and has just won the uefa cup. he beat roy in the final, we went for the loser. that makes PERFECT SENSE.

3. emery (valencia)
young, hungry, plays fantastic football, has valencia challenging again for the first time since rafa left.

4. hiddink
good, relieable, teams play great football, did a great job for chelsea and his international teams almost always overachieve.

5. pellegrini
did a fantastic job for villa real and earned the highest points in real's history (despite not winning the league).
team play fantastic football, are physically imposing and are solid at the back.

I would be happy with any of the above, each one of them is a gamble but then even jose mourinho would be a gamble (given our position and quality of squad) but some are less of a gamble than others.
 
You make a very reasonable point in your last paragraph Neil. Its us that are the gamble at the moment for whoever takes the job on. Admittedly an exciting gamble, but a gamble nonetheless
 
But the two young Spaniards might find hell over here, and we dont know how they will tackle it, while i.e. Pellegrini have been out a tough night before and is probably more resistant to shake off critisism (while he learns this league) and shape his team....

And for winning trophies. The main point right now is to survive!!!
 
neil has single-handedly turned the words 'young, hungry, manager' into one of football's top clichés.

i'm torn if it's a choice between rijkaard and pellegrini. on the one hand, i'm really, really not convinced that rijkaard could replicate his barca success at a club like liverpool, on the other hand zlatan is in favour of pellegrini.
 
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42345.msg1202782#msg1202782 date=1287670262]
But the two young Spaniards might find hell over here, and we dont know how they will tackle it, while i.e. Pellegrini have been out a tough night before and is probably more resistant to shake off critisism (while he learns this league) and shape his team....

And for winning trophies. The main point right now is to survive!!!
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I doubt flores or emery would leave their current jobs are they are both doing really well, why give that up for a club is disarray? okay, other than the huge wage hike 😉
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42345.msg1202784#msg1202784 date=1287670600]
neil has single-handedly turned the words 'young, hungry, manager' into one of football's top clichés.

i'm torn if it's a choice between rijkaard and pellegrini. on the one hand, i'm really, really not convinced that rijkaard could replicate his barca success at a club like liverpool, on the other hand zlatan is in favour of pellegrini.
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'young and satiated' just doesn't roll off the tounge 🙂
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42345.msg1202785#msg1202785 date=1287670702]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42345.msg1202782#msg1202782 date=1287670262]
But the two young Spaniards might find hell over here, and we dont know how they will tackle it, while i.e. Pellegrini have been out a tough night before and is probably more resistant to shake off critisism (while he learns this league) and shape his team....

And for winning trophies. The main point right now is to survive!!!
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I doubt flores or emery would leave their current jobs are they are both doing really well, why give that up for a club is disarray? okay, other than the huge wage hike 😉
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how did flores get on overall at valencia? he was sacked in the end, wasn't he, although in extenuating circs i'm guessing?

personally i think i'd prefer either him or emery to rijkaard or pellegrini, but i don't think they'll happen so personally i prefer to concentrate on people who've at least been linked to the job. FWIW, though, i doubt we'd have much trouble convincing either of them to come here, and not just because of the money: i think we offer a coach potential success and long-term job security was higher than that given by AM or valencia.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42345.msg1202788#msg1202788 date=1287671351]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42345.msg1202785#msg1202785 date=1287670702]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42345.msg1202782#msg1202782 date=1287670262]
But the two young Spaniards might find hell over here, and we dont know how they will tackle it, while i.e. Pellegrini have been out a tough night before and is probably more resistant to shake off critisism (while he learns this league) and shape his team....

And for winning trophies. The main point right now is to survive!!!
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I doubt flores or emery would leave their current jobs are they are both doing really well, why give that up for a club is disarray? okay, other than the huge wage hike 😉
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how did flores get on overall at valencia? he was sacked in the end, wasn't he, although in extenuating circs i'm guessing?

personally i think i'd prefer either him or emery to rijkaard or pellegrini, but i don't think they'll happen so personally i prefer to concentrate on people who've at least been linked to the job. FWIW, though, i doubt we'd have much trouble convincing either of them to come here, and not just because of the money: i think we offer a coach potential success and long-term job security was higher than that given by AM or valencia.
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Agree with this; I also think that whilst we're still in a mess, we're slowly clambering our way out of the disarray Neil speaks of.

With due respect, we still represent a far bigger name to a coach than either AM or Valencia.
 
Surely our main concern is stopping Hodgson selling \\\\(Giving ) away Torres.

Carragher has apparently come out in Roy's support (soccer wide)

Somebody has to get a grip of this mess quickly .Very Quickly.

Frank Rijkaard or Kenny . Must happen soon. I'm starting to feel a poem coming on.
 
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6458495,00.html?

Frank Rijkaard's agent insists they have not been approached by Liverpool about possibly replacing Roy Hodgson at Anfield.

Hodgson's future at Liverpool has come under intense scrutiny following a disastrous start to the season.

Rijkaard has been mentioned as a possible replacement with the Dutchman being made the strong favourite by Sky Bet following his departure from Galatasaray earlier this week.

However, Rijkaard's representative, Perry Overeem, insists he has had no contact with Liverpool and that the former Barcelona boss will not be rushing any decision over his future.

No approach

"We have not been approached by Liverpool," Overeem told Sky Sports News HD.

"Frank's not thinking about any job at the moment - he wants to put what's happened in Turkey behind him.

"Frank's still in Turkey.

"Whenever we are approached, if we are approached, we will deal with that then but it's not helpful to get into rumours at this stage."
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[quote author=Cerberus link=topic=42345.msg1202796#msg1202796 date=1287672221]
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6458495,00.html?

Frank Rijkaard's agent insists they have not been approached by Liverpool about possibly replacing Roy Hodgson at Anfield.

Hodgson's future at Liverpool has come under intense scrutiny following a disastrous start to the season.

Rijkaard has been mentioned as a possible replacement with the Dutchman being made the strong favourite by Sky Bet following his departure from Galatasaray earlier this week.

However, Rijkaard's representative, Perry Overeem, insists he has had no contact with Liverpool and that the former Barcelona boss will not be rushing any decision over his future.

No approach

"We have not been approached by Liverpool," Overeem told Sky Sports News HD.

"Frank's not thinking about any job at the moment - he wants to put what's happened in Turkey behind him.

"Frank's still in Turkey.

"Whenever we are approached, if we are approached, we will deal with that then but it's not helpful to get into rumours at this stage."
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*sobs like a baby*


roy is going to be given the season, isn't he?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42345.msg1202779#msg1202779 date=1287669768]
for the record

1. rijkaard
he took over a barca team that was treading water, made shrewed signings like davids, eto'o and deco and introduced some quality young players. it's all well and good saying well my mother could have managed barca to success with the talent they had in display but barca have had some of the most gifted players EVER on their books and before rijkaards arrival they had won the european cup a grand total of ONCE. admittedly he had a brilliant number two and the board were fantastic as well.

2. flores (atletico madrid)
young, hungry, plays fantastic football and has just won the uefa cup. he beat roy in the final, we went for the loser. that makes PERFECT SENSE.

3. emery (valencia)
young, hungry, plays fantastic football, has valencia challenging again for the first time since rafa left.

4. hiddink
good, relieable, teams play great football, did a great job for chelsea and his international teams almost always overachieve.

5. pellegrini
did a fantastic job for villa real and earned the highest points in real's history (despite not winning the league).
team play fantastic football, are physically imposing and are solid at the back.

I would be happy with any of the above, each one of them is a gamble but then even jose mourinho would be a gamble (given our position and quality of squad) but some are less of a gamble than others.
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And where would Juande Ramos fit into that list?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42345.msg1202798#msg1202798 date=1287672425]
[quote author=Cerberus link=topic=42345.msg1202796#msg1202796 date=1287672221]
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6458495,00.html?

Frank Rijkaard's agent insists they have not been approached by Liverpool about possibly replacing Roy Hodgson at Anfield.

Hodgson's future at Liverpool has come under intense scrutiny following a disastrous start to the season.

Rijkaard has been mentioned as a possible replacement with the Dutchman being made the strong favourite by Sky Bet following his departure from Galatasaray earlier this week.

However, Rijkaard's representative, Perry Overeem, insists he has had no contact with Liverpool and that the former Barcelona boss will not be rushing any decision over his future.

No approach

"We have not been approached by Liverpool," Overeem told Sky Sports News HD.

"Frank's not thinking about any job at the moment - he wants to put what's happened in Turkey behind him.

"Frank's still in Turkey.

"Whenever we are approached, if we are approached, we will deal with that then but it's not helpful to get into rumours at this stage."
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*sobs like a baby*


roy is going to be given the season, isn't he?
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Impossible.

If NESV has taken any interest in the situation they'd see that sticking with Roy will lead to nothing but disaster.

They can't be that stupid.
 
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