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A pretty good article from Pearce about the dangers of panic-buying as exemplified by the "super-Mario" saga. I made this point earlier too as regards to the left-back – it's better to wait for your first-choice targets than to settle on someone not good enough.

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Blood Red: No panic buys with Klopp as Balotelli saga teaches Liverpool a costly lesson
05:00, 3 SEP 2016
BY JAMES PEARCE
For all the moans and groans from fans about the club's failure to sign a new left-back this week, maybe lessons have been learned from the past

It all sounded so eerily familiar.
“We know it’s a risk,” said Nice president Jean-Pierre Rivere when he faced the media in the south of France on Friday afternoon.
“We know Mario’s past, but it is a risk that I am happy to take.”
Liverpool owe Rivere a debt of gratitude. He was the driving force behind a deal which finally allowed the Reds to draw a line under one of the most disastrous signings in their history.
Nice boss Lucien Favre shuffled uneasily in his seat alongside both Rivere and Mario Balotelli at the player’s unveiling as the coach confessed: “We do not really know yet where Mario is physically. But we will work on his movement.”
Yeah, good luck with that one.

It’s a source of great relief to Liverpool that Balotelli is no longer their problem but how they came to sign the Italian in the first place remains nothing short of ludicrous.
In the summer of 2014 the Reds had just come within a whisker of winning the Premier League title, playing the most exciting brand of attacking football Kopites had seen for nearly a quarter of a century.
They also knew they were highly likely to lose their prized asset in Luis Suarez with the release clause which had been inserted in his new contract the previous December leaving them helpless to stop him from moving on.
When Barcelona firmed up their interest in the gifted Uruguayan frontman that June, the writing was on the wall. The Catalans claimed they paid £65million with the Reds adamant it was a £75million deal.

Either way there was both cash and time aplenty for Liverpool, who were back in the Champions League, to identify and secure the services of a world class replacement. It didn’t happen.
Their first choice would certainly have fitted the bill but Alexis Sanchez spurned the Reds advances and headed for Arsenal instead with the Chilean attacker telling Anfield officials his wife wanted the bright lights of the capital.
After that it was one long tale of woe. The £8.5million release clause of QPR striker Loic Remy was triggered but a move for the Frenchman then collapsed on medical grounds.
Next on their list was Swansea’s Wilfried Bony but his wage demands meant Liverpool didn’t pursue their interest.
Suddenly, they were making enquiries about the availability of stellar names such as Monaco’s Radamel Falcao, Paris Saint-Germain’s Edinson Cavani and Real Madrid’s Karim Benzema.

Nothing came off. There didn’t seem to be a coherent plan. It was all horribly scattergun.
With the September 1 deadline looming and Liverpool fast running out of options, Brendan Rodgers was given a choice - Balotelli or free agent Samuel Eto’o. With Eto’o 34 and a long way past his best, Rodgers went for the younger man.
Just 18 days earlier, the manager had told reporters at Miami’s Sun Life Stadium: “I can categorically tell you Mario Balotelli will not be at Liverpool.” Away from the cameras, he was equally adamant it wouldn’t happen.
At the time he believed that but over the weeks that followed he had to lower his sights significantly.
Despite the various attempts since to shift blame, no members of Anfield’s transfer committee emerged well from that sorry episode.
Liverpool pressed on with the deal in the misplaced belief that at £16million (around half what AC Milan had been touting Balotelli around for earlier that window) it was a no-brainer.

The feeling was that if Balotelli knuckled down and realised his potential the Reds would have a £50million striker on their hands. And if he did play the fool there would always be another club willing to give Liverpool back what they paid for him.
Inserting behavioural clauses in the player’s contract, Rodgers believed he could succeed where the likes of Jose Mourinho and Roberto Mancini had failed and tame the Palermo-born frontman. He was wrong.
Liverpool signed a striker who was the polar opposite to Suarez in terms of work rate and movement. Balotelli never threatened to fit the bill and the folly of that deal was then laid bare by Daniel Sturridge’s subsequent injury problems.
Balotelli's lack of professionalism and commitment around the training ground was glaring. He was always first out the door.
That "calculated gamble" Rodgers spoke about was a panic buy at the back end of the window and a costly one as Liverpool this week happily let him go on a free transfer.

It was a similar story in January 2011 when Liverpool frittered £35million on Newcastle's Andy Carroll after selling Fernando Torres to Chelsea.
On both occasions the Reds sought a replacement for a Kop icon as deadline day neared and made a hash of it. If they couldn't find the right option they should have just sat tight.
As it was Carroll only started six games in the second half of the season after he signed, while Balotelli made just 14 starts in 2014/15. Liverpool effectively got by without them.
For all the moans and groans from fans about the club's failure to sign a new left-back this week, maybe lessons have been learned from the past.
If Jurgen Klopp really couldn't find a long-term option he was convinced about then better to wait than take a punt on someone he doesn't truly fancy.
Where Balotelli was concerned, Liverpool acted in haste and were left to repent at their leisure.

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I dont think anyone on this message board is complaining that we did not spunk 30 million on a panic left back purchase on the last day of the window. What I have difficulty is in understanding why the options are so limited. I am struggling to comprehend that no left back at reasonable price who is an improvement on Moreno is not available.

Look at the Suarez fiasco. The options are Alexis Sanchez, Bony, Remy, Falcao, Cavani, Benzema, and Balotelli. Why do we even bother with scouting? Almost all the posters on the SCM would have been able to come up with that list. So the entire scouting and statistical whizkids from FSG could not come up with one striker option who could perform better than Balotelli for about 20-25 million and who would be willing to move to us?

The issue is not us not spunking enough money to get glamour names. We just dont have scouting nous to discover "value slightly under the radar" players on a consistent basis like Dortmund used to and dont have the money to attract top of the line players.
 
That article underlines the fact that our problem in recent years hasn't been panic buying but the lack of a coherent plan.

A management team with any kind of medium to long term strategy or plan doesn't end up deciding that the best way forward is choosing between Balotelli or Eto'o in the manner that they did.

As for the fullback situation this summer, perhaps there wasn't a single decent fullback we could sign in world football. I guess we'll never know. If that was genuinely the case then, yeah, perhaps it's better we kept our money.
 
A pretty good article from Pearce about the dangers of panic-buying as exemplified by the "super-Mario" saga. I made this point earlier too as regards to the left-back – it's better to wait for your first-choice targets than to settle on someone not good enough.

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Blood Red: No panic buys with Klopp as Balotelli saga teaches Liverpool a costly lesson
05:00, 3 SEP 2016
BY JAMES PEARCE
For all the moans and groans from fans about the club's failure to sign a new left-back this week, maybe lessons have been learned from the past

It all sounded so eerily familiar.
“We know it’s a risk,” said Nice president Jean-Pierre Rivere when he faced the media in the south of France on Friday afternoon.
“We know Mario’s past, but it is a risk that I am happy to take.”
Liverpool owe Rivere a debt of gratitude. He was the driving force behind a deal which finally allowed the Reds to draw a line under one of the most disastrous signings in their history.
Nice boss Lucien Favre shuffled uneasily in his seat alongside both Rivere and Mario Balotelli at the player’s unveiling as the coach confessed: “We do not really know yet where Mario is physically. But we will work on his movement.”
Yeah, good luck with that one.

It’s a source of great relief to Liverpool that Balotelli is no longer their problem but how they came to sign the Italian in the first place remains nothing short of ludicrous.
In the summer of 2014 the Reds had just come within a whisker of winning the Premier League title, playing the most exciting brand of attacking football Kopites had seen for nearly a quarter of a century.
They also knew they were highly likely to lose their prized asset in Luis Suarez with the release clause which had been inserted in his new contract the previous December leaving them helpless to stop him from moving on.
When Barcelona firmed up their interest in the gifted Uruguayan frontman that June, the writing was on the wall. The Catalans claimed they paid £65million with the Reds adamant it was a £75million deal.

Either way there was both cash and time aplenty for Liverpool, who were back in the Champions League, to identify and secure the services of a world class replacement. It didn’t happen.
Their first choice would certainly have fitted the bill but Alexis Sanchez spurned the Reds advances and headed for Arsenal instead with the Chilean attacker telling Anfield officials his wife wanted the bright lights of the capital.
After that it was one long tale of woe. The £8.5million release clause of QPR striker Loic Remy was triggered but a move for the Frenchman then collapsed on medical grounds.
Next on their list was Swansea’s Wilfried Bony but his wage demands meant Liverpool didn’t pursue their interest.
Suddenly, they were making enquiries about the availability of stellar names such as Monaco’s Radamel Falcao, Paris Saint-Germain’s Edinson Cavani and Real Madrid’s Karim Benzema.

Nothing came off. There didn’t seem to be a coherent plan. It was all horribly scattergun.
With the September 1 deadline looming and Liverpool fast running out of options, Brendan Rodgers was given a choice - Balotelli or free agent Samuel Eto’o. With Eto’o 34 and a long way past his best, Rodgers went for the younger man.
Just 18 days earlier, the manager had told reporters at Miami’s Sun Life Stadium: “I can categorically tell you Mario Balotelli will not be at Liverpool.” Away from the cameras, he was equally adamant it wouldn’t happen.
At the time he believed that but over the weeks that followed he had to lower his sights significantly.
Despite the various attempts since to shift blame, no members of Anfield’s transfer committee emerged well from that sorry episode.
Liverpool pressed on with the deal in the misplaced belief that at £16million (around half what AC Milan had been touting Balotelli around for earlier that window) it was a no-brainer.

The feeling was that if Balotelli knuckled down and realised his potential the Reds would have a £50million striker on their hands. And if he did play the fool there would always be another club willing to give Liverpool back what they paid for him.
Inserting behavioural clauses in the player’s contract, Rodgers believed he could succeed where the likes of Jose Mourinho and Roberto Mancini had failed and tame the Palermo-born frontman. He was wrong.
Liverpool signed a striker who was the polar opposite to Suarez in terms of work rate and movement. Balotelli never threatened to fit the bill and the folly of that deal was then laid bare by Daniel Sturridge’s subsequent injury problems.
Balotelli's lack of professionalism and commitment around the training ground was glaring. He was always first out the door.
That "calculated gamble" Rodgers spoke about was a panic buy at the back end of the window and a costly one as Liverpool this week happily let him go on a free transfer.

It was a similar story in January 2011 when Liverpool frittered £35million on Newcastle's Andy Carroll after selling Fernando Torres to Chelsea.
On both occasions the Reds sought a replacement for a Kop icon as deadline day neared and made a hash of it. If they couldn't find the right option they should have just sat tight.
As it was Carroll only started six games in the second half of the season after he signed, while Balotelli made just 14 starts in 2014/15. Liverpool effectively got by without them.
For all the moans and groans from fans about the club's failure to sign a new left-back this week, maybe lessons have been learned from the past.
If Jurgen Klopp really couldn't find a long-term option he was convinced about then better to wait than take a punt on someone he doesn't truly fancy.
Where Balotelli was concerned, Liverpool acted in haste and were left to repent at their leisure.

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That article only make sense if anyone believes that NOT ONE quality left back was available in the entire world for us to buy over summer, assuming we had the funds.

That there wasn't one striker who could improve the squad with the exit of Balotelli and Benteke.

That there wasn't a quality CM available who could come into the first team.

That article only make sense if you are entirely worshipping at the Klopp altar and think that he, his scouting team and FSG put every single available resource at their disposal this summer, and that all of the outgoing players and incoming signings were planned and executed to a detailed strategy and plan

In short, that article on,y makes sense if you are entirely stupid
 
That article only make sense if anyone believes that NOT ONE quality left back was available in the entire world for us to buy over summer, assuming we had the funds.

That there wasn't one striker who could improve the squad with the exit of Balotelli and Benteke.

That there wasn't a quality CM available who could come into the first team.

That article only make sense if you are entirely worshipping at the Klopp altar and think that he, his scouting team and FSG put every single available resource at their disposal this summer, and that all of the outgoing players and incoming signings were planned and executed to a detailed strategy and plan

In short, that article on,y makes sense if you are entirely stupid

I said before that it's undeniable that there was some kind of failure of the process – certainly the LB search this summer didn't go according to the plan. That said, once that failure has been established and acknowledged, I think the club did the right thing not allowing themselves to feel pressured into buying someone just for the sake of buying in the last few days of the window (which is what Pearce implies happened with Balotelli). We planned to strengthen this position and didn't, however at least we didn't create a new problem while trying to deal with another.
 
Benteke and Ballotelli are not easy to replace, as they were not a good fit to begin with 😀... anyways, failure to bring in reinforcements is good for the academy. Let's see who steps up into the senior team.
 
Judging by Klopps comments in pre season, he's not expecting any Academy players to step up this season (or needing to rush to call any up)
 
He keeps going on about about tactics and training being more important than transfers

They're ALL important.

If it was really that simple, why did Guardiola spend 170m improving a Man City squad that was already better than ours?

Perhaps he's just lazy?
 
He keeps going on about about tactics and training being more important than transfers

They're ALL important.

If it was really that simple, why did Guardiola spend 170m improving a Man City squad that was already better than ours?

Perhaps he's just lazy?

I get the fact that you should wait for the right player - but the situation with Andy Carroll, and also Balo signing is that they were both striker option replacements. I never for one second believed we would ever sign the others that were on the list when Suarez left because we ain't the sort of club that would spend 60M on a player (not yet anyway). The thing to remember here is that unless you have the scouting team of Athletico Madrid - you will always be at risk to sign a striker because you never know how they turn out - look at Chelsea for instance with regards to Shevchenko, and for that matter Torres. Getting a guaranteed goal-scorer is always hard and I would say we produce great goal-scorers rather than just buy them when they are at the top of the game. It is a difficult task - but what was not difficult regarding Balo was that we knew he had a history and we still went out and got him. That was the fuck up - Andy Carroll was a risk but it could equally have worked out well for us, and we are not the ONLY team that does last minute buying. Also - we sold a player for 65M/75M and to even think a 15M replacement would match a quarter of what Suarez gave us was the height of utter fucking stupidity.

Now to the LB position - the choice for a decent LB that is better than Moreno should not have been a hard task in terms of identification of the right type of player. The fault here is not panic buying but rather not dealing with the main issue in our team from the start. We should have identified more candidates that whatever Klopp had in mind - but the issue is on-going and for now Milner will do as trustworthy player who does not leave his brain behind when attacking - and I have no doubt he is of the type who will think defense first before going forward.

I agree with manwithnofuckingname on the last point - Pep spent quite a bit, but also so did Jose - and the difference between their purchases and our seven is that I think they have bought a number of players that can turn a game for them - we have only bought one in Mane and I hear today he is injured - fucking great.
 
I tried but I'm not able to find....can someone tell me how many left backs were transferred in to a premier league team this season?

I think if we put things in perspective may be its not that hard to accept that the targets we wanted in did not wish to move or did not wish to come here.....showing perseverance in this kind of situation and waiting another transfer window to get the correct player is not bad.


We made a hash of signing konoplayanka on the last day of a window.....paper didn't come on time etc...but the next transfer window there is nothing about that....seemed very bizarre


In fact everything about our last few transfer window has been bizarre. This is the only transfer window in recent memory where things have been a bit more practical.
 
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