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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47260.msg1415567#msg1415567 date=1319359237]
from what I've seen this season our problem isn't creating chances (so it's a little pointless bemoaning the loss of meireles) our problem is finishing chances. our last two games should have been won at a canter.
we've been utilising kuyt and suarez up front and they haven't been scoring, suarez is untouchable so it's time to bring carroll in from the cold (who actually has actually scored in his last two games). drop kuyt who seems to be entering his 'winter slump' that you can set your watch by.
[/quote]Yeah yeah coz Meireles NEVER got on the end of anything we created did he!
from what I've seen this season our problem isn't creating chances (so it's a little pointless bemoaning the loss of meireles) our problem is finishing chances. our last two games should have been won at a canter.
we've been utilising kuyt and suarez up front and they haven't been scoring, suarez is untouchable so it's time to bring carroll in from the cold (who actually has actually scored in his last two games). drop kuyt who seems to be entering his 'winter slump' that you can set your watch by.
[/quote]Yeah yeah coz Meireles NEVER got on the end of anything we created did he!
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47260.msg1415669#msg1415669 date=1319369304]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47260.msg1415567#msg1415567 date=1319359237]
from what I've seen this season our problem isn't creating chances (so it's a little pointless bemoaning the loss of meireles) our problem is finishing chances. our last two games should have been won at a canter.
we've been utilising kuyt and suarez up front and they haven't been scoring, suarez is untouchable so it's time to bring carroll in from the cold (who actually has actually scored in his last two games). drop kuyt who seems to be entering his 'winter slump' that you can set your watch by.
[/quote]Yeah yeah coz Meireles NEVER got on the end of anything we created did he!
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Besides his purple patch of 5 goals (I think) in 5 games, how many goals did he have the rest of the season?
Lewy - I think that is a ridiculous statement. We should have beaten Manure and Norwich. We just aren't taking chances. It's more like Rafa.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47260.msg1415567#msg1415567 date=1319359237]
from what I've seen this season our problem isn't creating chances (so it's a little pointless bemoaning the loss of meireles) our problem is finishing chances. our last two games should have been won at a canter.
we've been utilising kuyt and suarez up front and they haven't been scoring, suarez is untouchable so it's time to bring carroll in from the cold (who actually has actually scored in his last two games). drop kuyt who seems to be entering his 'winter slump' that you can set your watch by.
[/quote]Yeah yeah coz Meireles NEVER got on the end of anything we created did he!
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Besides his purple patch of 5 goals (I think) in 5 games, how many goals did he have the rest of the season?
Lewy - I think that is a ridiculous statement. We should have beaten Manure and Norwich. We just aren't taking chances. It's more like Rafa.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=47260.msg1415602#msg1415602 date=1319363224]
What bothers me though is how we utilize our players. Andy Carroll played off the defenders shoulder and was a battering ram at Newcastle. Lead the line and occupied entire defences on his own and was unplayable at times.
We use him behind Suarez, dropping deep to get involved in the build up and he finds himself everywhere else but infront of the goal.
Suarez, who played off another striker at Ajax, and is clearly better suited to that then leading the line and is now being used upfront on his own.
I'd like to see Suarez playing off Carroll and just let them play some games together.
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This is what is infuriating me too. It just defies all sense.
Kenny - what are you doing?
What bothers me though is how we utilize our players. Andy Carroll played off the defenders shoulder and was a battering ram at Newcastle. Lead the line and occupied entire defences on his own and was unplayable at times.
We use him behind Suarez, dropping deep to get involved in the build up and he finds himself everywhere else but infront of the goal.
Suarez, who played off another striker at Ajax, and is clearly better suited to that then leading the line and is now being used upfront on his own.
I'd like to see Suarez playing off Carroll and just let them play some games together.
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This is what is infuriating me too. It just defies all sense.
Kenny - what are you doing?
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415667#msg1415667 date=1319369114]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47260.msg1415665#msg1415665 date=1319368810]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415663#msg1415663 date=1319368695]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47260.msg1415659#msg1415659 date=1319368476]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415658#msg1415658 date=1319368295]
Why did we look deflated in the 2nd half?
Fitness issues?
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Gerrard defo needs matches, he's nowhere near fitness so he died off in the second half. Downing is crap on the left so moving him there fucked us up.
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Downing is crap period.
Carroll should have started. Maxi deserves to play. Kuyt shouldn't be in the starting line up. Something needs to be done about our CBs. Agger should start the next game.
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CBs didn't do much wrong so its harsh to blame them
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Despite Reina missing that cross, one of our CBs should have been able to clear that ball. They almost gifted Norwich another goal, but Reina pulled of a nice reflex save.
Cost us 2 points against Man U as well.
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The defenders could have dealt with it if they weren't knocked out by Reina, stop talking shit.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47260.msg1415665#msg1415665 date=1319368810]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415663#msg1415663 date=1319368695]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47260.msg1415659#msg1415659 date=1319368476]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415658#msg1415658 date=1319368295]
Why did we look deflated in the 2nd half?
Fitness issues?
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Gerrard defo needs matches, he's nowhere near fitness so he died off in the second half. Downing is crap on the left so moving him there fucked us up.
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Downing is crap period.
Carroll should have started. Maxi deserves to play. Kuyt shouldn't be in the starting line up. Something needs to be done about our CBs. Agger should start the next game.
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CBs didn't do much wrong so its harsh to blame them
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Despite Reina missing that cross, one of our CBs should have been able to clear that ball. They almost gifted Norwich another goal, but Reina pulled of a nice reflex save.
Cost us 2 points against Man U as well.
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The defenders could have dealt with it if they weren't knocked out by Reina, stop talking shit.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47260.msg1415673#msg1415673 date=1319369622]
The crux of it is this.
Weve spent 100m pounds in 10 months and you'll struggle to find a single supporter who believes we will beat West Brom next week.
That is fucking rank bad management top to bottom.
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I think we'll beat West Brom. We're better than them. When we win, you owe me a big e-hug.
The crux of it is this.
Weve spent 100m pounds in 10 months and you'll struggle to find a single supporter who believes we will beat West Brom next week.
That is fucking rank bad management top to bottom.
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I think we'll beat West Brom. We're better than them. When we win, you owe me a big e-hug.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47260.msg1415678#msg1415678 date=1319370550]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47260.msg1415673#msg1415673 date=1319369622]
The crux of it is this.
Weve spent 100m pounds in 10 months and you'll struggle to find a single supporter who believes we will beat West Brom next week.
That is fucking rank bad management top to bottom.
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I think we'll beat West Brom. We're better than them. When we win, you owe me a big e-hug.
[/quote]Thats my point.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47260.msg1415673#msg1415673 date=1319369622]
The crux of it is this.
Weve spent 100m pounds in 10 months and you'll struggle to find a single supporter who believes we will beat West Brom next week.
That is fucking rank bad management top to bottom.
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I think we'll beat West Brom. We're better than them. When we win, you owe me a big e-hug.
[/quote]Thats my point.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47260.msg1415676#msg1415676 date=1319370208]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415667#msg1415667 date=1319369114]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47260.msg1415665#msg1415665 date=1319368810]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415663#msg1415663 date=1319368695]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47260.msg1415659#msg1415659 date=1319368476]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415658#msg1415658 date=1319368295]
Why did we look deflated in the 2nd half?
Fitness issues?
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Gerrard defo needs matches, he's nowhere near fitness so he died off in the second half. Downing is crap on the left so moving him there fucked us up.
[/quote]
Downing is crap period.
Carroll should have started. Maxi deserves to play. Kuyt shouldn't be in the starting line up. Something needs to be done about our CBs. Agger should start the next game.
[/quote]
CBs didn't do much wrong so its harsh to blame them
[/quote]
Despite Reina missing that cross, one of our CBs should have been able to clear that ball. They almost gifted Norwich another goal, but Reina pulled of a nice reflex save.
Cost us 2 points against Man U as well.
[/quote]
The defenders could have dealt with it if they weren't knocked out by Reina, stop talking shit.
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415667#msg1415667 date=1319369114]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47260.msg1415665#msg1415665 date=1319368810]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415663#msg1415663 date=1319368695]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47260.msg1415659#msg1415659 date=1319368476]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415658#msg1415658 date=1319368295]
Why did we look deflated in the 2nd half?
Fitness issues?
[/quote]
Gerrard defo needs matches, he's nowhere near fitness so he died off in the second half. Downing is crap on the left so moving him there fucked us up.
[/quote]
Downing is crap period.
Carroll should have started. Maxi deserves to play. Kuyt shouldn't be in the starting line up. Something needs to be done about our CBs. Agger should start the next game.
[/quote]
CBs didn't do much wrong so its harsh to blame them
[/quote]
Despite Reina missing that cross, one of our CBs should have been able to clear that ball. They almost gifted Norwich another goal, but Reina pulled of a nice reflex save.
Cost us 2 points against Man U as well.
[/quote]
The defenders could have dealt with it if they weren't knocked out by Reina, stop talking shit.
[/quote]
x2
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47260.msg1415552#msg1415552 date=1319356353]
"Suarez is all too much hype"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Ridiculous isn't it?
He's fucking carrying us and making his own chances, yes he's missing too many of them but he's world class and we're ever so lucky to have him.
I don't give a shit about his supposed diving and hysterical behaviour, he's our only shining light at the minute.
"Suarez is all too much hype"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Ridiculous isn't it?
He's fucking carrying us and making his own chances, yes he's missing too many of them but he's world class and we're ever so lucky to have him.
I don't give a shit about his supposed diving and hysterical behaviour, he's our only shining light at the minute.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47260.msg1415680#msg1415680 date=1319370684]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47260.msg1415676#msg1415676 date=1319370208]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415667#msg1415667 date=1319369114]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47260.msg1415665#msg1415665 date=1319368810]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415663#msg1415663 date=1319368695]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47260.msg1415659#msg1415659 date=1319368476]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415658#msg1415658 date=1319368295]
Why did we look deflated in the 2nd half?
Fitness issues?
[/quote]
Gerrard defo needs matches, he's nowhere near fitness so he died off in the second half. Downing is crap on the left so moving him there fucked us up.
[/quote]
Downing is crap period.
Carroll should have started. Maxi deserves to play. Kuyt shouldn't be in the starting line up. Something needs to be done about our CBs. Agger should start the next game.
[/quote]
CBs didn't do much wrong so its harsh to blame them
[/quote]
Despite Reina missing that cross, one of our CBs should have been able to clear that ball. They almost gifted Norwich another goal, but Reina pulled of a nice reflex save.
Cost us 2 points against Man U as well.
[/quote]
The defenders could have dealt with it if they weren't knocked out by Reina, stop talking shit.
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The defenders weren't even close to reaching the ball before Reina knocked them down.
You stop talking shit.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47260.msg1415676#msg1415676 date=1319370208]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415667#msg1415667 date=1319369114]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47260.msg1415665#msg1415665 date=1319368810]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415663#msg1415663 date=1319368695]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47260.msg1415659#msg1415659 date=1319368476]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415658#msg1415658 date=1319368295]
Why did we look deflated in the 2nd half?
Fitness issues?
[/quote]
Gerrard defo needs matches, he's nowhere near fitness so he died off in the second half. Downing is crap on the left so moving him there fucked us up.
[/quote]
Downing is crap period.
Carroll should have started. Maxi deserves to play. Kuyt shouldn't be in the starting line up. Something needs to be done about our CBs. Agger should start the next game.
[/quote]
CBs didn't do much wrong so its harsh to blame them
[/quote]
Despite Reina missing that cross, one of our CBs should have been able to clear that ball. They almost gifted Norwich another goal, but Reina pulled of a nice reflex save.
Cost us 2 points against Man U as well.
[/quote]
The defenders could have dealt with it if they weren't knocked out by Reina, stop talking shit.
[/quote]
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The defenders weren't even close to reaching the ball before Reina knocked them down.
You stop talking shit.
Some of the defending yesterday seemed a bit complacent. We looked surprised when they scored and that's clear evidence of poor mentality. This doesn't apply particularly to the centrebacks though.
Overall I'm not too unhappy with our performance, but we need to work on our finishing, sort out the exact setup up top (Suarez off Carroll would be what I would want to see) and look a bit more lively at the back. Apart from this stuff we looked like a top side.
Gerrard played some beautiful balls both from the centre of the pitch and from the right. Shame he didn't pick up an assist or two, as he deserved to.
Overall I'm not too unhappy with our performance, but we need to work on our finishing, sort out the exact setup up top (Suarez off Carroll would be what I would want to see) and look a bit more lively at the back. Apart from this stuff we looked like a top side.
Gerrard played some beautiful balls both from the centre of the pitch and from the right. Shame he didn't pick up an assist or two, as he deserved to.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47260.msg1415688#msg1415688 date=1319371738]
Some of the defending yesterday seemed a bit complacent. We looked surprised when they scored and that's clear evidence of poor mentality. This doesn't apply particularly to the centrebacks though.
Overall I'm not too unhappy with our performance, but we need to work on our finishing, sort out the exact setup up top (Suarez off Carroll would be what I would want to see) and look a bit more lively at the back. Apart from this stuff we looked like a top side.
Gerrard played some beautiful balls both from the centre of the pitch and from the right. Shame he didn't pick up an assist or two, as he deserved to.
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Understatement of the century.
Some of the defending yesterday seemed a bit complacent. We looked surprised when they scored and that's clear evidence of poor mentality. This doesn't apply particularly to the centrebacks though.
Overall I'm not too unhappy with our performance, but we need to work on our finishing, sort out the exact setup up top (Suarez off Carroll would be what I would want to see) and look a bit more lively at the back. Apart from this stuff we looked like a top side.
Gerrard played some beautiful balls both from the centre of the pitch and from the right. Shame he didn't pick up an assist or two, as he deserved to.
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Understatement of the century.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415663#msg1415663 date=1319368695] Kuyt shouldn't be in the starting line up.
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I agree. Kuyt contributed little to the Norwich game. He seems to have the ability to hypnotise managers into believing that he must be the first name down on the teamsheet.
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I agree. Kuyt contributed little to the Norwich game. He seems to have the ability to hypnotise managers into believing that he must be the first name down on the teamsheet.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47260.msg1415687#msg1415687 date=1319371592]
Look at it again...
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/grant-holt-liverpool-15589575/
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I've watched it and there was time for one to get across and do enough. If Reina had stayed on his line he might have saved it aswell, I know we need a centre back, but picking them out for the goal is ridiculous, they weren't given a chance to challenge for the ball because Reina rushed out and gifted them an open net to head into, unchallenged because the defenders were knocked out the way.
Look at it again...
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/grant-holt-liverpool-15589575/
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I've watched it and there was time for one to get across and do enough. If Reina had stayed on his line he might have saved it aswell, I know we need a centre back, but picking them out for the goal is ridiculous, they weren't given a chance to challenge for the ball because Reina rushed out and gifted them an open net to head into, unchallenged because the defenders were knocked out the way.
Say what you like about Downing, and Im certainly not convinced by him yet, but in the last two matches he[put in at least eight crosses that should have been converted. How Kenny is looking at Dire Kuyt for so long without benching him is beyone me. Carroll scored in the derby and then gets left on the bench. Very Rafaesque.
Incidentally Oncy , if Suarez is actually a diving cheating cunt, why is he not being booked for diving?
Incidentally Oncy , if Suarez is actually a diving cheating cunt, why is he not being booked for diving?
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47260.msg1415697#msg1415697 date=1319373237]
Say what you like about Downing, and Im certainly not convinced by him yet, but in the last two matches he[put in at least eight crosses that should have been converted. How Kenny is looking at Dire Kuyt for so long without benching him is beyone me. Carroll scored in the derby and then gets left on the bench. Very Rafaesque.
Incidentally Oncy , if Suarez is actually a diving cheating cunt, why is he not being booked for diving?
[/quote]Are you serious? Are you suggesting I am imagining he is a diver?
I cant even begin with this.
Say what you like about Downing, and Im certainly not convinced by him yet, but in the last two matches he[put in at least eight crosses that should have been converted. How Kenny is looking at Dire Kuyt for so long without benching him is beyone me. Carroll scored in the derby and then gets left on the bench. Very Rafaesque.
Incidentally Oncy , if Suarez is actually a diving cheating cunt, why is he not being booked for diving?
[/quote]Are you serious? Are you suggesting I am imagining he is a diver?
I cant even begin with this.
Im not denying he dives. But you make it sound like he dives every time he is touched.
I think he goes down easily quite often and other times he does outright dive, but in his defence, he often stays up when he could go down, and he's in a position to do it a lot more than most other players because he's deft and dribbles in between defenders.
It doesn't offend me much when he does it. I don't understand all the vitriol about him.
He's a monster of a player, but he needs some shooting practice.
It doesn't offend me much when he does it. I don't understand all the vitriol about him.
He's a monster of a player, but he needs some shooting practice.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47260.msg1415718#msg1415718 date=1319375632]
He needs to start putting the ball in the back of the net, but apart from that, he's amazing and I love him.
[/quote]Quite. Goals cover up a multitude of sins.
He's like Drogba without the goals at present.
He needs to start putting the ball in the back of the net, but apart from that, he's amazing and I love him.
[/quote]Quite. Goals cover up a multitude of sins.
He's like Drogba without the goals at present.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47260.msg1415720#msg1415720 date=1319375841]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47260.msg1415718#msg1415718 date=1319375632]
He needs to start putting the ball in the back of the net, but apart from that, he's amazing and I love him.
[/quote]Quite. Goals cover up a multitude of sins.
He's like Drogba without the goals at present.
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Definitely agree with that. Was it you who got slated a few weeks back for questioning his finishing ability
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47260.msg1415718#msg1415718 date=1319375632]
He needs to start putting the ball in the back of the net, but apart from that, he's amazing and I love him.
[/quote]Quite. Goals cover up a multitude of sins.
He's like Drogba without the goals at present.
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Definitely agree with that. Was it you who got slated a few weeks back for questioning his finishing ability
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47260.msg1415728#msg1415728 date=1319377081]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47260.msg1415720#msg1415720 date=1319375841]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47260.msg1415718#msg1415718 date=1319375632]
He needs to start putting the ball in the back of the net, but apart from that, he's amazing and I love him.
[/quote]Quite. Goals cover up a multitude of sins.
He's like Drogba without the goals at present.
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Definitely agree with that. Was it you who got slated a few weeks back for questioning his finishing ability
[/quote]Yes.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47260.msg1415720#msg1415720 date=1319375841]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47260.msg1415718#msg1415718 date=1319375632]
He needs to start putting the ball in the back of the net, but apart from that, he's amazing and I love him.
[/quote]Quite. Goals cover up a multitude of sins.
He's like Drogba without the goals at present.
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Definitely agree with that. Was it you who got slated a few weeks back for questioning his finishing ability
[/quote]Yes.
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