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I think Ngog has shown himself to be fairly clinical.
His goal against Leeds is testament to that.
His goal against Leeds is testament to that.
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He is anything but a 'cool and calm finisher', that's for sure.
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What makes you say that?
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Because in situations where speed of thought and a bit of composure is required, he seems to snatch at chances.
His finish was decent on Sunday, but he had half an hour to decide where to put it and there was very little pressure on the ball. More often than not, when it arrives in the final third and he's surrounded by opposition defenders, he seems anything but cool and calm. Perhaps it's the overeagerness of youth, but he just doesn't fill me with confidence in the way some people appear to indicate here.
Like I said, he's still young and didn't cost much, but I don't really see what the fuss is about at this stage.
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He is anything but a 'cool and calm finisher', that's for sure.
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What makes you say that?
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Because in situations where speed of thought and a bit of composure is required, he seems to snatch at chances.
His finish was decent on Sunday, but he had half an hour to decide where to put it and there was very little pressure on the ball. More often than not, when it arrives in the final third and he's surrounded by opposition defenders, he seems anything but cool and calm. Perhaps it's the overeagerness of youth, but he just doesn't fill me with confidence in the way some people appear to indicate here.
Like I said, he's still young and didn't cost much, but I don't really see what the fuss is about at this stage.
I can't see where you are coming from on this one Del, I think he is pretty calm and clinical.
Having all that time yesterday could have been a negative. Plenty of time on the ball, the Kop standing and screaming at you to put it in. He could have over thought the situation and missed but he kept his head in a difficult situation and stuck it away. Fair play to the lad and I hope he has another game against Arsenal on Wednesday.
David Ngog Vs Leeds United
Having all that time yesterday could have been a negative. Plenty of time on the ball, the Kop standing and screaming at you to put it in. He could have over thought the situation and missed but he kept his head in a difficult situation and stuck it away. Fair play to the lad and I hope he has another game against Arsenal on Wednesday.
David Ngog Vs Leeds United
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Because in situations where speed of thought and a bit of composure is required, he seems to snatch at chances.
His finish was decent on Sunday, but he had half an hour to decide where to put it and there was very little pressure on the ball. More often than not, when it arrives in the final third and he's surrounded by opposition defenders, he seems anything but cool and calm. Perhaps it's the overeagerness of youth, but he just doesn't fill me with confidence in the way some people appear to indicate here.
Like I said, he's still young and didn't cost much, but I don't really see what the fuss is about at this stage.
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I don't really think we've seen enough of him in situations like those to really say one way or another. He has shown that he's a competent enough finisher with the few chances that have come his way though.
Anyways, there is no fuss. Nobody on here has serious expectations of greatness of him.
Because in situations where speed of thought and a bit of composure is required, he seems to snatch at chances.
His finish was decent on Sunday, but he had half an hour to decide where to put it and there was very little pressure on the ball. More often than not, when it arrives in the final third and he's surrounded by opposition defenders, he seems anything but cool and calm. Perhaps it's the overeagerness of youth, but he just doesn't fill me with confidence in the way some people appear to indicate here.
Like I said, he's still young and didn't cost much, but I don't really see what the fuss is about at this stage.
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I don't really think we've seen enough of him in situations like those to really say one way or another. He has shown that he's a competent enough finisher with the few chances that have come his way though.
Anyways, there is no fuss. Nobody on here has serious expectations of greatness of him.
55 mins in the league - 2 goals
seriously, what is there to complain about?
seriously, what is there to complain about?
That's an interesting bit of analysis by Del.
In lots of ways Ngog's finishing is the opposite of Cisse's. Cisse was a fantastic instinctive finisher pouncing on loose balls in the box and putting them away with aplomb. His finishing most often let him down, though, when there was time to think. Often when he was bearing down one on one against a keeper, he would just go for power and hit the ball straight down the goalie's throat.
I've seen none of that instinctive finishing from Ngog but in the two one on one chances he has had in the first team, the one against PSV last year and the one yesterday, he took them both extremely well, showing lots of composure and calmness.
In lots of ways Ngog's finishing is the opposite of Cisse's. Cisse was a fantastic instinctive finisher pouncing on loose balls in the box and putting them away with aplomb. His finishing most often let him down, though, when there was time to think. Often when he was bearing down one on one against a keeper, he would just go for power and hit the ball straight down the goalie's throat.
I've seen none of that instinctive finishing from Ngog but in the two one on one chances he has had in the first team, the one against PSV last year and the one yesterday, he took them both extremely well, showing lots of composure and calmness.
Schadenfreude Time:
I was just looking at a pre-match apology for Owen by Ian Ridley - a man who makes being a recovering alcoholic seem like such hell on earth I'm surprised any alcoholic wants to recover at all. Anyway, after line after line of bitter blatherings about the club he clearly couldn't wait to see beaten by the mancs, he says:
I hope as many readers as possible sent him emails just saying: 'Hmm'.
I was just looking at a pre-match apology for Owen by Ian Ridley - a man who makes being a recovering alcoholic seem like such hell on earth I'm surprised any alcoholic wants to recover at all. Anyway, after line after line of bitter blatherings about the club he clearly couldn't wait to see beaten by the mancs, he says:
I hope as many readers as possible sent him emails just saying: 'Hmm'.
I think he has the potential to be a world class player. He's very raw at the moment, but he has an array of skills and can finish. He's about Danny Wellbeck's age, yet he's got something like 6 goals in 6 starts. The boy can finish. I can also remember the elastico he did in his first game for us in pre-season. He has step overs and back heels. I perfer him to someone like say Babel. At £1.5m he's a snip.
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Schadenfreude Time:
I was just looking at a pre-match apology for Owen by Ian Ridley - a man who makes being a recovering alcoholic seem like such hell on earth I'm surprised any alcoholic wants to recover at all. Anyway, after line after line of bitter blatherings about the club he clearly couldn't wait to see beaten by the mancs, he says:
I hope as many readers as possible sent him emails just saying: 'Hmm'.
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Done:
"And while plenty will openly advocate the co-owners, George Gillett and Tom Hicks, getting out, plenty more will question the transfer dealings of Benitez, who cannot keep living on the signing of Torres"
Benayoun, Arbeloa, Alonso, Reina, Mascherano, Agger, Skrtel, Kuyt, Crouch, Garcia, Johnson and of course, Torres...
All successes, to name the more obvious ones, so it's hardly a case of Torres being the only good signing he's made, that's jumping on this ridiculous media myth. Every manager makes bad signings, and how many of ours have proven costly? Ryan Babel? How about Seb Veron, Nani, Anderson?? The latter two each alone cost the price of a Ryan Babel and a Lucas.
Of course there have been misses; Pelegrino, Voronin, Josemi, Morientes, (for example), but those four alone cost a combined £8m in transfer fees, hardly devastating.
"He even had the chance to get Owen back for nothing but decided to trust David Ngog instead. Hmm."
Hmm indeed Ian.
Schadenfreude Time:
I was just looking at a pre-match apology for Owen by Ian Ridley - a man who makes being a recovering alcoholic seem like such hell on earth I'm surprised any alcoholic wants to recover at all. Anyway, after line after line of bitter blatherings about the club he clearly couldn't wait to see beaten by the mancs, he says:
I hope as many readers as possible sent him emails just saying: 'Hmm'.
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Done:
"And while plenty will openly advocate the co-owners, George Gillett and Tom Hicks, getting out, plenty more will question the transfer dealings of Benitez, who cannot keep living on the signing of Torres"
Benayoun, Arbeloa, Alonso, Reina, Mascherano, Agger, Skrtel, Kuyt, Crouch, Garcia, Johnson and of course, Torres...
All successes, to name the more obvious ones, so it's hardly a case of Torres being the only good signing he's made, that's jumping on this ridiculous media myth. Every manager makes bad signings, and how many of ours have proven costly? Ryan Babel? How about Seb Veron, Nani, Anderson?? The latter two each alone cost the price of a Ryan Babel and a Lucas.
Of course there have been misses; Pelegrino, Voronin, Josemi, Morientes, (for example), but those four alone cost a combined £8m in transfer fees, hardly devastating.
"He even had the chance to get Owen back for nothing but decided to trust David Ngog instead. Hmm."
Hmm indeed Ian.
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I think he has the potential to be a world class player. He's very raw at the moment, but he has an array of skills and can finish. He's about Danny Wellbeck's age, yet he's got something like 6 goals in 6 starts. The boy can finish. I can also remember the elastico he did in his first game for us in pre-season. He has step overs and back heels. I perfer him to someone like say Babel. At £1.5m he's a snip.
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I don't think ive ever seen him sprinting flat out...is he quite quick? He is a good prospect I think he has something for sure.
I think he has the potential to be a world class player. He's very raw at the moment, but he has an array of skills and can finish. He's about Danny Wellbeck's age, yet he's got something like 6 goals in 6 starts. The boy can finish. I can also remember the elastico he did in his first game for us in pre-season. He has step overs and back heels. I perfer him to someone like say Babel. At £1.5m he's a snip.
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I don't think ive ever seen him sprinting flat out...is he quite quick? He is a good prospect I think he has something for sure.
benitez has more than his fair share of shite transfers. pelegrino, voronin, josemi and morientes doesn't really scratch the surface.
i haven't got a problem with n'gog at 1.5 million but i'd have liked to have seen owen here if we could have got him on the same deal as utd did. i don't think its owen or n'gog but rather owen or voronin.
i haven't got a problem with n'gog at 1.5 million but i'd have liked to have seen owen here if we could have got him on the same deal as utd did. i don't think its owen or n'gog but rather owen or voronin.
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benitez has more than his fair share of shite transfers. pelegrino, voronin, josemi and morientes doesn't really scratch the surface.
i haven't got a problem with n'gog at 1.5 million but i'd have liked to have seen owen here if we could have got him on the same deal as utd did. i don't think its owen or n'gog but rather owen or voronin.
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Every manager, even Paisley & Shankly, bought duds more than there fair share too. It's part of the game. The combined total of the players you mentioned doesnt even total £8m.
At least Voronin has proved he wants to play for Liverpool and for the Manager.
benitez has more than his fair share of shite transfers. pelegrino, voronin, josemi and morientes doesn't really scratch the surface.
i haven't got a problem with n'gog at 1.5 million but i'd have liked to have seen owen here if we could have got him on the same deal as utd did. i don't think its owen or n'gog but rather owen or voronin.
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Every manager, even Paisley & Shankly, bought duds more than there fair share too. It's part of the game. The combined total of the players you mentioned doesnt even total £8m.
At least Voronin has proved he wants to play for Liverpool and for the Manager.
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benitez has more than his fair share of shite transfers. pelegrino, voronin, josemi and morientes doesn't really scratch the surface.
i haven't got a problem with n'gog at 1.5 million but i'd have liked to have seen owen here if we could have got him on the same deal as utd did. i don't think its owen or n'gog but rather owen or voronin.
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Who then? Either way the duds amount to little by comparison, only Babel has proven a costly flop, of the rest, I think the most expensive error has cost £6m, and there are enough successes, despite you're assertion that the team 'isn't much better than the one that won the CL', it's fucking miles better, at least in terms of having a quality 'first team'.
benitez has more than his fair share of shite transfers. pelegrino, voronin, josemi and morientes doesn't really scratch the surface.
i haven't got a problem with n'gog at 1.5 million but i'd have liked to have seen owen here if we could have got him on the same deal as utd did. i don't think its owen or n'gog but rather owen or voronin.
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Who then? Either way the duds amount to little by comparison, only Babel has proven a costly flop, of the rest, I think the most expensive error has cost £6m, and there are enough successes, despite you're assertion that the team 'isn't much better than the one that won the CL', it's fucking miles better, at least in terms of having a quality 'first team'.
I'd say Dossena and Babel are the two most expensive in money and Morientes the most expensive in terms of decision.
You could argue Pennant and Bellers too but we got more than our fee back from Bellers and Pennant did have his uses occasionally - just no end product.
You could argue Pennant and Bellers too but we got more than our fee back from Bellers and Pennant did have his uses occasionally - just no end product.
the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
i think pennant has been his worst signing by a big distance, because it was so obvious to eevryone that the guy just didn't have the required class. it was a really depressing signing.
you can at least understand the logic behind taking a risk on babel. dossena was a bad one, but he seemed to have more pedigree than pennant had displayed in the recent past.
you can at least understand the logic behind taking a risk on babel. dossena was a bad one, but he seemed to have more pedigree than pennant had displayed in the recent past.
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the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
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Yeah but then you are saying his transfers have been pants, you don't trust him in the transfer market but want him to make big money signings.
The players he purchased to make a real difference to the first team generally did just that.
Mascher, Alonso, Torres, Reina, Kuyt, Johnson, Agger.
There have of course been some duds, but that's a given with most managers.
This season more than any other has shown us the importance of the squad fillers, rather than one big signing.
the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
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Yeah but then you are saying his transfers have been pants, you don't trust him in the transfer market but want him to make big money signings.
The players he purchased to make a real difference to the first team generally did just that.
Mascher, Alonso, Torres, Reina, Kuyt, Johnson, Agger.
There have of course been some duds, but that's a given with most managers.
This season more than any other has shown us the importance of the squad fillers, rather than one big signing.
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the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
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Nobody but nobody has argued that Rafa has been flawless in the transfer market. I don't get where you get that from at all.
the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
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Nobody but nobody has argued that Rafa has been flawless in the transfer market. I don't get where you get that from at all.
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the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
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Yeah but then you are saying his transfers have been pants, you don't trust him in the transfer market but want him to make big money signings.
The players he purchased to make a real difference to the first team generally did just that.
Mascher, Alonso, Torres, Reina, Kuyt, Johnson, Agger.
There have of course been some duds, but that's a given with most managers.
This season more than any other has shown us the importance of the squad fillers, rather than one big signing.
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how?
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the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
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Yeah but then you are saying his transfers have been pants, you don't trust him in the transfer market but want him to make big money signings.
The players he purchased to make a real difference to the first team generally did just that.
Mascher, Alonso, Torres, Reina, Kuyt, Johnson, Agger.
There have of course been some duds, but that's a given with most managers.
This season more than any other has shown us the importance of the squad fillers, rather than one big signing.
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how?
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36729.msg972438#msg972438 date=1256644010]
the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
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Nobody but nobody has argued that Rafa has been flawless in the transfer market. I don't get where you get that from at all.
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really? when you point at pellogrino, josemi, morintes and voronin as the examples and talk about only spending 8 million on them i see that as attempting to demonstrate something almost flawless
[quote author=rage link=topic=36729.msg972438#msg972438 date=1256644010]
the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
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Nobody but nobody has argued that Rafa has been flawless in the transfer market. I don't get where you get that from at all.
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really? when you point at pellogrino, josemi, morintes and voronin as the examples and talk about only spending 8 million on them i see that as attempting to demonstrate something almost flawless
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This season more than any other has shown us the importance of the squad fillers, rather than one big signing.
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how?
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Because for the £17m fee we paid for Johnson, it could have been possible to buy a decent fullback and a decent back up striker.
I like Johnson enough to be happy that we paid what we did for him but if someone said we should have spread that money around, it would be difficult to argue against the reasoning.
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This season more than any other has shown us the importance of the squad fillers, rather than one big signing.
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how?
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Because for the £17m fee we paid for Johnson, it could have been possible to buy a decent fullback and a decent back up striker.
I like Johnson enough to be happy that we paid what we did for him but if someone said we should have spread that money around, it would be difficult to argue against the reasoning.
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Because we have had big players out, if we went out and spent a gazillion pounds on player x and he got injured also then we have to turn back to our squad fillers
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who are our squad fillers and how have they helped us this season?
Because we have had big players out, if we went out and spent a gazillion pounds on player x and he got injured also then we have to turn back to our squad fillers
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who are our squad fillers and how have they helped us this season?
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36729.msg972407#msg972407 date=1256641910]
benitez has more than his fair share of shite transfers. pelegrino, voronin, josemi and morientes doesn't really scratch the surface.
i haven't got a problem with n'gog at 1.5 million but i'd have liked to have seen owen here if we could have got him on the same deal as utd did. i don't think its owen or n'gog but rather owen or voronin.
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Who then? Either way the duds amount to little by comparison, only Babel has proven a costly flop, of the rest, I think the most expensive error has cost £6m, and there are enough successes, despite you're assertion that the team 'isn't much better than the one that won the CL', it's fucking miles better, at least in terms of having a quality 'first team'.
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There are other implications besides cost, though.
Being a bit shit being one of them.
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benitez has more than his fair share of shite transfers. pelegrino, voronin, josemi and morientes doesn't really scratch the surface.
i haven't got a problem with n'gog at 1.5 million but i'd have liked to have seen owen here if we could have got him on the same deal as utd did. i don't think its owen or n'gog but rather owen or voronin.
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Who then? Either way the duds amount to little by comparison, only Babel has proven a costly flop, of the rest, I think the most expensive error has cost £6m, and there are enough successes, despite you're assertion that the team 'isn't much better than the one that won the CL', it's fucking miles better, at least in terms of having a quality 'first team'.
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There are other implications besides cost, though.
Being a bit shit being one of them.
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36729.msg972407#msg972407 date=1256641910]
benitez has more than his fair share of shite transfers. pelegrino, voronin, josemi and morientes doesn't really scratch the surface.
i haven't got a problem with n'gog at 1.5 million but i'd have liked to have seen owen here if we could have got him on the same deal as utd did. i don't think its owen or n'gog but rather owen or voronin.
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Who then? Either way the duds amount to little by comparison, only Babel has proven a costly flop, of the rest, I think the most expensive error has cost £6m, and there are enough successes, despite you're assertion that the team 'isn't much better than the one that won the CL', it's fucking miles better, at least in terms of having a quality 'first team'.
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There are other implications besides cost, though.
Being a bit shit being one of them.
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Of course there are, no one's saying he's infallible, and some of his transfer decisions have been poor, but again, who's haven't?
The players he's brought in that I listed as successes have proven he is capable of identifying players of quality, obviously the lower the price tag the more room there is for error, but even the likes of Arbeloa, Auerlio and Agger have proven he can identify quality for a nominal fee.
He could have spent better, but I was posting in reply to the article, which basically says Rafa is living off the signing of Torres, which is bullshit.
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benitez has more than his fair share of shite transfers. pelegrino, voronin, josemi and morientes doesn't really scratch the surface.
i haven't got a problem with n'gog at 1.5 million but i'd have liked to have seen owen here if we could have got him on the same deal as utd did. i don't think its owen or n'gog but rather owen or voronin.
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Who then? Either way the duds amount to little by comparison, only Babel has proven a costly flop, of the rest, I think the most expensive error has cost £6m, and there are enough successes, despite you're assertion that the team 'isn't much better than the one that won the CL', it's fucking miles better, at least in terms of having a quality 'first team'.
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There are other implications besides cost, though.
Being a bit shit being one of them.
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Of course there are, no one's saying he's infallible, and some of his transfer decisions have been poor, but again, who's haven't?
The players he's brought in that I listed as successes have proven he is capable of identifying players of quality, obviously the lower the price tag the more room there is for error, but even the likes of Arbeloa, Auerlio and Agger have proven he can identify quality for a nominal fee.
He could have spent better, but I was posting in reply to the article, which basically says Rafa is living off the signing of Torres, which is bullshit.
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the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
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That sentence is probably one of the most stupid I've read all year. Cudos.
Johnson, Masherano, Agger, Kuyt, Riera, Aquilani and to some extent Aurelio and Benayoun are all upgrades on the likes of Smicer, Biscan, Diao, Traore, Finnan (although he was very good), Baros, aging Hamann and lil Luis Garcia. How anyone can think different is beyond me?!
Skrtl, Insua, Dossena, Babel, Lucas and Ngog are most certainly better squaplayers than whomever we had back then. The likes of Warnock, Thompson, aging Henchoz and Morientes to mention a few?
The only players I can think off from back then who had a fair chance to get in our side of today is Riise and Alonso (and the five years younger Hamann and Sami).
the duds haven't amounted to little, its not just about money but also a wasted opportunity and another season without a trophy.
and i'm still old fashioned - a team is only as god as what its won. bar torres and reina our first 11 and squad were arguably stronger when rafa took over than now.
credit where credit is due, reina and torres have been exceptional buys and are clear improvements on what we had there before, johnson most likely will also be. its the lets buy six squad fillers rather than risk buying one good player that rafa has done elsewhere that has cost us.
i really can't see how anyone can argue that rafa has been almost flawless in the transfer market.
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That sentence is probably one of the most stupid I've read all year. Cudos.
Johnson, Masherano, Agger, Kuyt, Riera, Aquilani and to some extent Aurelio and Benayoun are all upgrades on the likes of Smicer, Biscan, Diao, Traore, Finnan (although he was very good), Baros, aging Hamann and lil Luis Garcia. How anyone can think different is beyond me?!
Skrtl, Insua, Dossena, Babel, Lucas and Ngog are most certainly better squaplayers than whomever we had back then. The likes of Warnock, Thompson, aging Henchoz and Morientes to mention a few?
The only players I can think off from back then who had a fair chance to get in our side of today is Riise and Alonso (and the five years younger Hamann and Sami).
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