I dont have an agenda. I support all our players. Even the shit ones.
Mignolet
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Goalkeeping is not like any old position. It's a little more complex when it comes to assessing a keepers contribution to a team.
I see some of the same old people who don't have a clue about goalkeeping spouting the same old guff since the start of the season. Any opportunity to avoid revising their views. He definitely is not the finished article, but you don't end up top of the league without the keeper making a great contribution.
I can think of three or four games at least, where he has won us points. And since we are are top by just 2 points potentially, it's just daft to suggest he's not contributing enough, or is not good enough.
He's definitely a bit of a vampire, but he's good enough still. I think there's a perception out there about him defined by some early games, and it's hard to shake that off.
I see some of the same old people who don't have a clue about goalkeeping spouting the same old guff since the start of the season. Any opportunity to avoid revising their views. He definitely is not the finished article, but you don't end up top of the league without the keeper making a great contribution.
I can think of three or four games at least, where he has won us points. And since we are are top by just 2 points potentially, it's just daft to suggest he's not contributing enough, or is not good enough.
He's definitely a bit of a vampire, but he's good enough still. I think there's a perception out there about him defined by some early games, and it's hard to shake that off.
You've been against him since the first game, deriding and putting the kid down. So yes you are be of the most agenda-driven, for sure on this keeper.
Original Reina, yes. Comfortable Reina, no way Jose. We used to concede so many soft goals with him. Jesus, he couldn't save in a strong economy.
First one that comes to mind straight away is his howler against Man City, where we ended up losing.
But that's not the point. Our goal scoring has baled us out (96 goals and counting) on multiple occasions while we've continued to show defensive deficiencies, which includes Mignolet.
A keeper making an error doesn't have to lead to a goal conceded. It's the mere fact that he did make an error. And when he consistently does that, you start to get concerned.
He's got a piss weak mentality. I really hope Doc Peters does his magic with him.
Piss weak mentality?
Bollocks to that. When he makes an error he still goes on & makes fantastic saves later that same game.
It took dudek about 6 games to get off making a gaff. That season Utd (forlan?) scored when he fumbled it in he was then shaken for about two months.
Kirkland was similar when he fucked up, as was Joe Hart, to use a non Liverpool example.
His mentality in recovering from errors is one of the last things you can accuse of being lacking.
Bollocks to that. When he makes an error he still goes on & makes fantastic saves later that same game.
It took dudek about 6 games to get off making a gaff. That season Utd (forlan?) scored when he fumbled it in he was then shaken for about two months.
Kirkland was similar when he fucked up, as was Joe Hart, to use a non Liverpool example.
His mentality in recovering from errors is one of the last things you can accuse of being lacking.
of course
Nope, not with Sakho and Skrtel in there
He's a concern, just as some other parts of the defence, but on his day he is a world class shot stopper and his pen save against Stoke was probably a key moment of the season.
*futilely attempts to put worms back in can*
*futilely attempts to put worms back in can*
He looks so, so, nervous every time a cross comes in, a hopeful punt from their half comes in, and when in possession of the ball.
Strong mentality equals the likes of Reina and Schmeichel. You know they'll fuck something up at some point, but you also know they won't be worried one bit about making those errors, be it mistiming the sweeper role, coming for high balls, knocking out his own players etc. That's how they gain the complete trust of the defenders and the team.
You mean I had an opinion, but was reasonable with it 🙂
Just as Mignolet has worked on his distribution, I note you've been working on your trollin 😉
Keep up the good fight.
That's very different to having a piss weak mentality though, it's lacking confidence in one aspect (albeit a big one) of his game.
Mentality governs whether they let one mistake wreck their head for the rest of the game or even longer, he doesn't suffer from that, thankfully.
His decision making is shite, when he has time to think about it he invariably fucks it up, when it's instinctive he's top class, but so is coutinho, in exactly the same way, yet he gets lauded like the second coming, despite them being of similar ages relative to their position.
I'm not sure at all he's the long term answer, but some of the shit he gets is OTT.
A vampire... ha!...
haven't heard that for a while...
That's a fair appraisal perhaps but I tend to the camp which suggests we do need better tbh, the nerves he brought about by flapping last week were just too much to bare IMHO. He is the archetypal dodgy keeper. Being a bit of a vampire doesn't really cut it in the long run, goalkeeper is the one position above all where you need to be calm and exude it aswell... he just doesn't...
The fact that our team is so mentally strong at the minute, we just keep on bouncing back, doesn't hide the fact that Mig is technically not the best.
Credit where it is due, he is definitely a good shot stopper and yes he has saved our bacon a few times, I for one think he is the kind of player who will be aware he fucked up at the bridge and will be doing his utmost to attone for it... he looks like he wants the job I will give him that... and If we win the title he will certainly deserve his medal no doubt and I will be on his side a million percent as long as he is in our shirt, I just think there are so many holes in his game as is at the moment. He is poor at crosses and invites pressure because of it, he often palms the saves back into play in dangerous areas and his distribution is nothing special... he can improve i'm sure and I do like his attitude and no-one can fault him for effort, I would however be surprised if we are not looking to strengthen in his position.
That's not any kind of agenda its just the way I think of him.
No I havnt. And I have no agenda. I wish he was a great keeper. I wish all our players were great. But they arent. Some of them arent good enough. Hes one of them.
I dont have an agenda. I hope he never ever makes a mistake again. I hope that as of tomorrow he dominates his box like a Schmeical, distributes like a Pepe, sweeps like Casillas and shot stops like Kahn i really do.
As for your 'some people dont understand goalkeeping' because you once stood between two jumpers in some fucking field on a Sunday. Please. Grow up.
I don't agree with the extremes to which you're addressing his deficiencies, but you're right about the "exposure" excuse. If anything, he's fucking up more from setpieces.
Let's face it, at the minute this is Mignolet:
Shot Stopping - excellent, even when having a quite game, if he's called into action, he's brilliant - he's second to none on this note.
Distribution - Getting better but still shockingly average for a player at the back of a "footballing" side.
Command of the area - Poor, too indecisive and inconsistent when coming for crosses. And he's either too slow or too rash off his line.
There's massive room for improvement, but that doesn't make him a write off. Sterling has worked tactically and become a better player, Skrtel has become more disciplined, etc, I don't see why the same sort of logic can't be applied to keepers.
Shot Stopping - excellent, even when having a quite game, if he's called into action, he's brilliant - he's second to none on this note.
Distribution - Getting better but still shockingly average for a player at the back of a "footballing" side.
Command of the area - Poor, too indecisive and inconsistent when coming for crosses. And he's either too slow or too rash off his line.
There's massive room for improvement, but that doesn't make him a write off. Sterling has worked tactically and become a better player, Skrtel has become more disciplined, etc, I don't see why the same sort of logic can't be applied to keepers.
I think it was Ruud Gullit who summed it up when he said 'keepers are keepers because they can't play football'
The exposure excuse is the amount of shots we face. Thats hardly an excuse but a fact regarding his contribution to the team.
You can also argue that Rodgers wants us to play the ball from the back, he commands it. It leads to errors and puts pressure on the defence at times but thats fine. We'll continue to concede the odd goal from that though.
A stat site analyzed the first 35 goals we conceded this season 14 positional errors and 12 technical errors. Biggest culprits: Skrtel with 9, Toure 5 and Johnson 4 individual errors.
Rodgers has some work to do with the defence this summer. We need a settled back 5.
....but he's not too bad in facing shots, it's when we get an onslaught with bodies around the box and defenders failing to clear their lines, or as I said, set pieces. I understand that we're opened up more, but his bigger strength is dealing with shots, what he doesn't handle is having opposition players in and around him.
If he struggled with us getting hit on the break, I'd understand the reasoning, when we're under the cosh, we do get players back, that's different, we have enough players there to deal with danger, it's not because he's isolated, it's usually the contrary.
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