What's our style of play got to do with him being completely unable to command his area and poor with his distribution?
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His distribution has improved massivly over the season. Commanding his area is the aspects of his game he really needs to work on. Our aggresive style of play invites a lot of chances and shots on target, although its been better after Gerrard moved to DM and our midfield shape was better.
The amount of saves Mings made because of this shows how much he has contributed. In the first half of the season he made as many saves as the goalkeepers at bottom end of the table.
The amount of saves Mings made because of this shows how much he has contributed. In the first half of the season he made as many saves as the goalkeepers at bottom end of the table.
Answer the question. How does our style of play impact on what most people think are his big weaknesses?
His distribution is fine, and in the last few months had been excellent.
I also disagree that he is completely inept in commanding his area. Our system had a tendency to leave the back five exposed when we lose possession, which means he has to deal with more crises and attacks than keepers we've had in the past.
More opportunities for the opposition to score means inevitable more mistakes made by the back 5.
We could set up like Chelsea if you really want though.
I was quote enjoying that debate til now.
No insults please, we're top of the league with three games to go.
I did. The part that was relevant to the point I was making. His contribution has been valubale because of all the shots/chances we've conceded because of how we play.
I also said he needs to work on commanding his area. A lot of work aswell. His distribution has improved massivly.
Both irrelevant to my point.
People think he's shite and a liability. My point highlights his contribution to the title challenge.
What he needs to work on I agree with....
Pretty much. We concede for fun, and you just know that every game we play is gonna need usually at least a couple from us to get a win.
Yeh of course we are where we are based on the whole team, but with a better back five, we'd have been outta sight by now.
He's only young, but anyone who thinks there isn't a cause for concern, is burying their head somewhat. As said, his pro's outweigh his cons, but if his cons are what cost us, then all of that good work goes out the window for the sake of a players inconsistencies. We've done exceptionally well, and at times so has he. Now he needs to buckle down and we need to think about the longterm and whether he's worth the indulgence, because his shot stopping is second to none and has saved us on more occasions than his fuck ups have let us down. But the alarm bells are still there.
You've been oddly protective of him all season Hansern. Sakho too come to think of it. Even when the criticism is very mild. How come?
I'm not convinced by Mingolet but I don't think he's been bad enough to replace in the summer and I definitely wouldn't spend a load of money on someone like Casillas.
I'm not convinced by Mingolet but I don't think he's been bad enough to replace in the summer and I definitely wouldn't spend a load of money on someone like Casillas.
Our style of play certainly impacts on his distribution, as we do have an uncanny knack of converting having the ball around half way or in the opponents' half, into a attempt to pass the ball about that runs out of options and ends up with a pass back to Ming with a player running at him. It happens far too regularly, and he doesn't deal with it that well, though there's no doubt we invite pressure onto him in that way at times.
I struggle to be over critical of any of the defensive unit simply cos I think the way we play exposes them a lot.
It's impossible to quantify properly imo. We break so quickly & in such numbers that I can't think of another example to compare it with.
I certainly can't think of any counter attacking unit in football that did so. The ideal would be to sacrifice a tiny bit of that attacking verve & have a solid defence to base it on, much like Utd in the 90s (the closest I can think of to the way we currently play, I'm limiting scope to England simply due to the pace of ourselves & the opposition), & I suspect that may be the direction Rodgers pushes us next season.
It's impossible to quantify properly imo. We break so quickly & in such numbers that I can't think of another example to compare it with.
I certainly can't think of any counter attacking unit in football that did so. The ideal would be to sacrifice a tiny bit of that attacking verve & have a solid defence to base it on, much like Utd in the 90s (the closest I can think of to the way we currently play, I'm limiting scope to England simply due to the pace of ourselves & the opposition), & I suspect that may be the direction Rodgers pushes us next season.
I think you guys are being far too generous.
We might leave ourselves open when we're in full on attack mode but generally the other team doesn't get a sniff during that period in the game. We often concede when we've taken our foot off the gas / take a breather and sit back to play on the counter more.
It's at times like those where you'd expect good defensive organization and talent to shine through and you'd have to say that too often this season for whatever reason, it hasn't. A lot of the goals we've conceded in the last several matches haven't come as a result of us being caught out on account of being too attacking, but rather during periods where we were being attacked ourselves and didn't have the ability to shut out the opposition.
We might leave ourselves open when we're in full on attack mode but generally the other team doesn't get a sniff during that period in the game. We often concede when we've taken our foot off the gas / take a breather and sit back to play on the counter more.
It's at times like those where you'd expect good defensive organization and talent to shine through and you'd have to say that too often this season for whatever reason, it hasn't. A lot of the goals we've conceded in the last several matches haven't come as a result of us being caught out on account of being too attacking, but rather during periods where we were being attacked ourselves and didn't have the ability to shut out the opposition.
Agree with Keni - we generally concede and look the most shakey when we sit really deep and just hoof it out the back and invite pressure on for a while. We keep doing it, and we keep conceding during these periods. So frustrating. I hope this doesnt bite us in the ass on Sunday when we come up against a defence that is less likely to concede but probably just as likely to score against us when we decide to sit back.
Our style of play has very little to do with Migs issues, ask Sunderland fans.
It looks like you are scraping the the bottom of the barrell looking for excuses for him and his blatent flaws, i can understand the argument with our defenders being left open and exposed but not with a goalkeeper who has developed a habit of dropping random clangers, who is indecisive and is an accident waiting to happen under the high ball.
If he didn't have those sharp reflexes he wouldn't be anywhere near the Premier League, i really do hope he does improve and is a success for us if he gets the chance, same goes for all of our players apart from the odd obvious lost cause.
Theres a lot of piss talked about the way we play 'exposing' the back.
We play with a holding midfielder and often two more hard working midfielders in front of him. We also have Suarez and Sterling who track back constantly. In fact the only player we have who doesnt do a defensive shift is Sturridge.
Our whole team works back. Our defence and keeper is just shit.
Skrtel is the only one who is faultless.
We play with a holding midfielder and often two more hard working midfielders in front of him. We also have Suarez and Sterling who track back constantly. In fact the only player we have who doesnt do a defensive shift is Sturridge.
Our whole team works back. Our defence and keeper is just shit.
Skrtel is the only one who is faultless.
The issue is that Gerrard isn't always energetic enough for that deep role, he tends to drop too deep meaning everybody else drops too. Then we end up under sustained pressure
He's made saves no keeper should be making this year
Yes he has. Some really good saves, but he's made a couple of howlers as well. I think it's down to experience tbf. He needs to learn when he's supposed to go out and when he's not. Like the one against Norwich. Skrtel had it under control.
Agreed but I think he can learn that it just takes time. I think he's distribution has improved too as the season has gone on.
I certainly wouldn't be binning him off just yet.
For me, he seems to lack the sense of urgency and determination to catch it or punch it out like you need to when catching a falling Ming vase or getting rid of an activated grenade. Could be a judgment problem, or a confidence thing, or both.
At this point, until he gets better, I'd rather he stayed on the line and pulled off his superb reflex shot stops. At least the opponents don't have a gaping net to head into.
Needs to improve, but I'm not going to say he needs replacing yet. Reina was a top shot stopper but also pretty suspect early on when coming for crosses when he first arrived. Maybe not as sloppy as Mignolet is right now in that regard, but he did have enough slips (not necessarily leading to goals) to warrant it being mentioned in a forum I frequented as an area needing improvement on.
As others have mentioned, Mig's distribution has improved. That raises some hope that he can improve in other areas too.
At this point, until he gets better, I'd rather he stayed on the line and pulled off his superb reflex shot stops. At least the opponents don't have a gaping net to head into.
Needs to improve, but I'm not going to say he needs replacing yet. Reina was a top shot stopper but also pretty suspect early on when coming for crosses when he first arrived. Maybe not as sloppy as Mignolet is right now in that regard, but he did have enough slips (not necessarily leading to goals) to warrant it being mentioned in a forum I frequented as an area needing improvement on.
As others have mentioned, Mig's distribution has improved. That raises some hope that he can improve in other areas too.
Mostly because it annoys me how quickly people give up on 2 new first team signings. Its so easy calling someone shite without actually backing it up.
Secondly because I like them both and want them to succeed. I've had it with chopping and changing if they warrant a chance.
And rather see us develop the potential we have in both and spend our money where we need to.
We are 9th in the possession table and 9th in shots allowed in total. Behind the likes of City, Soton, Everton, Chelsea etc.
Ming has made the 5th most saves in the league.
You dont rate him which is fine. But making him and the defence look worse to suit your agenda isnt
Anyhoo, we score goals for fun so I can live it us conceding more this season, and expect Rodgers to adress it this summer.
You're basically just soft, Hansern.
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