Man United (a) post-match
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His energy levels throughout were disgraceful. Even towards the end he lost the ball and stood still.
He has done that so many times, I have said about it on so many occasions...A least Gomez tracts back Think that I would drop him, and stick Gomez in there instead
For an hour we couldn't score 11v11.....That's a fact whether people like it or not.
To then blame Nunez sending off for a reason we "dropped" 2 points when we were never in that position.....HELLO?!?!!?
It is what it is right, footage is made for investigation/analysis purposes...I'm hopeful Klopp and his staff would've seen it a hundreds times over by now.
Do we need to ask ourselves the question, is it a case of Trent can't defend.....or that Trent doesn't want to defend.
But when we're on the attack his energy levels suddenly rise by 500%?
The boy doesn't want to defend.
It's quite clear to see from his body language when we're countered, he doesn't want to track back, stick with runners, jump for the ball.
Tbf he was so shit in that game that getting sent off probably gained us a point
I can’t say I noticed him getting forward with energy. He only moved up to take corners or bad throw ins.
As I said already to another poster, Nunez was so shit in that game that we were actually better for those few minutes after he was sent off without him
The pattern of the game didn't really change from the 1st to last minute, the mentality of the players does....they knew they had to step up and give an extra 10% if they wanted something from the game and we ended up with what we deserved.
The worrying thing about the two first away matches is that we've clearly not been ready at all.
Game kicks off and we're at 80%. Giving the ball away, not playing it tight and generally look unorganized.
Very weird to see that at Old Trafford after it happened in the first game.
Game kicks off and we're at 80%. Giving the ball away, not playing it tight and generally look unorganized.
Very weird to see that at Old Trafford after it happened in the first game.
Shit kick off times and we start off shit.
Bad news that game.
Jota would been sniffing round those goalmouth scrambles, we need him back. And, let's face it, Diaz is nothing like the same goal threat as Mane was. He'll score worldies but he won't get Mane's numbers.
We should try playing the 4 of them, Jota off Nunez, Diaz and Salah wide.
Our full-backs have always been key to our success. Robbo has been off it for a while and Trent is trying too hard. When these guys are off their game, it's striking how little creativity there is elsewhere.
Jota would been sniffing round those goalmouth scrambles, we need him back. And, let's face it, Diaz is nothing like the same goal threat as Mane was. He'll score worldies but he won't get Mane's numbers.
We should try playing the 4 of them, Jota off Nunez, Diaz and Salah wide.
Our full-backs have always been key to our success. Robbo has been off it for a while and Trent is trying too hard. When these guys are off their game, it's striking how little creativity there is elsewhere.
I can see the logic in us looking at problems all over the team but it’s like 20-21 season. We broke the midfield to fix a defense and that broke team. It’s the same shit again, we fixed that season by playing our best midfielders in their original position and that’s even with 2 championship defenders at the end.
Midfield needed fixing last season even with 9 midfielders on our books. Same thing this season but just a year older now with most of the midfield injured this season.
Wasn’t a huge ask to spend upto 50m by FSG to save this season but again we seemed to try and play the waiting game. Makes no sense but here we are.
Before we over analyse the shit out of the whole squad, FSG need to spend now to fix the midfield and should fix the team…
However right now till we get our 3pts, I can’t see how those 3pts will come yet..
Midfield needed fixing last season even with 9 midfielders on our books. Same thing this season but just a year older now with most of the midfield injured this season.
Wasn’t a huge ask to spend upto 50m by FSG to save this season but again we seemed to try and play the waiting game. Makes no sense but here we are.
Before we over analyse the shit out of the whole squad, FSG need to spend now to fix the midfield and should fix the team…
However right now till we get our 3pts, I can’t see how those 3pts will come yet..
Part of me feels sad to read this because on the 1 hand it's kinda true....but is that only down to the pressure everyone else put on us?
Then on the other hand it's like what is good enough? Being the undisputed best winning the quadruple and not a thing less?......We came away with 2 trophies, got to a CL final but for a miracle of a keeper performance we would've won it and missing out by a point.......
We started off by beating City 3-1 and getting to lift a pretty nice looking shield it has to be said.
he looks horrible there
Brizzle does that! We leave him to it! I just hope you've changed your mind, on Kieta's replacment
As i said in the past Right hand side targeted by the opposition and sticking a defensive minded player there might not be a bad option. So if the owners are not going to invest I would look at
-------------------------------------------Alison-----------------------
Hendo/Gomez--------Gomez/Nat----------------VVD----------Robbo
---------------------Trent-------------------Fabs-----------Stef B(new kid)-------
--------------------------------------Harvey/Fab C--------------------------------
-------------------------------Salah--------------------Nunez/Diaz----------
Ideally if I had my way I would have wanted a RW (Leroy Sane, but would be happy with budget version Sarr) A DM in Danilo and AM/CM in Lucas Paqueta. And then I wouldn't care i we couldn't sign Jude
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Brizzle’s been fired - his power ran out last season.
I haven’t changed my mind on Keita - which was that we should sell and replace - but it’s not my mind that needs changed and I’m not going to get depressed if we don’t sell and replace.
That's no good, we are all waiting for 21 year old Jude to save us next season. The guy that plays in a league dominated by one team for which he don't play for, the guy who has won nothing, the guy who has never played in the PL. But he is the only player our rocket scientists think is the only suitable midfielder in this whole world...no universe despite many of our fellow PL teams getting more than able pressing midfielders for less than 50M.
the tragedy of this is that they’re the same United, they played on the break and we had 70% possession
Problem with this, is even if you're playing in midfield, you have to defend and show the body language to recover when countered. Unless we're going to be using the lad in a free role in the front 3 now, he needs to get his act together when we lose the ball.
They were shite and we shafted ourselves.
Trent has turned into our version of Pogba, does what he wants when he wants and expects everyone else to do the hard yards for him. He needs dropping.
Imagine watching Trent this season and thinking his problem is that he's trying too hard
No, that’s harsh.
It's not. We just don't have a Tsimikas for Trent or he would be dropped /rested.
A piece from Andy Hunter at the guardian.
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Liverpool have made their worst start to a Premier League season under Jürgen Klopp, failing to win any of their opening three matches for the first time since 2012‑13 and being leapfrogged by “crisis club” Manchester United following the defeat at Old Trafford on Monday. We take a look at the reasons why …
A lengthy injury list
Having pushed last season for the reintroduction of the five‑substitutes rule, Klopp has yet to reap the benefits because of a high number of absentees. The Liverpool bench at Old Trafford – though not the starting XI – paled in comparison with the experience and game-changing options available to Erik ten Hag. Klopp had 14 outfield players from what could be considered his first‑choice squad and turned to the 19‑year‑old Fábio Carvalho, making only the third Premier League substitute appearance of his career, to spark the belated response against United. Liverpool started the season with injury problems – Diogo Jota and Ibrahima Konaté chief among them – and the list has grown with every passing week. “The witch” who is cursing the AXA Training Centre according to Klopp is not entirely accountable for stretching Liverpool’s resources. Darwin Núñez is absent because of his own recklessness. The headbutt he landed on Crystal Palace’s Joachim Andersen means the centre-forward will again be suspended when Liverpool seek their first league win of the season against Bournemouth on Saturday.
Midfield toils
Naby Keïta’s latest fitness problem meant four midfielders were out injured against United, although that does not excuse Liverpool’s inability to deal with the home side’s speed, mobility and aggression. Only one of the quartet – Thiago Alcântara – could be seen as a certain starter with everyone available and Klopp’s decision to keep Fabinho on the bench for the first 59 minutes contributed to the team’s failings. The manager was adamant this summer that there was no need to sign another midfielder, such were the options and qualities at his disposal. Klopp wants to keep a pathway open for teenagers Harvey Elliott and Carvalho, and cannot be faulted for holding to that principle given it has been fundamental to Liverpool’s development as a team and a business on his watch. Starting the 36-year-old James Milner in two of the opening three games is not a healthy sign for a club harbouring title ambitions, however, and without sudden improvement in the treatment room Klopp may need to revise his stance on reinforcement. If he hasn’t already done so, that is. A move for Jude Bellingham is not expected until next summer with Borussia Dortmund refusing to consider selling the England international this season. Milner, Keïta and Alex Oxlade‑Chamberlain are out of contract next summer but Liverpool may need to start rebuilding their midfield earlier than planned.
Poor starts
Andy Robertson’s exasperation was palpable after Jadon Sancho had extended Liverpool’s run of conceding first to seven successive Premier League games. Monday was the first loss in the sequence, indeed Liverpool’s first league defeat of 2022 (so let us not send the mantle of crisis club down the M62 just yet), but it has become an alarming habit in keeping with sluggish starts in both away matches this season at Fulham and United. The Scotland captain lamented: “We gave every team a goal start and that’s the base of the game. You can’t keep giving yourself an uphill battle. We’ve conceded an early goal again, started slow again, that’s what needs to change. We need to pull our fingers out quickly.” Liverpool played every game possible last season when reaching a third Champions League final in five years and winning both domestic cups. That came after a rare, extended and uninterrupted pre‑season that stands in stark contrast to the truncated programme in this World Cup year, which included the return of the lucrative overseas tour that Klopp dislikes intensely. Despite the manager’s claims to the contrary, last season’s exertions may have taken a toll – on concentration as well as fitness levels.
Missing Mané and an edge
Losing a player of Sadio Mané’s ability would disrupt any side, especially after six years in which his understanding with Roberto Firmino and Mohamed Salah was vital to Liverpool’s success, and the transition of Klopp’s forward line has hardly been helped by Núñez’s sending-off in only his second Premier League outing. Or by the continued absence of Jota. The immediate impact of Mané’s departure has been felt in front of goal rather than in Liverpool’s overall game, which will comfort Klopp as he considers how to ignite the campaign. Liverpool have averaged 17.3 shots per game this season. Only Manchester City, with 18, are averaging more. Liverpool continue to dominate possession, averaging 70% per game. Again only City, with 70.5%, have averaged more. But whereas City have registered more shots on target than any other team and scored the joint-highest number of goals, Liverpool are joint 10th for shots on target with 4.3 per game and 10th for goals scored. Klopp touched on the problem at Old Trafford. “Until the final pass or final decision, we played like we should have played,” he said. “Against so many legs in the defence, it is not easy to create a new chance every 20 seconds but we had a lot of moments in the box.”
Disruption and weakness
Liverpool’s frustration has manifested itself in rare shows of dissent and indiscipline. There was the Núñez headbutt – the first red card for violent conduct of the Klopp era – and Milner berating Virgil van Dijk after United’s opening goal. The captain, Jordan Henderson, also exchanged words with Trent Alexander‑Arnold on the Old Trafford pitch. The two defenders could have no complaints. Both were poor on Monday and on the opening day at Fulham. Erik ten Hag targeted Alexander-Arnold and was repaid when the right‑back, as well as van Dijk, switched off for Sancho’s breakthrough. The United manager also sought to exploit the space behind Alexander‑Arnold when Liverpool pressed for an equaliser in the second half, switching Marcus Rashford to the left at half-time and seeing the striker sprint clear for the second goal. Van Dijk has had three central defensive partners in three Premier League matches. He cut a dejected figure on the final whistle, acknowledging the Liverpool fans with brief applause before heading for the changing room, where no doubt a serious bout of self‑criticism took place.
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Liverpool have made their worst start to a Premier League season under Jürgen Klopp, failing to win any of their opening three matches for the first time since 2012‑13 and being leapfrogged by “crisis club” Manchester United following the defeat at Old Trafford on Monday. We take a look at the reasons why …
A lengthy injury list
Having pushed last season for the reintroduction of the five‑substitutes rule, Klopp has yet to reap the benefits because of a high number of absentees. The Liverpool bench at Old Trafford – though not the starting XI – paled in comparison with the experience and game-changing options available to Erik ten Hag. Klopp had 14 outfield players from what could be considered his first‑choice squad and turned to the 19‑year‑old Fábio Carvalho, making only the third Premier League substitute appearance of his career, to spark the belated response against United. Liverpool started the season with injury problems – Diogo Jota and Ibrahima Konaté chief among them – and the list has grown with every passing week. “The witch” who is cursing the AXA Training Centre according to Klopp is not entirely accountable for stretching Liverpool’s resources. Darwin Núñez is absent because of his own recklessness. The headbutt he landed on Crystal Palace’s Joachim Andersen means the centre-forward will again be suspended when Liverpool seek their first league win of the season against Bournemouth on Saturday.
Midfield toils
Naby Keïta’s latest fitness problem meant four midfielders were out injured against United, although that does not excuse Liverpool’s inability to deal with the home side’s speed, mobility and aggression. Only one of the quartet – Thiago Alcântara – could be seen as a certain starter with everyone available and Klopp’s decision to keep Fabinho on the bench for the first 59 minutes contributed to the team’s failings. The manager was adamant this summer that there was no need to sign another midfielder, such were the options and qualities at his disposal. Klopp wants to keep a pathway open for teenagers Harvey Elliott and Carvalho, and cannot be faulted for holding to that principle given it has been fundamental to Liverpool’s development as a team and a business on his watch. Starting the 36-year-old James Milner in two of the opening three games is not a healthy sign for a club harbouring title ambitions, however, and without sudden improvement in the treatment room Klopp may need to revise his stance on reinforcement. If he hasn’t already done so, that is. A move for Jude Bellingham is not expected until next summer with Borussia Dortmund refusing to consider selling the England international this season. Milner, Keïta and Alex Oxlade‑Chamberlain are out of contract next summer but Liverpool may need to start rebuilding their midfield earlier than planned.
Poor starts
Andy Robertson’s exasperation was palpable after Jadon Sancho had extended Liverpool’s run of conceding first to seven successive Premier League games. Monday was the first loss in the sequence, indeed Liverpool’s first league defeat of 2022 (so let us not send the mantle of crisis club down the M62 just yet), but it has become an alarming habit in keeping with sluggish starts in both away matches this season at Fulham and United. The Scotland captain lamented: “We gave every team a goal start and that’s the base of the game. You can’t keep giving yourself an uphill battle. We’ve conceded an early goal again, started slow again, that’s what needs to change. We need to pull our fingers out quickly.” Liverpool played every game possible last season when reaching a third Champions League final in five years and winning both domestic cups. That came after a rare, extended and uninterrupted pre‑season that stands in stark contrast to the truncated programme in this World Cup year, which included the return of the lucrative overseas tour that Klopp dislikes intensely. Despite the manager’s claims to the contrary, last season’s exertions may have taken a toll – on concentration as well as fitness levels.
Missing Mané and an edge
Losing a player of Sadio Mané’s ability would disrupt any side, especially after six years in which his understanding with Roberto Firmino and Mohamed Salah was vital to Liverpool’s success, and the transition of Klopp’s forward line has hardly been helped by Núñez’s sending-off in only his second Premier League outing. Or by the continued absence of Jota. The immediate impact of Mané’s departure has been felt in front of goal rather than in Liverpool’s overall game, which will comfort Klopp as he considers how to ignite the campaign. Liverpool have averaged 17.3 shots per game this season. Only Manchester City, with 18, are averaging more. Liverpool continue to dominate possession, averaging 70% per game. Again only City, with 70.5%, have averaged more. But whereas City have registered more shots on target than any other team and scored the joint-highest number of goals, Liverpool are joint 10th for shots on target with 4.3 per game and 10th for goals scored. Klopp touched on the problem at Old Trafford. “Until the final pass or final decision, we played like we should have played,” he said. “Against so many legs in the defence, it is not easy to create a new chance every 20 seconds but we had a lot of moments in the box.”
Disruption and weakness
Liverpool’s frustration has manifested itself in rare shows of dissent and indiscipline. There was the Núñez headbutt – the first red card for violent conduct of the Klopp era – and Milner berating Virgil van Dijk after United’s opening goal. The captain, Jordan Henderson, also exchanged words with Trent Alexander‑Arnold on the Old Trafford pitch. The two defenders could have no complaints. Both were poor on Monday and on the opening day at Fulham. Erik ten Hag targeted Alexander-Arnold and was repaid when the right‑back, as well as van Dijk, switched off for Sancho’s breakthrough. The United manager also sought to exploit the space behind Alexander‑Arnold when Liverpool pressed for an equaliser in the second half, switching Marcus Rashford to the left at half-time and seeing the striker sprint clear for the second goal. Van Dijk has had three central defensive partners in three Premier League matches. He cut a dejected figure on the final whistle, acknowledging the Liverpool fans with brief applause before heading for the changing room, where no doubt a serious bout of self‑criticism took place.
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It's not mate, look at him objectively this season. We are struggling on his side of the field constantly and hes strolling around the pitch trying to hit winners from 30 yards. He needs to pull his head out of his arse. I've no doubt he's who Robbo was alluding to in his comments, seems like Hendo had words with him after the game too.
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