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Lucas transfer was done and dusted

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To state the bleedin' obvious: the reason Mascher made far fewer tackles from behind than Lucas does is that Mascher didn't let opponents get ahead of him as often as Lucas does. Players go past Lucas, and then he's chasing them towards his own goal, and he resorts to a push or a foot hooked around the ankle. Obviously he's not entirely to blame for being in that position - someone else's error has led to it - but there's plenty of opportunity for him to anticipate more sharply and be onthe front foot (and when he does so he's excellent at it). And he's got to realise that, when an opponent DOES go past him, it's either down to the back four to deal with it, or him to catch up and usher the opponent away from the danger area. As I said, he does loads of things very, very well, but it's as if he turns into a naive kid when he has to chase an opponent.
 
Lucas back to his trade mark best, give away a free kick in a dangerous position, I was getting worried he hadn't done that for a while.
I still like him, and wouldn't sell him because we wouldn't get that much for him and he seems like someone who is good to be around, good for the team, but I would aim to get a proper DM.
Lucas is definitely a keeper.
 
To state the bleedin' obvious: the reason Mascher made far fewer tackles from behind than Lucas does is that Mascher didn't let opponents get ahead of him as often as Lucas does. Players go past Lucas, and then he's chasing them towards his own goal, and he resorts to a push or a foot hooked around the ankle. Obviously he's not entirely to blame for being in that position - someone else's error has led to it - but there's plenty of opportunity for him to anticipate more sharply and be onthe front foot (and when he does so he's excellent at it). And he's got to realise that, when an opponent DOES go past him, it's either down to the back four to deal with it, or him to catch up and usher the opponent away from the danger area. As I said, he does loads of things very, very well, but it's as if he turns into a naive kid when he has to chase an opponent.

You're mostly right, and it was a mistake to bring Masch into this discussion.

The tackles from behind, like the so called silly fouls, could be cut out. That said, there's far too much emphasis on them here - they are noticeable errors but they really don't happen as often as suggested and the statistics back that up.

To me, it feels like it's the last stick with which to beat Lucas (it used to be sideways passing) so anytime he does it, it ends up being mentioned and exaggerated.

Some people were convinced that Klopp's arrival spelled the end for Lucas.
Now that it appears not to be the case, I wish everyone could get behind the lad. You'd think this would be easy considering his personality and the fact that he is playing well. The fact that he is criticised heavily even when he is performing better than most tells it's own story.
 
The awesome thing is there are people who say, he is not the best we can have but he is definitely worth keeping as a backup....backup for it? Either say you think he is good enough for us, or say he is not good enough for us. There is no middle ground there....why would you want to keep a player who you know is not good enough to start for us as back up?

For the first 40 minutes he really had a proper shite game. The moment we scored....all that changed, suddenly we had people saying he was the best player on the park? Seriously?
 
The awesome thing is there are people who say, he is not the best we can have but he is definitely worth keeping as a backup....backup for it? Either say you think he is good enough for us, or say he is not good enough for us. There is no middle ground there....why would you want to keep a player who you know is not good enough to start for us as back up?

For the first 40 minutes he really had a proper shite game. The moment we scored....all that changed, suddenly we had people saying he was the best player on the park? Seriously?

Ok. He's good enough for us.
 
The oddest thing about Lucas and those fouls is that he keeps being suckered into them by the same tricks he himself can do so well. Remember him against Everton, driving Moyes into apoplexy with his clever winning of free kick after free kick? Like Hamman before him, he can do it really well, which makes his own apparent naive blunderings so bizarre. He must know what's going to happen, and yet he still gets drawn in. If Pep Lijnders is still there to work on specific issues one-on-one with players, he should work with Lucas on this to eradicate it once and for all.
 
The awesome thing is there are people who say, he is not the best we can have but he is definitely worth keeping as a backup....backup for it? Either say you think he is good enough for us, or say he is not good enough for us. There is no middle ground there....why would you want to keep a player who you know is not good enough to start for us as back up?

For the first 40 minutes he really had a proper shite game. The moment we scored....all that changed, suddenly we had people saying he was the best player on the park? Seriously?
I've watched the game 3 times and thought he was superb from the first whistle.
Incidentally it was his famed 'sticking a foot in from behind' that stopped an Oscar break that lead directly to the attack where we equalized.

It's shit like that that people miss.
He was the best player on the park
 
He gives away way too many sloppy free kicks. I reckon he will be one of the first players replaced by Klopp.
 
I've watched the game 3 times and thought he was superb from the first whistle.
Incidentally it was his famed 'sticking a foot in from behind' that stopped an Oscar break that lead directly to the attack where we equalized.

It's shit like that that people miss.
He was the best player on the park

I think I need to watch the game again.
 
Ha football is an 11 man game.
Rewatch the 90 mins ( I have already) and just watch Lucas, it will open your eyes. I've never been a major fan but in the last 7 games he's been overall out best player. Doing so much well. Of course if he was bigger, stronger, more athletic and a better tackler he would be a world beater, but I'm certainly happy with him now. Dare I see he made us tick yesterday, constantly picking the ball off the back four and giving and option to the attacking three when in trouble.
He had the most passes on the pitch in the first half and complete almost double the passes of the two Chelsea CM's.
And again I was never a big fan

So you think he was great because he did the absolute basics of his job?

And pass counts are for fucking morons
 
I loved Mascherano. He was like a little terrier putting himself about all over the pitch, winning the ball for us and setting up attacks.
 
Lucas was back at that form before his injuries. And this 'he can tackle' bollocks is nonsense. Pretty sure Milner has more yellow cards already this season...

He's no ones number two. Klopp will get someone number two to him
 
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