Lucas transfer was done and dusted
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Watch his interview as I thought he often fouls on purpose to break up the game and allow us to regroup. And I don't think that was a yellow and the man paid to officiate agrees so hey ho.
He was superb.
I've been saying it for just over 5 years but as you were.
I wasn't talking about you specifically old chap - although I can see the reason for the slight paranoia [emoji48]
The only other option was Allen.
Which is an excellent point
This. Klopp said so himself. He had no options on the bench.
Not to good for Allen though..
He could have played Milner there if he wanted to
Hadn't he been hooked for being a bit wank by then?
Yes, 3 mins earlier
The wider issue is the point - other than Henderson the rest of our central options are pretty average, and sadly Rossiter looks a long way off too.
No worries.
I was firmly in the 'he's ok but needs replacing pronto camp' but in the last 7 games he's looked very very good to me and dare I say it made us tick.
Let's see how long it continues
It's strange really that the press, Mourinho (hinting rather than actually saying it) and most fans whether they be anti Lucas or Pro Lucas or even on the fence regarding Lucas have focused on only one Liverpool Player that could have got a red card.
Can could easily (and probably should) have received a yellow card for the tackle on Willian in the first half before getting a yellow card in the second half for another foul on Willian. Bizarre.
Also Skrtel barely warrants a mention from anyone for clearly leading with his arm on Costa in a challenge by our Goal line (maybe because most people would want to give the fucker a forearm smash), But gets widely praised for not reacting to Costa's kick in the chest. If the Linesman had been on that side of the pitch he may well have got punished.
If either Can or Skrtel had been dismissed they would have got all sorts of stick on here for letting the team down unnecessarily but Lucas is criticised for not getting sent off , however fortunate he may have been.
Can could easily (and probably should) have received a yellow card for the tackle on Willian in the first half before getting a yellow card in the second half for another foul on Willian. Bizarre.
Also Skrtel barely warrants a mention from anyone for clearly leading with his arm on Costa in a challenge by our Goal line (maybe because most people would want to give the fucker a forearm smash), But gets widely praised for not reacting to Costa's kick in the chest. If the Linesman had been on that side of the pitch he may well have got punished.
If either Can or Skrtel had been dismissed they would have got all sorts of stick on here for letting the team down unnecessarily but Lucas is criticised for not getting sent off , however fortunate he may have been.
Hindsight and all that. You could argue that Can wouldn't have made the second tackle, had he got booked. I think the crux point is that he gives away alot of freekicks. Some people might argue its part and parcel with his position, but other players in his position are clever with it. Lucas makes alot of crucial interceptions, but he gives away alot of needless freekicks and picks up alot of cards as a result.
I note that you ingnored the Skrtel incident. Milner doesn't get the same criticism even though he's already had a ban for accumulating yellow cards this season and one of his clever fouls led to Southampton's equaliser last week.
I'm surprised he didn't get himself sent off first half covering for the hapless Can and Milner.
It is wrong to castigate Lovren for the number of defensive mistakes he tends to make in a game and then absolve a defensive midfielder of all responsibilities when he almost costs us the game on at least more than one occasion in a game. But people go the distance and say he was the best player on the pitch...that's what boggles the mind.
In his position, he can make tactical fouls, but that has to be the last option....we tend to get there at least five times every game he plays...that is because he is slow as Keniget says, and that is not fixable.
Lack of options....hence why some of us are recommending buying a DM as top priority. He is the only DM at our club, thanks to Rodgers shunning purchasing a DM for our club.
The momemnt a manager has ambitions of finishing higher than 4th in a season he will be binned quicker than Rodger's title challenge.
In his position, he can make tactical fouls, but that has to be the last option....we tend to get there at least five times every game he plays...that is because he is slow as Keniget says, and that is not fixable.
Lack of options....hence why some of us are recommending buying a DM as top priority. He is the only DM at our club, thanks to Rodgers shunning purchasing a DM for our club.
The momemnt a manager has ambitions of finishing higher than 4th in a season he will be binned quicker than Rodger's title challenge.
It's almost like he knows what he's doing.
Perish the thought.
Whatever you think of Lucas, its not his fault that he's the best DM we have at the moment.
Incidentally he was excellent yesterday, and no I don't give a fuck what anyone says his tackle on Ramires wasn't worth a second yellow.
Incidentally he was excellent yesterday, and no I don't give a fuck what anyone says his tackle on Ramires wasn't worth a second yellow.
Shunning purchases?
Rodgers bought Allen and Can. Don't tell me that they weren't thought of as Lucas replacements or competition. He was also ready to sell Lucas which would have probably made you and others happy. Who would have played in that position then?
I thought Lucas did amazingly well to not commit a foul for the last 22 minutes.
I've always thought his fouling was a tactic not so much stupidity
There is another way to look at this. Yes, Lucas fouls a lot, but he doesn't really get punished for it – I think he's been sent off only once in his entire LFC career. It's just one of the quirks of football – there is this category of players who foul so consistently that somehow they force the referees to go much more lenient on them than other players. The likes of Van Bommel, Gattuso, Scholes, De Jong, and Thiago Motta come to mind – if those players were judged by the same standard refereeing as everyone else, they would get a red card in every 3rd game or so (no exaggeration), but somehow a combination of repeated blatant fouling and stupid innocent charm gets them off the hook time and time again.
Lucas is clearly doing his best to join this legendary and elite group of bad boys. I suspect the key to this is training every referee to accept the infractions as something normal, so fouling needs to be as frequent and blatant as possible. Sure, it might drive Mourinho and every other opposition manager crazy, but this is what these players do and they are experts at pushing the line without almost ever crossing it. So you might ask is this skill even useful for their teams? The evidence says it really is – if it wasn't a limited player like Van Bommel would not get to play for Barca, Milan and Bayern in his career (similarly for other players on that list).
I guess it's an important tactical advantage to be able to stop almost any opposition attack at will and rarely get punished for it. The trick is to make the foul as early and as far up the field as possible – the one that almost got Lucas in trouble was perfect in that regard: no dangerous free-kick and nipped a counter-attack in the bud. I think in the last few games Lucas has been playing higher up the pitch than he was in most games under Rodgers or other managers before him and maybe that's one reason why he has been more effective. I was originally among the people who thought Lucas would not get much playing time from Klopp; once again (when will we ever learn?) the old dog is proving us wrong.
Well there is the school of thought that fouls don't mean yellow cards and Lucas rarely if ever commits a dangerous or wreckless foul.
He normally gets booked for repeat offences which is normal where he plays.
Well he was nearly sold.
He's a decent player, and played well yesterday, but he would struggle to get into the other teams in the top 6 starting line up. He has good games like yesterday, and he has bad games like we've seen over the 8 years or whatever it is. If we want to be challenging then I'd like us to improve on his position, and that's perfectly possible. I would keep him around, though, because he'd be a good squad player and seems like he's a bit of a leader in the dressing room.
He's a decent player, and played well yesterday, but he would struggle to get into the other teams in the top 6 starting line up. He has good games like yesterday, and he has bad games like we've seen over the 8 years or whatever it is. If we want to be challenging then I'd like us to improve on his position, and that's perfectly possible. I would keep him around, though, because he'd be a good squad player and seems like he's a bit of a leader in the dressing room.
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