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Lucas appreciation thread

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Lets be honest - there's no way on this earth that Lucas is worth 12m; I don't think he's even worth what we paid for him at this point.

He had a great game at St James and has in fact played pretty well for a few games on the trot. All those who marked him with a 6 or didn't mark him higher than Yossi, Mascher or Babel etc are just embarassingly blinkered. Smicer had seasons of absolute dross packed in his kit bag when he left Anfield but anyone who gave him less than 7.5 or even 8 for his final game needs treatment.

I've said for quite a while that Lucas is a lot better than plenty on here give him credit for; he doesn't have the dynamic presence and performance of Stevie so will always disappoint on that level. He was far from the finished article that Xabi was on his arrival so was obviously going to come up short in that comparison. Mascher - he's a unique player who has made his name through the simple philosophy of hassling, harrying and tackling anything that moves. Lucas is nothing like him - never will be and doesn't want to be. What he does have is a very good first touch, lovely passing - particularly first time passing, great awareness and a quite severe shot. There were patches of it on display but never consistently and always seemingly drowned by his crude tackling, the ease with which he was shrugged from the ball and a penchant for sitting back and going for the ride.

The fact is that those positive aspects of his game have been to the fore in recent weeks which has certainly pleased me and given me confidence that what I saw in his game is real. It doesn't mean that other side of his game, the far less appealing side, has disappeared. He will have the cross of being very young in a foreign country with the subsequent performance levels to carry for some time. Only with consistently strong displays will he be able to convince the doubters that he has what it takes - and rightly so. The last few weeks have marked a start - an excellent start - but whether its a turning point in his career or just a mirage will take months to determine.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=28950.msg730582#msg730582 date=1227373134]
Absolutely useless cunt today. Couldn't even string a basic pass together.

How this bloke won the same trophy as Kaka and Ronaldinho is a fuckin joke.
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didnt do bad with the thirty yard through ball for gerrards second mind you.... and forced given into a couple of blinding saves... and he was shit pushed out right apart from the assist like.
 
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=28950.msg730582#msg730582 date=1227373134]
Absolutely useless cunt today. Couldn't even string a basic pass together.

How this bloke won the same trophy as Kaka and Ronaldinho is a fuckin joke.
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didnt do bad with the thirty yard through ball for gerrards second mind you.... and forced given into a couple of blinding saves... and he was shit pushed out right apart from the assist like.
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Hmmm
 
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=28950.msg764284#msg764284 date=1230513091]
Lets be honest - there's no way on this earth that Lucas is worth 12m; I don't think he's even worth what we paid for him at this point.
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Trust me, as a midfield player marketable all over Europe, he is worth an awful lot.

is Diarra worth £20m? Valencia £16m?

Lets face it, you and keniget know fuck all about players and their value.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg764298#msg764298 date=1230519065]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=28950.msg764284#msg764284 date=1230513091]
Lets be honest - there's no way on this earth that Lucas is worth 12m; I don't think he's even worth what we paid for him at this point.
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Trust me, as a midfield player marketable all over Europe, he is worth an awful lot.

is Diarra worth £20m? Valencia £16m?

Lets face it, you and keniget know fuck all about players and their value.

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Come on Rebel, Wiz is a very good and knowledgable poster.
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg764298#msg764298 date=1230519065]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=28950.msg764284#msg764284 date=1230513091]
Lets be honest - there's no way on this earth that Lucas is worth 12m; I don't think he's even worth what we paid for him at this point.
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Trust me, as a midfield player marketable all over Europe, he is worth an awful lot.

is Diarra worth £20m? Valencia £16m?

Lets face it, you and keniget know fuck all about players and their value.

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Come on Rebel, Wiz is a very good and knowledgable poster.


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who knows fuck all about transfer values
 
I think it's time for Rebel's medication.

Quick, somebody give him some statistics to distract him while we find the temazepam
 
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[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=28950.msg764284#msg764284 date=1230513091]
Lets be honest - there's no way on this earth that Lucas is worth 12m; I don't think he's even worth what we paid for him at this point.
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Trust me, as a midfield player marketable all over Europe, he is worth an awful lot.

is Diarra worth £20m? Valencia £16m?

Lets face it, you and keniget know fuck all about players and their value.

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Come on Rebel, Wiz is a very good and knowledgable poster.


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who knows fuck all about transfer values


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In fairness who does know transfer values?

At the moment you would be hard pushed to get any manager to pay over 6M for Lucas. He simple hasn't shown enough yet.

I'm a fan of his but so far he hasn't backed up the 6M we paid for him with performances on the pitch. He has time and his last 3 games have been very encouraging but I don't think Wiz was far off.
 
Haven't time to read this thread, but it's worth pointing out that Brendan claimed "Danny Guthrie is 10 time better than Lucas would ever be".

HAHAHAHAHAHA

p.s. Was I the only one on this site to continually rate Lucas?
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=28950.msg764327#msg764327 date=1230523292]
Haven't time to read this thread, but it's worth pointing out that Brendan claimed "Danny Guthrie is 10 time better than Lucas would ever be".

HAHAHAHAHAHA

p.s. Was I the only one on this site to continually rate Lucas?
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Hardly. He has had quite a few supporters. And besides playing well against the midfield Newcastle had out doesn't mean much.

There a number of posters on here that have rated Lucas.
 
I thought he was very good yesterday, and easily his best game for us. Looked a different player. BUT, saying that, Dossena had a good game for us a few back and he's fucking shite.....
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764451#msg764451 date=1230552198]
Hayden mullins is ten times better than lucas
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What did you think of Lucas's performance yesterday Bren?
 
He was good yesterday yeah, he seems to be improving his game or getting comfortable in the league or whatever.
 
Lucas was one of several Liverpool players who had very good games.

Only Reina and Masher dipped below that level, and Steven Gerrard played way above that level; he was sublime

I don't mind acknowledging a player who has a good game, but as usual the band of 6cm joeys like headwand and khl made it painful to watch

He's still not good enough, but I will let the armchair superfans bask in their 'moment of glory' from thousands of miles away
 
i fell into the trap of thinking the thread was new so when i read "lucas was gash, is gash" thought it was being overly harsh in light of how well he played yesterday.

He was gash in the games earlier, true.

Played very fucking well yesterday, mind you he fucking needs to.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764460#msg764460 date=1230552828]
Lucas was one of several Liverpool players who had very good games.

Only Reina and Masher dipped below that level, and Steven Gerrard played way above that level; he was sublime

I don't mind acknowledging a player who has a good game, but as usual the band of 6cm joeys like headwand and khl made it painful to watch

He's still not good enough, but I will let the armchair superfans bask in their 'moment of glory' from thousands of miles away
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Hahaha

You're so affraid of loosing face it's becoming pathetic. Always hiding between your neverending obnoxious attitude.

With you my aristocrat-friend it's all facade and no substance.

*yawn*

Anyways, now go play with yourself again, narcissistic twat.
 
if lucas puts in several performances (in a row) like the one he produced yesterday I will seriously reevaluate my opinion of him. that pass for gerrard was right out of the top drawer, if you watch gerrard's run he doesn't break stride, PERFECTLY weighted pass. I don't think there are five players in the liverpool squad that could have made that pass.
 
bren is absolutely correct lucas has been piss poor for an age so its a bit soon for 'told you so' post. even heskey had a purple patch.
I will say however what yesterday showed is the lad has ability which he hadn't shown before. only with consistancy will I change my opinion of him. some will say why not apply the same priciple to babel, well, I've seen babel perform so his dip is obviously mental rather than a lack of talent.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764504#msg764504 date=1230554254]
The drivel and Headwand have been on fire in this thread

Haha
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Shit happens. You were an utter mess in yesterdays match-thread yourself remember?

- I hate Lucas

- Lucas is shit

- Goodbye three points

And still you've got the nerve to wonder why there's actually people on here who's getting quite fed up with your shenanigans??
 
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[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=28950.msg764284#msg764284 date=1230513091]
Lets be honest - there's no way on this earth that Lucas is worth 12m; I don't think he's even worth what we paid for him at this point.
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Trust me, as a midfield player marketable all over Europe, he is worth an awful lot.

is Diarra worth £20m? Valencia £16m?

Lets face it, you and keniget know fuck all about players and their value.

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Hah!

And what, you do?
 
I won't be as gutted the next time I see his name on the team sheet as long as its not against Chelsea etc.

Lucas did the simple things very well yesterday and also looked like he might get a goal and assisted well. That said one game doesn't make a player. We need to see more of these games more often.
 
Bruno Cheyrou played well once too you know.....








He's still not worth a bag of turds until he's done it for 10 in a row.



Next topic please.
 
He had a good game yesterday, but one negative point that stood out with lucas yesterday was his lack of effort and drive in trying to immediately regain possession after losing it. He seems to give up once possession is lost and just amble back towards our end of the pitch whereas players such as gerard and mash would have been hurtling around the pitch chasing the ball. Whether its lazyness or a defeatist attitude is beside the point. It doesnt take a shed load of technical ability to work as hard as possible to get the ball back after you have lost it. He seemed fairly energetic most of the time, except when possession had been lost, where his energy seemed to turn to lethargy.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=28950.msg764615#msg764615 date=1230558160]
Bruno Cheyrou played well once too you know.....








He's still not worth a bag of turds until he's done it for 10 in a row.



Next topic please.
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Couldn't agree more.

Lucas has in no way convinced me, he has moved my opinion in a positive direction, but I'm certainly not convinced that he'll make it at the biggest stage. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that he'll keep up this new standards of his.

The spit with Brendan has absolutely nothing to do with this matter mind.
 
Khl, do what you do best; eulogise about any cunt who happens to be Danish

It's your forte

As for Lucas, I think Terrier has summed it up rather memorably

Why is it that everyone I find myself at loggerheads with is almost always from fucking MILES away?

Is it a cultural thing? Sense of humour issue?

I must try and pick a fight with someone from Merseyside one day, I bet it would be fun
 
Yes good point terrier, I guess what you were trying to say is that one game doesn't make a player. Oh wait....
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764635#msg764635 date=1230559466]
Khl, do what you do best; eulogise about any cunt who happens to be Danish

It's your forte

As for Lucas, I think Terrier has summed it up rather memorably

Why is it that everyone I find myself at loggerheads with is almost always from fucking MILES away?

Is it a cultural thing? Sense of humour issue?

I must try and pick a fight with someone from Merseyside one day, I bet it would be fun
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you have a pretty good track record for players but I hope you (and I) are wrong in the case of lucas because I feel we need another central midfielder with an eye for the pass who is also a goal threat. I hope lucas pushes on from this because gerrard can't play every game.
 
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