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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764635#msg764635 date=1230559466]
Khl, do what you do best; eulogise about any cunt who happens to be Danish

It's your forte

As for Lucas, I think Terrier has summed it up rather memorably

Why is it that everyone I find myself at loggerheads with is almost always from fucking MILES away?

Is it a cultural thing? Sense of humour issue?

I must try and pick a fight with someone from Merseyside one day, I bet it would be fun
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I tend to appreciate your sense of humour but ever so often your complete lack of self-distance is cringe-worthy. And don't give me this 'it must be the foreigners fault'-bullshit. You must be having a fcuking laugh. Or are you actually beeing serious here?

*cringes*

Anyways, when you start banging on about how much you 'hate' a Liverpool-player, and especially when it's completely uncalled for, I've got absolutely no problem whatsoever to comment on it. This whether you're Irish, English, French or Vietnamese.
 
Gerrard can't play every game, but hoping that Lucas can be an adequate replacement is futile, given that he's miles slower, is a worse passer, can't tackle, doesn't score goals, and is physically unimposing

So what's the point?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764653#msg764653 date=1230560591]
Gerrard can't play every game, but hoping that Lucas can be an adequate replacement is futile, given that he's miles slower, is a worse passer, can't tackle, doesn't score goals, and is physically unimposing

So what's the point?
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I've been suckered by that performance, the passing was crisp and he was a goal threat (against the admittely poor n'castle) I wait with baited breath to see what the next 'lucas show' will bring, 'n'castle lucas' or 'usual hapless lucas'. fingers crossed for the former 🙂
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764653#msg764653 date=1230560591]
Gerrard can't play every game, but hoping that Lucas can be an adequate replacement is futile, given that he's miles slower, is a worse passer, can't tackle, doesn't score goals, and is physically unimposing

So what's the point?
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To be fair, you could say the same for Alonso (though the passing bit would be debateable). I remember people debating how Alonso could replace Gerrard when there was talk of Stevie going to Chelsea. Of course, no one could ever actually replace him, just like Carrick could never really replace Roy Keane.. but he could do a different job which was effective. Anyhow, that's a side point. Ultimately, Lucas is and will be used in the 2 of our 4-2-3-1, and if anything he's cover for Xabi and Mascherano, although his game is different to both of theirs.

I'll go out on a limb and say, if does indeed adapt and get physically stronger (which one would hope should come with age) to this league. He could conceivably be a more useful midfielder than Xabi given that he's got a yard or two more pace driving forward.

At this point in his career it's fair to say he's distinctly average.. we can argue about supposed potential, but that's neither here nor there.. if he's still about in 3-4years under Rafa, learning off the likes of Mascher, Alonso and Stevie, I would hope he'll have improved into a much better player, where we can all hold our hands up and say.. "he was very average then, but he's great now".
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=28950.msg764643#msg764643 date=1230559747]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764635#msg764635 date=1230559466]
Khl, do what you do best; eulogise about any cunt who happens to be Danish

It's your forte

As for Lucas, I think Terrier has summed it up rather memorably

Why is it that everyone I find myself at loggerheads with is almost always from fucking MILES away?

Is it a cultural thing? Sense of humour issue?

I must try and pick a fight with someone from Merseyside one day, I bet it would be fun
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you have a pretty good track record for players but I hope you (and I) are wrong in the case of lucas because I feel we need another central midfielder with an eye for the pass who is also a goal threat. I hope lucas pushes on from this because gerrard can't play every game.
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he has a pretty shit track record actually on players and on general match predictions (see sig), he used to slate mascherano until people sang his name, soon they will sing lucas' name and he will shut the fuck up again
 
Headwand, you're wrong about everything, always.

I merrily boot you all over the place and you skulk away until, like now, you can have a go back (albeit indirectly)

You're a spineless, laughable twat Headwand, and this isn't the only liverpool website where everyone on it thinks you're a fucking demented bellend
 
[quote author=Anita link=topic=28950.msg765204#msg765204 date=1230596883]
Lucas has played well in the last few games, but why the hell is anyone comparing him to Gerrard?
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because they are daft cunts
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=28950.msg764327#msg764327 date=1230523292]
Haven't time to read this thread, but it's worth pointing out that Brendan claimed "Danny Guthrie is 10 time better than Lucas would ever be".

HAHAHAHAHAHA

p.s. Was I the only one on this site to continually rate Lucas?
[/quote]

I think I'm insulted by that Ryan.

I've said from day one that he's got the qualities needed to build a very good player; great touch, very good technique, good engine and good vision/awareness. What he is missing is the dynamic aspect that makes Stevie almost untouchable.

I don't think Lucas is any world beater and he's really only performed for a few games on the trot but I hope this is where he starts to apply his talent consistently rather than herald another false dawn.
 
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=28950.msg764625#msg764625 date=1230558945]
He had a good game yesterday, but one negative point that stood out with lucas yesterday was his lack of effort and drive in trying to immediately regain possession after losing it. He seems to give up once possession is lost and just amble back towards our end of the pitch whereas players such as gerard and mash would have been hurtling around the pitch chasing the ball. Whether its lazyness or a defeatist attitude is beside the point. It doesnt take a shed load of technical ability to work as hard as possible to get the ball back after you have lost it. He seemed fairly energetic most of the time, except when possession had been lost, where his energy seemed to turn to lethargy.
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That's way off mate. He works hard to get back - depending on his position.

One of the criticisms of Stevie has been that he doesn't look arsed at times to get back and chase - usually due to the position he's supposed to be taking up. Lucas works hard and chases harder when he's in CM or DM - not so hard when he was wide right or playing high up the pitch.

One aspect of his game that looks to have improved this season is his stamina; several times last season he looked absolutely wrecked by 75minutes whereas this season he's been chasing hard at 90.

He's got a hell of a lot of ground to make up but this was a good start.
 
[quote author=Anita link=topic=28950.msg765204#msg765204 date=1230596883]
Lucas has played well in the last few games, but why the hell is anyone comparing him to Gerrard?
[/quote]

Because of his style of play. Unlike Xabi and El Jefecito he has an attacking dimension to his game. No-one is implying that he is at Gerrards level.
 
I was slightly surprised and impressed by his performance in the Newcastle game.  However it's the first memorable game he's played in 18 months. 18 months! So lets not get carried away.

Why did he play so well?

- Well, there was firmly fixed triangle between Lucas, Masher and the constantly moving Gerrard, which allowed him to display his impressive short passing game, and frequently change the angle of attack. It must be noted though, that he'll very rarely be playing a team so disinterested as Newcastle were on Saturday.

- He worked very hard and closed down lots - his stamina has improved markedly.

- The embarrassing defence of set-plays, and generally, from Newcastle allowed him to win the ball in the box and look more threatening. Again, he won't get those chances very often.  

There are now more reasons to be positive about Lucas. That pass to Gerrard was simply sublime, as was the finish, and he generally looked a lot more positive and confident. There are still doubts though; it's no coincidence that his best performance came on a day where our whole team played remarkably well. Can you see Lucas grabbing a game by the scruff and forcing the issue? Right now that's a far off dream.

It's a start. A prolonged start. Let's hope he can kick on from here - but, as ever, there's still a huge amount to prove. And yes, that'll begin against Preston.
 
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hopefully he can do more of that
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=28950.msg765228#msg765228 date=1230598685]
I was slightly surprised and impressed by his performance in the Newcastle game.

However it's the first memorable game he's played in 18 months. 18 months!

Why did he play so well?

- Well, there was firmly fixed triangle between Lucas, Masher and the constantly moving Gerrard, which allowed him to display his impressive short passing game, and frequently change the angle of attack. It must be noted though, that he'll very rarely be playing a team so disinterested as Newcastle were on Saturday.

- He worked very hard and closed down lots - his stamina has improved markedly.

- The embarrassing defence of set-plays, and generally, from Newcastle allowed him to win the ball in the box and look more threatening. Again, he won't get those chances very often.

There are now more reasons to be positive about Lucas. That pass to Gerrard was simply sublime, as was the finish, and he generally looked a lot more positive and confident.

Let's hope he can kick on from here - but, as ever, there's still a huge amount to prove. And yes, that'll begin against Preston.

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He's actually been OK from set pieces for a while now. Scored from one in the CC if I remember rightly.

Tim Vickery, the South American pundit, used the word timid to describe him and I think that is his biggest failing so far. There's been a couple of times where I've thought, Lucas take a chance, demand the ball and go forward. If he can add that mind set, he will be dynamite.
 
Hmm, I dunno. Lucas is short and weak in equal measure so I can't see him developing that particular aspect of his game.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=28950.msg765248#msg765248 date=1230599646]
Hmm, I dunno. Lucas is short and weak in equal measure so I can't see him developing that particular aspect of his game.
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You don't need to be built like Drogba. Think of Cahill, Lucas' isn't much less and has some development to go yet. Just look at how Insua and El Zhar have bulked up these last 2 years.
 
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=28950.msg765253#msg765253 date=1230599795]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=28950.msg765248#msg765248 date=1230599646]
Hmm, I dunno. Lucas is short and weak in equal measure so I can't see him developing that particular aspect of his game.
[/quote]

You don't need to be built like Drogba. Think of Cahill, Lucas' isn't much less and has some development to go yet. Just look at how Insua and El Zhar have bulked up these last 2 years.
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he'd be like a muscly albert steptoe. yum-my.
 
Lucas had a few point blank chances against Newcastle and yet fail to score. Too timid?
 
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=28950.msg765219#msg765219 date=1230597822]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=28950.msg764625#msg764625 date=1230558945]
He had a good game yesterday, but one negative point that stood out with lucas yesterday was his lack of effort and drive in trying to immediately regain possession after losing it. He seems to give up once possession is lost and just amble back towards our end of the pitch whereas players such as gerard and mash would have been hurtling around the pitch chasing the ball. Whether its lazyness or a defeatist attitude is beside the point. It doesnt take a shed load of technical ability to work as hard as possible to get the ball back after you have lost it. He seemed fairly energetic most of the time, except when possession had been lost, where his energy seemed to turn to lethargy.
[/quote]

That's way off mate. He works hard to get back - depending on his position.

One of the criticisms of Stevie has been that he doesn't look arsed at times to get back and chase - usually due to the position he's supposed to be taking up. Lucas works hard and chases harder when he's in CM or DM - not so hard when he was wide right or playing high up the pitch.

One aspect of his game that looks to have improved this season is his stamina; several times last season he looked absolutely wrecked by 75minutes whereas this season he's been chasing hard at 90.

He's got a hell of a lot of ground to make up but this was a good start.
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i'm not saying that he doesnt work hard at all, wiz. He does. But i was screaming at the tv on several occasions during the last few games when possession had been lost and lucas was in an advanced position and wasnt exactly hurtling back to help the defence out. Its almost as though his head drops and he gets deflated.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764722#msg764722 date=1230564502]
Headwand, you're wrong about everything, always.

I merrily boot you all over the place and you skulk away until, like now, you can have a go back (albeit indirectly)

You're a spineless, laughable twat Headwand, and this isn't the only liverpool website where everyone on it thinks you're a fucking demented bellend
[/quote]
Jesus fucking Christ, how can you live with yourself Rebel?

Forumites HATE you!!!
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=28950.msg765248#msg765248 date=1230599646]
Hmm, I dunno. Lucas is short and weak in equal measure so I can't see him developing that particular aspect of his game.
[/quote]

So was Gerrard at that age, it wasn't until he was 22/23 that he bulked up a lot.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764635#msg764635 date=1230559466]
Khl, do what you do best; eulogise about any cunt who happens to be Danish[/quote]

Khl introduced this forum to Agger and Saric LONG before we signed both players. We were linked to that Zanka lad too, long after HE said he's a star of the future. Say what you want about his **shock** stronger knowledge of Danish players, the fact is our Scandanvian scouting system obviously agrees with him ...

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764653#msg764653 date=1230560591]
Gerrard can't play every game, but hoping that Lucas can be an adequate replacement is futile, given that he's miles slower, is a worse passer, can't tackle, doesn't score goals, and is physically unimposing

So what's the point?
[/quote]

Was he not ok against Newcastle? NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, thinks ANY PLAYER in football can replace Gerrard. He is one of the best in our club's history which means, it's highly doubtful we'll see a player of his calibre in the near future. But to demonize Lucas because some people called him the 'Brazilian Gerrard' or because he's not as good as Gerrard is pathetic - NO ONE is as good as Gerrard but if he can contribute like he did against Newcastle, with two well saved efforts and a brilliant assist, then no one should be complaining either.

You may just be wrong about this one - but funnily enough, I get the feeling you'd rather be proved right.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=28950.msg764451#msg764451 date=1230552198]
Hayden mullins is ten times better than lucas
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The last refuge of the desperate; Hayden Mullins. Found that "defensive midfielders" thing you kept banging on about yet? Exactly.

You've got fuck all and you know it.

About time you thought up a few new names Bren; "luke from Bedford"whilst obviously hilarious the 14th time seems a little hollow now. Maybe you could type "fat eyetie bastard"again, it like "Mullins/Slosemi/Clunez..." et al will deffo age well with time.

I bet you winced everytime you saw Lucas dance around the pitch the other day. He's a good player, and it must kill that only a few weeks ago you were repeatedly hoping for him to get injured. You clown.
 
Gerrards the best player in the league and NO he can never be replaced, dont get me wrong i think torres is unbelievable but he could never carry this club on his shoulders.

And as for some sprawn from a shanty town in brazil that happened to have an alright game against the geordies....who are so far north they shud be in the spl...well lets just see how he plays in a big BIG game....but i dont see him getting the chance to be honest!!
 
Lucas, despite having an average game, saved our skins yesterday with the sending off. I dont like that he tried to get Davies sent off, but if I have to choose between that and another loss I'll take the Machiavellian option thank you very much.
 
[quote author=Bob Loblaw link=topic=28950.msg730412#msg730412 date=1227369668]
Why do shite players never seem to get injured?
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Haha.
 
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