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rurikbird

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Since all the papers today are reporting that Loris Karius is our #1 GK target for the summer and is available for £8M release clause, I decided to do some research. It's difficult to form a solid opinion on a goalkeeper unless you see them week in and week out, but nevertheless I tried to get some idea of his playing style from stats and highlights. First, some background. He is 22 years old, 189cm height, originally from South of Germany (I think his first name is Italian, in Germany they would typically use Lars or Lorenz), but spent 2 years in England playing for Manchester City reserves. So far he has only 1 cap for Germany U21 national team, as he was behind in the pecking order to some of his slightly older colleagues: Ter Stegen, Leno and Timo Horn.

3 things are clear from the highlights. First, he has a solid command of the penalty area. I think one of Mignolet's biggest problems is the lack of explosive pace (which you don't normally think is such a big deal for a goalkeeper, but of course it is!), which is why he can't come out and claim the ball with the confidence and sharpness of someone like Neuer or Reina (fans tend to blame it on psychological traits like indecisiveness, whereas it's mostly just a question of physique). Well, in contrast Karius is noticeably quick off his line and seems to have a solid understanding of when to come out and how to position his body to maximize his chances of making a save. Stats bear this out – this season Mignolet has 74 successful claims to 9 unsuccessful (most in the EPL), whereas Karius has 81 successful claims to 1 failed one.

Second, handling is currently his biggest weakness. Even in the save compilations you can see he doesn't always claim the ball cleanly, a couple of times he even let it run through his legs only to catch it near the goal line and when the shot is directed towards his body he sometimes parries the ball right in front of him – whereas when stretching or jumping, the technique is perfect. I think this weakness is not a deal-breaker – handling is something that can generally be improved in time with coaching. And comparing his highlights from this season to the last, I think it has considerably improved already.

Third, Karius seems to be quite good at saving penalties. This season he is the only goalkeeper in the Bundesliga who has saved more than 1 penalty, and last year he was a joint leader in this category as well. His reflexes and technique for saving at point-blank range generally seem excellent.

Overall I would say he looks like a very talented and confident young goalkeeper who despite his young age already has over 90 starts in the first Bundesliga. Two formative years spent in England are probably a bonus, whereas his lack of Euro cup and national team experience is a temporary drawback. The German school of goalkeeping is rightly considered one of the best, if not the best, in Europe and simply because he's been educated in that way he is likely to perform better than a player of similar talent coming from someplace else. He is the youngest goalkeeper among the top 10 Bundesliga goalkeepers by stats (the only other one near his age is Timo Horn, with whom we've been linked as well), which means that if everything goes well, he will be near the top when he's in his prime. Buying a young and highly-rated player like Karius to compete with Mignolet (rather than an older player to replace him outright) would be consistent with Klopp's strategy of gradually increasing the quality and competition in the squad in all positions. I think this would be a good move, especially in the long run.

Interview with Karius in English:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/headlines/loris-karius-i-want-to-play-for-germany-kick-off/vi-BBs9hX2

Highlights from previous season (lots of dropped balls here):


This season (less dropped balls):
 
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I like that he's already been in England for two years so presumably his English is good. A goalkeeper needs communication.
 
How does he stack up against the Horn of Koln?

They're the same age aren't they?
 
How does he stack up against the Horn of Koln?

They're the same age aren't they?

Horn is 23. I didn't do my research on him, but somehow I instinctively dislike him for no reason at all. He seemed to be Klopp's first choice, but now papers report he abruptly switched to Karius, despite them both being available for roughly the same money...
 
Think Horn is only a month or so older. Also 6'4 whereas Karius is 6'2.

Stats wise they seem fairly on a level but Horn appears to be the more highly rated of he two judging solely from international appearances and fame.
 
Great post Rurik.

From what I've seen of Horn his distribution is a bit like Mignolet. Poor technique and and that "akward" looking strike of the ball.

Loris is much more confident in that area and much better at the sweeper role and distribution.

Even though Horn is a few cm's taller than Karius, his biggest weakness is that aerial ability in the penalty area.
Loris is 189.

From what I've seen Karius has the bigger potential and a better allround game.
Horn has made the most saves in the last two years in the Bundesliga and is clearly a good young GK.
But I do however think Karius is more suited to us.
As Rurik said the handling of the ball can surely be coached.

Klopp will hopefully bring in a new goalkeeping coach aswell.
 
I wouldnt expect our goalkeeping coaches to improve anyone, and therefore his inability to hold onto to the ball is major issue. I'd rather Mignolet was sold and we went after someone more accomplished without a glaring flaw.
 
As much as I'm keen to get rid of the Harold Lloyd between our sticks, does anyone else think that modern day keepers are all a bit flash and no harry? Some great stops but no consistency when it comes to the basics.
Are we going to end up with a succession of duffers?
 
Great post Rurik, I like the sound of this guy from the way you describe him. I'm a fan of the idea of buying clever, not buying obvious, so lets hope we get him, as I know nothing about him!
 
If we can get a keeper of the right standard for the peanuts sum of £8 mill, that could be worth an extra quality player in the summer. Me likey.
 
If we can get a keeper of the right standard for the peanuts sum of £8 mill, that could be worth an extra quality player in the summer. Me likey.

In contrast, shopping for 8 mill £ in the Premier league gets you James Chester 🙂
 
Spoke to my German mate today who is also a Liverpool fan.

Asked him if he had seen Karius play ...

He said he was a big fan of Karius and in his opinion if we do sign him, he won't be back up for Mignolet but he'll be starting XI
 
Spoke to my German mate today who is also a Liverpool fan.

Asked him if he had seen Karius play ...

He said he was a big fan of Karius and in his opinion if we do sign him, he won't be back up for Mignolet but he'll be starting XI
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As much as I'm keen to get rid of the Harold Lloyd between our sticks, does anyone else think that modern day keepers are all a bit flash and no harry? Some great stops but no consistency when it comes to the basics.
Are we going to end up with a succession of duffers?

Yeah, for a start 6 foot 2 is short for a Premiership goalkeeper. Secondly, if I was looking at a goalkeeper, and bearing in mind his primary function involves the use of his hands, then I'd be very alarmed if his most obvious flaw was "handling"
 
189 is more than enough to be a goalkeeper in the Premier league.
Lloris is the best example, who is 2 cm shorter.

Ming is 191 and he looks like he has the height of Tyrionn Lannister when he's out flapping about in his penalty area.
 
If indeed a deal has been agreed, I'd prefer news of it to wait until after the final to avoid any distraction within the squad at the moment.
 
Been reading up on Karius n Horn and seems impossible to tell who's better. They're pretty much neck to neck in every department.

Except the looks department, where Mr Karius seems to have an edge
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Horn, on the other hand, bears a striking resemblance to Mignolet...
 
I'm not too sure about short keepers either but 189 cm is a decent height for a keeper.
Pepe Reina is 188 cm tall.

189 cm in feet is 6ft 2in

Karius would be one of the shortest keepers in the premiership.
Only Schmeichel and Speroni are shorter.

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Rumours of Chelsea goalkeeping coach Christophe Lollichon joining Liverpool this summer.

This is very interesting if true.
Cech credits him for his development at Chelsea. Apperently he doesnt get along with Cortouis.
 
I'm not too sure about short keepers either but 189 cm is a decent height for a keeper.
Pepe Reina is 188 cm tall.

189 cm in feet is 6ft 2in

Karius would be one of the shortest keepers in the premiership.
Only Schmeichel and Speroni are shorter.

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I think anyone could karius better than ming, anyway.
 
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