LFC ... get ready to face the music......

[moron]

Just been listening to radio 5 live - it seems like there is no other news apart from us - a whole discussion on us tonight and racism. Luckily a few have called in to say its a media campaign orchestrated by Fergie to dictate another clubs player policy. Its really blowing out of proportion - a guy from South Africa was on the line (some media pundit) - and he is saying that its big news out there with all the racism issues being raised in English Football. Now this bloke is having a go at Kenny for not saying anything about it, and some people called in to say the handshake at the begining is a farce and should be removed. I did not realise this would be so big , now this guy is saying why we have only one black player in our team !!! What do we do now ?

 

[Y1]

Ignore them!

 

[moron]

They are dragging us down and its quite the day when Fergie finally decides he can actually dictate to us how to deal with our own players - its something special indeed.


Kenny is being f*cked from behind by Fergie, and the FA have f*cked him up from up front, and the reality of it is that we have one world class player in our team and we are left with nothing if he goes now. We are in a sh*tty state - some people say that Suarez did not keep his word with the manager to shake Evra's hand and apparently we were sending out statements to the media saying that Suarez will shake Evra's hand - so now they say Kenny has been let down, and they have reached the conclusion that Suarez will have to leave england.

 

[Y1]

Ignore them. We have to walk through the storm. Together.

Nobody will hound Suarez out, unless he decides enough is enough.

 

[doctor_mac]

Perhaps now is the time to say that Patrice Evra lied, and we challenge him to take us for libel.

 

[Mistadobalina]

[quote author=moron link=topic=48653.msg1481414#msg1481414 date=1329008884]
Just been listening to radio 5 live - it seems like there is no other news apart from us - a whole discussion on us tonight and racism. Luckily a few have called in to say its a media campaign orchestrated by Fergie to dictate another clubs player policy. Its really blowing out of proportion - a guy from South Africa was on the line (some media pundit) - and he is saying that its big news out there with all the racism issues being raised in English Football. Now this bloke is having a go at Kenny for not saying anything about it, and some people called in to say the handshake at the begining is a farce and should be removed. I did not realise this would be so big , now this guy is saying why we have only one black player in our team !!! What do we do now ?
[/quote]

Thick cunts ringing phone-ins?...Haha don't worry about it. Sensationalist bollocks is their bread and butter.

 

[Mistadobalina]

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=48653.msg1481425#msg1481425 date=1329011318]
Perhaps now is the time to say that Patrice Evra lied, and we challenge him to take us for libel.
[/quote]

Sue him for defamation of character? What a palava! Its enough to turn you racist, ain't it!


French cunt.

 

[kingjulian]

Fergusson saying who we should or should not have in our squad is the final straw for me.

But i don't give a shit what the media has to say or how it panders to Fergusson's whim. The British media is the pits...when it comes to sports coverage. They act as a major bunch of Gossip mongers, even the reputed ones.

 

[Farkmaster]

Yea, it's got to the point where all you can say is basically fuck off everyone else.


The thing is, there's a reason we've been brought to this adolescent position. Yea, sure, a large part of it is all kinds of hypocrisy and the giant and unproductive performance that is outing racism in the modern world.


The large part is that we handled it in the most rediculously shit way possible.

We mounted an aggressive defense without actually articulating it correctly, which made us look rather aggressive. We then naively let the FA do as they would with the trial, where we get railroaded. We then accept the decision in a bitter way, but decide not just to eat the shit we've been asked to eat. We accepted a decision we didn't agree with, (we didn't have much of a choice) and now we look like assholes because we won't go along with the performance.


So now we're fucked.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Someone for South Africa is complaining that we dont have enough black players?

If only Alanis knew the meaning of irony when she wrote that song...

 

[Farkmaster]

I don't know, we can't really make the argument we buy our players based on merit, on the evidence of it.

 

[are we back?]

Whitney's dead, bigger news.

 

[dmishra]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=48653.msg1481446#msg1481446 date=1329016752]
I don't know, we can't really make the argument we buy our players based on merit, on the evidence of it.
[/quote]

Ha!

 

[gkmacca]

It really is like a nightmare. Not one journalist is prepared even to acknowledge that Kenny is not condoning racism but questioning a supposedly 'legal' process. I don't give a damn if they want to defend an opposing opinion, but to refuse to acknowledge there's any ground at all to question a verdict is just insane. There have even been contrary arguments about the NOTW and phone hacking, but it appears to be against all reason to have a different view of the Suarez case. The obstinacy of Holt and Co is just madness. The club really has to make this clear - it really isn't that much of a puzzle.

 

[redblack7]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48653.msg1481535#msg1481535 date=1329043068]
It really is like a nightmare. Not one journalist is prepared even to acknowledge that Kenny is not condoning racism but questioning a supposedly 'legal' process. I don't give a damn if they want to defend an opposing opinion, but to refuse to acknowledge there's any ground at all to question a verdict is just insane. There have even been contrary arguments about the NOTW and phone hacking, but it appears to be against all reason to have a different view of the Suarez case. The obstinacy of Holt and Co is just madness. The club really has to make this clear - it really isn't that much of a puzzle.
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This is what is getting to me,that the whole media is taking one line,that not one journalist is prepared to see the other side of it.It's making me sick.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=redblack7 link=topic=48653.msg1481557#msg1481557 date=1329045449]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48653.msg1481535#msg1481535 date=1329043068]
It really is like a nightmare. Not one journalist is prepared even to acknowledge that Kenny is not condoning racism but questioning a supposedly 'legal' process. I don't give a damn if they want to defend an opposing opinion, but to refuse to acknowledge there's any ground at all to question a verdict is just insane. There have even been contrary arguments about the NOTW and phone hacking, but it appears to be against all reason to have a different view of the Suarez case. The obstinacy of Holt and Co is just madness. The club really has to make this clear - it really isn't that much of a puzzle.
[/quote]


This is what is getting to me,that the whole media is taking one line,that not one journalist is prepared to see the other side of it.It's making me sick.
[/quote]

They wouldn't have a story then, would they?

It makes me sick too, the press in this country are as culpable as anyone, they want the story and put their scathing one dimensional agendas in print, meanwhile the likes of Milly Dowler's parents face a lifetime wondering 'what if', on the back of what was ultimately a ploy to sell more print and make more money, the exact same reasoning behind half the opinionated, half-cocked bullshit that's getting written about Suarez.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48653.msg1481535#msg1481535 date=1329043068]
It really is like a nightmare. Not one journalist is prepared even to acknowledge that Kenny is not condoning racism but questioning a supposedly 'legal' process. I don't give a damn if they want to defend an opposing opinion, but to refuse to acknowledge there's any ground at all to question a verdict is just insane. There have even been contrary arguments about the NOTW and phone hacking, but it appears to be against all reason to have a different view of the Suarez case. The obstinacy of Holt and Co is just madness. The club really has to make this clear - it really isn't that much of a puzzle.
[/quote]

This is exactly why I wanted us to fight this all the way through the appeal process and into the courts afterwards. IMO the doc's suggestion above has definite merit. While we're on the subject, Suarez might want to consider suing Ginsoak for defamation.

 

[Portly]

I am constantly hearing journalists saying Suarez was "found guilty" but that just rankles with me. He hasn't been "found guilty" in the way Terry might be, but punished by the FA following an inquiry process that bore no resemblance to accepted judicial practices. The committee admitted that they were dealing with "probabilties" and that they trusted Evra as a witness but not Suarez, which is the basis of the 115-page report.

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48653.msg1481561#msg1481561 date=1329045860]
[quote author=redblack7 link=topic=48653.msg1481557#msg1481557 date=1329045449]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48653.msg1481535#msg1481535 date=1329043068]
It really is like a nightmare. Not one journalist is prepared even to acknowledge that Kenny is not condoning racism but questioning a supposedly 'legal' process. I don't give a damn if they want to defend an opposing opinion, but to refuse to acknowledge there's any ground at all to question a verdict is just insane. There have even been contrary arguments about the NOTW and phone hacking, but it appears to be against all reason to have a different view of the Suarez case. The obstinacy of Holt and Co is just madness. The club really has to make this clear - it really isn't that much of a puzzle.
[/quote]


This is what is getting to me,that the whole media is taking one line,that not one journalist is prepared to see the other side of it.It's making me sick.
[/quote]

They wouldn't have a story then, would they?

It makes me sick too, the press in this country are as culpable as anyone, they want the story and put their scathing one dimensional agendas in print, meanwhile the likes of Milly Dowler's parents face a lifetime wondering 'what if', on the back of what was ultimately a ploy to sell more print and make more money, the exact same reasoning behind half the opinionated, half-cocked bullshit that's getting written about Suarez.
[/quote]

Actually, mate, they WOULD have a story - they'd have two stories. Private Eye didn't dream up Glenda Slagg out of nowhere. Hacks are always looking to find the contrary view - it doubles the potential of a story to run and run, and makes the first 'contrary' hack stand out from the crowd. That's why it's so odd that not one hack - not even the most cynical - has taken that step.

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=48653.msg1481573#msg1481573 date=1329047071]
I am constantly hearing journalists saying Suarez was "found guilty" but that just rankles with me. He hasn't been "found guilty" in the way Terry might be, but punished by the FA following an inquiry process that bore no resemblance to accepted judicial practices. The committee admitted that they were dealing with "probabilties" and that they trusted Evra as a witness but not Suarez, which is the basis of the 115-page report.
[/quote]

Exactly. You wouldn't hear journalists squeaking that OJ Simpson had been 'found innocent' and therefore anyone who questions that verdict must be a racist with no respect for the law. I've never known such a mixture of arrogance and naivety used to enforce a dodgy verdict before. It's like Peter Cook's summing up of the Jeremy Thorpe case - except it's bloody real!

 

[FoxForceFive]

One man refused to shake anothers hand.

It's not a news story in the real world, just sky & some bollocks media agenda making shit out of nothing.

It'll blow over.

The media team at lfc want a kicking though, they should have briefed kenny about the handshake before the interview & had him feed a line about us supporting Suarez being innocent & perhaps questioning why the handshake was cancelled a few weeks ago but insisted upon now. His response was boss IMO, but only creates more media furore & should have been more savvy in hindsight.

 

[Wiberg]

Let's not forget that Suarez is semi black himself. I find all it hysterical.

 

[vantage]

init

 

[Sunny]

It was a fucking HANDSHAKE. Really, who gives a fuck ? People are buying right into the histrionics of Evra and Ferguson and thy must be laughing thir fucking arses off at it. Evra is a fucking liar. Ferguson hates this club and will use any edge he can to ugly it's name. The cheeky cunt, taking the fucking moral high ground with us when he's backed some completely odious cunts in his own club. Was it not Keane and Scholes who refused to shake Vieiras hand ? Was it not Cantona who physically attacked a fan? Keane who broke someones leg on purpose? Neville acting aggressively to Vieiras during a handshake the weedy little twat?

Yet people are swallowing up the shite served by a cunt who refused to speak to the BBC for years and walks out of press conferences when he doesn't get his way. Yet Dalglish is constantly criticised for his handling. Fuck off, what. Load hypocritical shite. I'll tell you what - we handled the Suarez affair terribly and the time but there was, and still is, a belief that Evra was lying and Ferguson jumped to take advantage of the situation and has caused a global level of shite because of it. Why the fuck people pay such credence in what people with the character of those tWo odious cunts say is beyond me. And fuck the media too - they're an absolute joke in this country. Journalism? You're having a laugh. More like unfounded tittle-tattle and brainless opinion specifically designed to stir up the equally fucking brainless cunts who buy into their manufactured and manipulated shite.

As for the handshake. I actually think Evra and Suarez were as bad as each other. Evra looked unsure as to whether to offer his hand, Suarez didn't give him time to make his mind up. The hypocrisy of Ferguson making out that Suarez "could have caused a riot" when it was HIS player who made the big fucking scene out of it is laughable. There was only one player on that pitch that made a big deal out of the whole situation. Patrice Evra. Before the game. At half time. After the game. It is all the fault of Suarez and Dalglish though. Fuck off.

Ferguson has no right to tell us, as a club, who is fit to play for us. Only we have that right and he should keep his whiskey addled nose out of it, the disrespectful cunt. The media can fuck off too. Those who cannot see the agendas on display are fooling themselves.

 

[737Max]

In the new forum can we have a like button?

Spot on Sunny, couldn't agree more.

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=737Max link=topic=48653.msg1481602#msg1481602 date=1329050605]
In the new forum can we have a like button?

Spot on Sunny, couldn't agree more.
[/quote]

New forum will be having like buttons and full social media integration mate. It's gonna be great

 

[the_khl]

Sunny, that's one of the best posts I've read on here for a while.

LIKES IT!

 

[737Max]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48653.msg1481606#msg1481606 date=1329050870]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48653.msg1481602#msg1481602 date=1329050605]
In the new forum can we have a like button?

Spot on Sunny, couldn't agree more.
[/quote]

New forum will be having like buttons and full social media integration mate. It's gonna be great
[/quote]

BIG LIKE!

 

[Avmenon]

...is right

 

[Richey]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48653.msg1481600#msg1481600 date=1329050287]

As for the handshake. I actually think Evra and Suarez were as bad as each other. Evra looked unsure as to whether to offer his hand, Suarez didn't give him time to make his mind up. The hypocrisy of Ferguson making out that Suarez "could have caused a riot" when it was HIS player who made the big fucking scene out of it is laughable. There was only one player on that pitch that made a big deal out of the whole situation. Patrice Evra. Before the game. At half time. After the game. It is all the fault of Suarez and Dalglish though. Fuck off.

Ferguson has no right to tell us, as a club, who is fit to play for us. Only we have that right and he should keep his whiskey addled nose out of it, the disrespectful cunt. The media can fuck off too. Those who cannot see the agendas on display are fooling themselves.
[/quote]

Agree with that mate.

It seemed there was no way that we and Suarez could have won in the eyes of the media yesterday.

The press love a villain, and Suarez fits the bill perfectly. So we have a quite absurd situation where the villain simply doesn't shake hands with someone (as well as 3 other players refusing to shake HIS hand - a point generally ignored) and then just gets on with the game, while the poor 'victim' starts making a big fuss before the game, during the game, at half time and then after the game. In Fergie world not shaking someone's fucking hand can provoke a riot (which it didn't), but seeking someone out at the end, celebrating in front of them and trying to get a reaction is apparently ok.

Having said that, if Suarez had shaken Evra's hand then it wouldn't have been so easy for the press and Ferguson (same thing) to attack him. He still would have been the villain, and Evra still the victim but this was an open goal. He could have been a lot smarter about it.