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El Nino

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FRANK LAMPARD is the Player of the Decade - according to official stats.
The Chelsea and England midfield star is the dominant figure in Premier League statistics over the past 10 years.

Facts and figures' wizards Opta have looked back at every Premier League game since January 1, 2000 and Lamps is the man who emerges with most honour.

The 31-year-old ace boasts:

Most games

Most wins

Second-most assists

Fourth-highest goals record

Lampard pips Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher by five games to most appearances with a total of 346 - 210 of which have been wins.

He comes second to Ryan Giggs with 76 assists and bagged 100 goals, finishing fourth behind top scorer Thierry Henry, who netted 169 times for Arsenal.

Signed from West Ham for £11million in June 2001 by Claudio Ranieri, he must go down as one of football's greatest-ever buys.

Ranieri told SunSport last night: "This news fills me with a great satisfaction and pride because Frank Lampard is totally unique.

"He is a complete player and so professional. It doesn't surprise me that he is the best statistically, ahead of other players you might consider to be even bigger stars.

"I'll tell you something. In my view Frank Lampard is a genuine 'Pallone d'oro' - which means he should be a European Footballer of the Year. He really is that good.

"He is up there with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in terms of quality - he is just a different type of player.

"He does difficult things but he makes them look simple and that is why some people think he is less spectacular.

"But I am glad the statistics have shown what a great player Lampard is. They show just how influential he is.

"Lampard has such a strong mentality and that probably shines through too. Only the other day he had to take a penalty three times but he still scored. That tells you how cool he is under pressure, how focused.

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"Frank makes a difference to any game he is in. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes it is less obvious. But he is so often the key to a victory.

"That's why I am really glad that he has been recognised in some way as the player of the decade in England."

Lampard's father, Frank Snr, was thrilled by his son's Player of the Decade accolade.

He said: "To do this over a decade is something special - he has done it by working very, very hard.

"I call him the Bobby Moore of the midfield. He does not try to do the impossible things that can look good on the eye if they come off.

"He's not crash, bang, wallop, either. Instead, he sticks to the things he knows can work and makes sure it's the team that he puts first.

"To score so many goals is a magnificent achievement for a midfielder. He plays in a team where everyone wants to score but he is the one who is consistently on the scoresheet."

Chelsea coach Ray Wilkins added: "Frank's contribution has been immense over the last decade, both for Chelsea and England.

"The consistency he has shown has been remarkable and he is still producing the same top-quality performances that he was a decade ago."

In contrast, the biggest loser of the decade was Hull's Kevin Kilbane, who lost 146 times.

Robbie Savage, now at Derby, was the naughty boy of the noughties finishing top of the bad boys league for most bookings and red cards - elbowing Kevin Davies of Bolton into second place.

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Despite the amazing statistics that Lamps has, I for one do not rate him that highly. He's a great player. But to me players like Gerrard and Scholes are a level above. I reckon Lampard being in a team like Liverpool will not do nearly as well as Gerrard has for us.

In my opinion, Lampard is slightly overrated. He should not start for England- not because he's not good enough, but because Gerrard is better and I don't think they work well together.
 
The link needs to be removed... but I can't argue, in terms of consistancy in the prem Lamps probably has been the best over the last ten years.
 
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=38150.msg1022106#msg1022106 date=1262008999]
WTF El Nino are you serious posting a link to a s*n story on a liverpool website.
[/quote] Thats what i thought..
 
There's a good chance El Nino is a young Red fan - or not from England, and doesn't get the 'implication' of the S*n. I'll raise my hand and say until I became a member of KopTalk, I had NO CLUE the issue with the newspaper. And I thought I was a 'good fan'. Give the guy a break when he makes an error. Explain the issue. Give the lad the benefit of the doubt ... Can't be that hard, right?
 
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There's a good chance El Nino is a young Red fan - or not from England, and doesn't get the 'implication' of the S*n. I'll raise my hand and say until I became a member of KopTalk, I had NO CLUE the issue with the newspaper. And I thought I was a 'good fan'. Give the guy a break when he makes an error. Explain the issue. Give the lad the benefit of the doubt ... Can't be that hard, right?
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Hey El Nino, i would suggest you take the time to read about the aftermath of the hillsborough disaster and inparticularly the reporting of it by The S*n Newspaper, which was found to be lies and they have still never apoligised to this day. Feelings towards this paper among local support is one of disgust and it is still a taboo even today to be seen reading The Lying Rag newspaper round the city and this includes everton fans to.

http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/history/media.shtm

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The Media Reaction
The Lying Rag headline

Media coverage of Hillsborough has had significant consequences on a number of levels. This section will argue how the media informed and potentially influenced the outcome of legal cases. It will also be argued that the consequences were far reaching by attacking, not only those involved in the Disaster but Liverpool in general, adding to the already negative reputation of its people.

The coverage of the Hillsborough Disaster brought a barrage of complaints to the door of the Press Council. However all this succeeded in doing was highlighting the inadequacy of the Press Council as a medium for dealing with complaints.

The Hillsborough Disaster occurred in an historical media framework that already labelled Liverpool as rebellious and anarchistic. The 1980's were the heady days of the Militant dominated council in the city. Not only the Thatcher government but also the Labour party under Neil Kinnock waged war on the leaders of the City Council (Derek Hatton and co). In reality they were waging war on the people of Liverpool - they became the real victims as they suffered the direct consequences of harsh measures imposed but also as they gained an undeserved negative reputation not only nationwide but internationally as well. It was this context which enabled the media to act so appallingly in relation to the Hillsborough Disaster.

The immediate reaction of the press following Hillsborough was to blame the fans. The proof is there for all to see and it extends way beyond The Lying Rag's headlines. However as that headline is the most shocking even to this day it is only right that we remind people what they said:

The Truth; some fans picked pockets of victims; some fans urinated on the brave cops; some fans beat up PC giving kiss of life.

This was the front page of The Lying Rag newspaper on the Wednesday following the Disaster. The question that has to be asked is where did the paper obtain its 'evidence' from - all routes lead back to South Yorkshire Police and the Lie Machine that was being put into operation.
Burning The Lying Rag in LIverpool

The response to this headline on Merseyside was one of outrage - thousand of copies were stolen and burnt and there followed a successful boycott campaign of the paper.

To the present day that paper is still hated in the city of Liverpool and beyond and there are still shopkeepers that refuse to sell.

Responsibility for peddling lies goes beyond The Lying Rag. By the time that article was published there had been four days of offence reporting, nearly all blaming the fans. As early as 3.40pm as the Disaster was unfolding, BBC radio Two reported:

Unconfirmed reports that a door was broken down at the end that was holding Liverpool supporters.

Graham Kelly, the Chief Executive of the Football Association, interviewed by Radio Two in answer to a question regarding the gates, inferred that the police had not ordered the gates to be opened. Later, the reporter stated that he had obtained information from Graham Mackrell, the secretary of Sheffield Wednesday FC who had spoken to "the police officer in charge" and the situation was:

...at ten to three there was a surge of fans at the Leppings lane end of the ground… the surge composed of about 500 Liverpool fans and the police say that a gate was forced and that led to a crush in the terracing area - well under capacity I'm told, there was still plenty of room inside that area… It is important to note " police say". Here you have a situation which has to be interpreted as the police deliberately lying as we know that the police ordered the gate to be opened.

By 6pm that evening Radio 4 stated: Many reports speak of people without tickets having pushed their way in. So the scene had been set and the conspiracy had begun - Liverpool fans, angry at having no tickets had forced their way into the ground with disastrous consequences:

It's clear that many hundreds of Liverpool fans travelled to Hillsborough even though they didn't have tickets for the game. Shortly before the match started it appears that these fans were able to get into the ground through a gate at the Leppings Lane end. One report says the gate was kicked down...

Daily Star

The main culprits in spreading these lies were David Duckenfield, Chief Superintendent in charge on the day (who later admitted that he lied), Graham Mackrell, Secretary Sheffield Wednesday and Graham Kelly of the F.A. By the evening of the Disaster, Peter Wright, Chief Constable of South Yorkshire, issued a statement which acknowledged that the gate had been opened on the instructions of the police. Little notice was taken of this however, and other comments by Wright stated that the crush had occurred outside the turnstiles: By the late arrival of large numbers of people. This showed that Wright was merely operating a more sophisticated and subtle method of blaming the fans.

Amongst the most vicious of reports of the Disaster was the Sheffield Star and the Yorkshire Post. It should be noted that these would be the two most widely read papers in the Sheffield area and therefore it would be hard to select a jury for the inquests that had not been influenced in some way by their version of the 'facts'. The Sheffield Star reported:

Many supporters were still propping up the bars at 2.30pm. They raced to the stadium arriving at the Leppings Lane end at the height of the crush. Some of them were the worse for drink, others without tickets were hoping to sneak in. Hubble bubble toil and trouble.. drunkenness and ticketlessness were now added to the equation. The Yorkshire Post continued the attack: Thousands of fans began the fatal charge… thousands of latecomers tried to force their way into the ground...

The military language was a popular theme throughout the reporting of the Hillsborough Disaster. The Manchester Evening News was typical: The Anfield Army charged on to the terrace behind the goal - many without tickets.

Whilst the content and quality of so much of the reporting is appalling, the Evening Standard is deserving of particular consideration for it perfectly highlights the stereotyping not just of football fans but Liverpool people generally:

How long will it take for it publicly to be acknowledged that fans themselves share the blame?… The catastrophe was caused first and foremost by violent enthusiasm for soccer, in this case the tribal passions of Liverpool supporters. They literally killed themselves and others to be at the game.

This view was echoed at an international level in the comments of Jacques Georges, President of UEFA. His view of Liverpool fans was damning:

One had the impression that they were beasts waiting to charge into the arena.

Surprisingly one of the most offensive reports came from much closer to home, the Liverpool Daily Post. An article written by John Williams and entitled: "I blame the yobs" warrants extensive quoting:

So it was at Hillsborough that the yobs made enough nuisance of themselves to convince the police that so-called gates of Hell were opened… the gatecrashers wreaked their fatal havoc. At best it was unfettered zeal. At worst it was uncontrolled fanaticism and mass hysteria which literally squeezed the life out of men, women and children. This was yobbism at its most base. People without tickets who had no right to be there were crushing to death their fellow Scousers. When it comes to apportioning blame, the accusatory finger can also be pointed at Liverpool. Scouse killed Scouse for no better reason than 22 men were kicking a ball.

Given that this journalist was working locally you might think that he would be more likely to have his finger on the pulse. Apparently not.

Neither was this some bizarre response to a disaster, written in a state of shock. In spite of a barrage of complaints the author stood "by every word with no apology". In fact he went on to write a second article reaffirming the contents of the first and also referring to "those who so thoughtlessly took lives away". This article by Williams was in stark contrast to one written in the same paper by Brian Reade only a day earlier and poignantly entitled:"DEAD BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T COUNT". Reade correctly challenged the dangers of stereotyping fans as yobs stating:

...society had been happy to live with the myth that every football fan is a potential criminal. Well, nearly 100 people have just paid the price for this woeful misconception.

The media was drip fed sound bites by the police. The Daily Mail reported Paul Middup, spokesperson for the Police Federation, as saying:

I am sick of hearing how good the crowd were...They were arriving tanked up on drink and the situation faced by the officers trying to control them was quite simply terrifying.

The Sheffield Star was at the forefront of publishing serious allegations from the police:

FANS IN DRUNKEN ATTACKS ON POLICE: Ticketless thugs staged crush to gain entry… attacked an ambulanceman, threatened firemen and punched and urinated on policemen as they gave the kiss of life to stricken victims.

Television news also made great play of comments made by the Police Federation:

Sheffield police officers claimed tonight that drunkenness amongst Liverpool fans was at least partly responsible for the disaster at Hillsborough…According to the Police Federation a large number of Liverpool fans arrived at the ground late after drinking heavily and police couldn't control them.

It seemed as if all South Yorkshire Police officers were giving interviews left, right and centre - all leading to the same kind of headline. The Times reported: Drunkenness and hooliganism were a major factor in the Hillsborough Disaster, police said yesterday.
 
Hey redshrek... do we have to do this everytime??

I think just telling him not to post a link to the website would be sufficient.
 
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=38150.msg1022213#msg1022213 date=1262019776]
Hey redshrek... do we have to do this everytime??

I think just telling him not to post a link to the website would be sufficient.
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I was only just giving him some info as LTW said he may not have know etc, just educating the lad thats all. If he doesn't know what he's doing is not right then he will continue to do it.
 
OP is a daft cunt, what with linking a story to the s*n and calling that fat rent boy cunt "Lamps"

Piss off.
 
[quote author=Yoshi_Benayoun link=topic=38150.msg1022238#msg1022238 date=1262024061]
OP is a daft cunt, what with linking a story to the s*n and calling that fat rent boy cunt "Lamps"

Piss off.
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too much attacking the poster, and like LTW said give him a break not everyone knows everything about Liverpool. If you do its your job to teach and grow the culture.
 
No wonder this forum is fuckin dying.

Why don't some of you cunts explain to El Nino the issue rather than gathering around him like a pack of hungry fucking wolves.
 
Yoshi you've well overstepped the mark there. Chill the fuck out, he might not know and thats fair enough. People up and down the country know we have an issue with The Lying Rag but not the reasoning behind it. I had to explain it to my girlfriend because all she knew was it was about hillsborough
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38150.msg1022345#msg1022345 date=1262036275]
No wonder this forum is fuckin dying.

Why don't some of you cunts explain to El Nino the issue rather than gathering around him like a pack of hungry fucking wolves.
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Erm 5 posts up..... and less of the cunt.
 
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