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The Greek (said in a very friendly tone) is turning into quite a shrewd signing after all isn't he?

If it wasn't for him I'm quite sure we would've lost against Wolves and probably against Stoke as well.

Extremely dominant in the air and not affraid of getting stuck in either. And whilst he is no Sami his positional sence is miles better than e.g. Skrtels and he has suddenly become a rather important figure in the back.

I'd be tempted to keep Carra out wide when Agger's coming back in and play him alongside Kyrgiakos in central. At least when playing away from home or against bulldogs like Stoke.

Personally I've lost faith in Skrtel to be honest. In one play he's looking very assured on the ball, making crucial interceptions even passing quite soundly and the next he seems all over the place like a mad womans piss (copyright Brendan). He's a good defender on his day but those days seems far between. (Alongside the rest of the team he played well against Spurs it has to be said).

I'd be tempted to cash in on him come Summer (we'd probably be able to recoup most of what we've paid especially if he plays a good WC) and then get in someone more like Sami (and Kyrgiakos even) in terms of main attributes. Heading, positioning and strength.
 
Its worrying when you are making Kyrgiakos out to be a good buy.

Carragher, Skrtel and your lovechild who can't stay fit have all been shite for the majority of this season as have the players in front of them.
 
Cant see it mate. Carra is winding down on the wrong side of 30, and The Greek is no spring chicken either. He is a decent temporary stop-gap (from his last few showings), no more no less.
If Skrtel does not cut the mustard, then we need to spend some money on a new CB. Oh........
 
I agree we need to bring in someone who is dominant in the air.

Skrtel's a good, young CB, but there's been next to no signs of improvement since he's been here. He still is prone to panicking with the ball, and he still gets lost without Carra's instruction.

Martin's on the expendable list.
 
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Its worrying when you are making Kyrgiakos out to be a good buy.

Carragher, Skrtel and your lovechild who can't stay fit have all been shite for the majority of this season as have the players in front of them.
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Well, he's 'only' 30-years-old after all which isn't to shabby for a CB and as we paid a mere sum of £2M for his services I can't see why it's worrying to call him a good buy as he's been our best defender in our last three games in my opinion.



PS You are aware that if Agger was indeed my 'lovechild' I've had to had sex (with ejaculation mind) at the tender age of 6. I didn't. I was playing with my cars, my LEGO and Playmobil (Pirateship edition).
 
Oh yeah, and Spartan's my new cult player.

He's been amongst our better performers recently.

Arou!
 
One of the most worrying things about the last year or s is how many of the younger players have stood still or regressed under Benitez's tutelage - Insua, Skrtel, Babel and Lucas have certainly gone backwards whilst injury has robbed Agger of some good development.
 
Not having a go, cos I quite like Darius Danesh at centre half, but if he plays at the Emirates in 2 wks time, we will get fucking murdered.

Mustard in the air against the big fellas, but cant same the same against small footballing type attackers.
 
I do think we need a cb.

In that Championship Manager style thread the other week - "you're the new manager..." - i think i put down Alex. Hes big, strong, quite experienced, throws his body in front of everything, can actually head a ball, has a hammer of a right foot and would be a good addition. Not that Chelsea would do business but hey ho.
 
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I'd be tempted to cash in on him come Summer (we'd probably be able to recoup most of what we've paid especially if he plays a good WC) and then get in someone more like Sami (and Kyrgiakos even) in terms of main attributes. Heading, positioning and strength.

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You're describing Kjaer of course (as if you didn't know).
 
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Not having a go, cos I quite like Darius Danesh at centre half, but if he plays at the Emirates in 2 wks time, we will get fucking murdered.

Mustard in the air against the big fellas, but cant same the same against small footballing type attackers.
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I think that's about right. Hopefully Arsenal'll play Bendtner at the time so he's beeing matched against someone big.

To sum it up; we need someone who's a bit more agile than Spartan as well as beeing as strong as him the?

Hmm... that narrows it down a bit.

Are there any realistic targets in the Prem who suits that role - beside Hangeland perhaps?

*Alex's a very decent shout don't know about his availability though.
 
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I'd be tempted to cash in on him come Summer (we'd probably be able to recoup most of what we've paid especially if he plays a good WC) and then get in someone more like Sami (and Kyrgiakos even) in terms of main attributes. Heading, positioning and strength.

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You're describing Kjaer of course (as if you didn't know).
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HA! Never......





*feels exposed*






ACTUALLY.... he was on my mind yeah... but there must be others outthere as well fitting the bill hence I didn't mention him.

(I didn't want to turn this thread into another debate about whether I like bacon or not either mind....).
 
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[quote author=the_khl link=topic=38669.msg1043920#msg1043920 date=1264591159]

I'd be tempted to cash in on him come Summer (we'd probably be able to recoup most of what we've paid especially if he plays a good WC) and then get in someone more like Sami (and Kyrgiakos even) in terms of main attributes. Heading, positioning and strength.

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You're describing Kjaer of course (as if you didn't know).
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HA! Never......





*feels exposed*






ACTUALLY.... he was on my mind yeah... but there must be others outthere as well fitting the bill hence I didn't mention him.

(I didn't want to turn this thread into another debate about whether I like bacon or not either mind....).
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Only teasing, but he would be the obvious choice...
 
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[quote author=the_khl link=topic=38669.msg1043920#msg1043920 date=1264591159]

I'd be tempted to cash in on him come Summer (we'd probably be able to recoup most of what we've paid especially if he plays a good WC) and then get in someone more like Sami (and Kyrgiakos even) in terms of main attributes. Heading, positioning and strength.

[/quote]

You're describing Kjaer of course (as if you didn't know).
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HA! Never......





*feels exposed*






ACTUALLY.... he was on my mind yeah... but there must be others outthere as well fitting the bill hence I didn't mention him.

(I didn't want to turn this thread into another debate about whether I like bacon or not either mind....).
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Only teasing, but he would be the obvious choice...
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Yes. And cheap-ish too.

Anyone else?
 
Kyrgiakos was not a shrewd signing, he was a desperate signing. We got him because he was all we could get at the time!

Yes he has done okay in a few games but we haven't actually won many of those games have we? Okay you could argue that it is his job to defend and I do agree with that but ultimately if we are putting in a big man at the back to combat against big centre forwards who play for shit teams we are just inviting them to play the game their way and we are the ones who are adapting.

Do United, Arsenal and Chelsea always change their team around to suit the opposition? They might do it sometimes but we seem to do it regularly and against teams that we should have a good enough first team to beat anyway
 
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Kyrgiakos was not a shrewd signing, he was a desperate signing. We got him because he was all we could get at the time!

Yes he has done okay in a few games but we haven't actually won many of those games have we? Okay you could argue that it is his job to defend and I do agree with that but ultimately if we are putting in a big man at the back to combat against big centre forwards who play for shit teams we are just inviting them to play the game their way and we are the ones who are adapting.

Do United, Arsenal and Chelsea always change their team around to suit the opposition? They might do it sometimes but we seem to do it regularly and against teams that we should have a good enough first team to beat anyway
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Whether you like it or not we've got to have someone strong and fierce in the air in defense when we're playing rugby-teams. Sami played against every team and he never buckled under the pressure of strong forwards. Kyrgiakos doesn't seem to do that either.

For whatever reason the Skrtel/Agger partnership when played hasn't exactly oozed confidence and I reckon this has much to do with their lack of strength in the air.

When every player is fit I'd prefer Carra and Agger for most games but wouldn't mind Kyrgikaos included at all when playing against some of the less mobile teams who's specialized in throw-ins towards nine giants.
 
I hope we don't sign another CB anytime soon.

We've spent time and money on our youth development set up and i'd like to see one of them given the chance.

With Carra and the Greek not getting any younger, hopefully one of Ayala or Kelly can step up.
 
I think with Skrtel, he's one of those who plays well when the team is.

You can't call upon him to rally the troops, and him like so many others have been the problem recently.
 
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Kyrgiakos was not a shrewd signing, he was a desperate signing. We got him because he was all we could get at the time!

Yes he has done okay in a few games but we haven't actually won many of those games have we? Okay you could argue that it is his job to defend and I do agree with that but ultimately if we are putting in a big man at the back to combat against big centre forwards who play for shit teams we are just inviting them to play the game their way and we are the ones who are adapting.

Do United, Arsenal and Chelsea always change their team around to suit the opposition? They might do it sometimes but we seem to do it regularly and against teams that we should have a good enough first team to beat anyway
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Whether you like it or not we've got to have someone strong and fierce in the air in defense when we're playing rugby-teams. Sami played against every team and he never buckled under the pressure of strong forwards. Kyrgiakos doesn't seem to do that either.

For whatever reason the Skrtel/Agger partnership when played hasn't exactly oozed confidence and I reckon this has much to do with their lack of strength in the air.

When every player is fit I'd prefer Carra and Agger for most games but wouldn't mind Kyrgikaos included at all when playing against some of the less mobile teams who's specialized in throw-ins towards nine giants.
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Skrtel and Agger have barely played together, so I don't see how you can make any sort of assessment, and regards the aerial issue, well none of Skrtel, Agger or Carragher are as dominant as Sami was or the Greek guy is.

Regards Kyrgikaos (sp?), I think it was Doc who said last week that he's got one fuck up in him per game. Despite him looking assured, being reliable in the air and a threat to the opposition, he DOES have a tendency of making one fairly big gaff per game, he did it again last night.

PS, why does this feel like yet another thinly veiled dig at Skrtel?
 
The Greek isn't better than Skrtel. When he's playing this well however and Skrtel is still going through this 'bad patch' of form, perhaps. But otherwise, no.
 
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Kyrgiakos was not a shrewd signing, he was a desperate signing. We got him because he was all we could get at the time!

Yes he has done okay in a few games but we haven't actually won many of those games have we? Okay you could argue that it is his job to defend and I do agree with that but ultimately if we are putting in a big man at the back to combat against big centre forwards who play for shit teams we are just inviting them to play the game their way and we are the ones who are adapting.

Do United, Arsenal and Chelsea always change their team around to suit the opposition? They might do it sometimes but we seem to do it regularly and against teams that we should have a good enough first team to beat anyway
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Whether you like it or not we've got to have someone strong and fierce in the air in defense when we're playing rugby-teams. Sami played against every team and he never buckled under the pressure of strong forwards. Kyrgiakos doesn't seem to do that either.

For whatever reason the Skrtel/Agger partnership when played hasn't exactly oozed confidence and I reckon this has much to do with their lack of strength in the air.

When every player is fit I'd prefer Carra and Agger for most games but wouldn't mind Kyrgikaos included at all when playing against some of the less mobile teams who's specialized in throw-ins towards nine giants.
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Skrtel and Agger have barely played together, so I don't see how you can make any sort of assessment, and regards the aerial issue, well none of Skrtel, Agger or Carragher are as dominant as Sami was or the Greek guy is.

Regards Kyrgikaos (sp?), I think it was Doc who said last week that he's got one fuck up in him per game. Despite him looking assured, being reliable in the air and a threat to the opposition, he DOES have a tendency of making one fairly big gaff per game, he did it again last night.

PS, why does this feel like yet another thinly veiled dig at Skrtel?
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notsothin
 
It's a dig alright.

Not supposed to be veiled.

I do not think Skrtel has got what it takes to be a top, top defender hence I'd prefer if we cashed in and spent the money on someone who is or at least is going to be.

Mark, fair enough you rate him a lot. I simply don't and I prefer Kyrgiakos to him at this stage.
 
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=38669.msg1043936#msg1043936 date=1264593023]
Not having a go, cos I quite like Darius Danesh at centre half, but if he plays at the Emirates in 2 wks time, we will get fucking murdered.

Mustard in the air against the big fellas, but cant same the same against small footballing type attackers.
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Exactly what I said last week.

Any reason why he's been good of late? Because we've played Stoke, Wolves, and Spurs whose primary tactic is to lump the cunt out of it to a big man. Playing straight into The Greek's favoured style of defending.

Against an Arshavin, a Rooney, RVP, etc etc - He'd get oiled up and bumraped. Then you'll all be "Another shit Rafa signing" as opposed to this weeks "shrewd business" chat.
 
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[quote author=Piedro link=topic=38669.msg1043936#msg1043936 date=1264593023]
Not having a go, cos I quite like Darius Danesh at centre half, but if he plays at the Emirates in 2 wks time, we will get fucking murdered.

Mustard in the air against the big fellas, but cant same the same against small footballing type attackers.
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Exactly what I said last week.

Any reason why he's been good of late? Because we've played Stoke, Wolves, and Spurs whose primary tactic is to lump the cunt out of it to a big man. Playing straight into The Greek's favoured style of defending.

Against an Arshavin, a Rooney, RVP, etc etc - He'd get oiled up and bumraped. Then you'll all be "Another shit Rafa signing" as opposed to this weeks "shrewd business" chat.
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Hardly. He was cheap and a good option for said games.

Now breaking our transfer record for Dossena who was shit against everyone, now thats a shit Rafa signing right there and not acceptable.
 
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[quote author=Piedro link=topic=38669.msg1043936#msg1043936 date=1264593023]
Not having a go, cos I quite like Darius Danesh at centre half, but if he plays at the Emirates in 2 wks time, we will get fucking murdered.

Mustard in the air against the big fellas, but cant same the same against small footballing type attackers.
[/quote]

Exactly what I said last week.

Any reason why he's been good of late? Because we've played Stoke, Wolves, and Spurs whose primary tactic is to lump the cunt out of it to a big man. Playing straight into The Greek's favoured style of defending.

Against an Arshavin, a Rooney, RVP, etc etc - He'd get oiled up and bumraped. Then you'll all be "Another shit Rafa signing" as opposed to this weeks "shrewd business" chat.
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Hardly. He was cheap and a good option for said games.

Now breaking our transfer record for Dossena who was shit against everyone, now thats a shit Rafa signing right there and not acceptable.
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Thankfully we've got you here to remind us. All managers make mistakes in the transfer market. Deal with it.
 
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Not having a go, cos I quite like Darius Danesh at centre half, but if he plays at the Emirates in 2 wks time, we will get fucking murdered.

Mustard in the air against the big fellas, but cant same the same against small footballing type attackers.
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Exactly what I said last week.

Any reason why he's been good of late? Because we've played Stoke, Wolves, and Spurs whose primary tactic is to lump the cunt out of it to a big man. Playing straight into The Greek's favoured style of defending.

Against an Arshavin, a Rooney, RVP, etc etc - He'd get oiled up and bumraped. Then you'll all be "Another shit Rafa signing" as opposed to this weeks "shrewd business" chat.
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Hardly. He was cheap and a good option for said games.

Now breaking our transfer record for Dossena who was shit against everyone, now thats a shit Rafa signing right there and not acceptable.
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Thankfully we've got you here to remind us. All managers make mistakes in the transfer market. Deal with it.
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They do. But ususally not on the monumental and continually level Rafa does.

For a manager who checks every detail its incredible he has such blind stops when it comes to certain signings or background checks.

Anyway back to the Greek for what we paid, and the number of games he's had he's been a great signing and I would say will end a better purchase than Maxi will turn out to be.

For all his obvious ability he was exactly what we didn't need. Another slow laboured half fit past his best wide player that can't beat a man and is lacking in match practice and confidence.
 
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Not having a go, cos I quite like Darius Danesh at centre half, but if he plays at the Emirates in 2 wks time, we will get fucking murdered.

Mustard in the air against the big fellas, but cant same the same against small footballing type attackers.
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Exactly what I said last week.

Any reason why he's been good of late? Because we've played Stoke, Wolves, and Spurs whose primary tactic is to lump the cunt out of it to a big man. Playing straight into The Greek's favoured style of defending.

Against an Arshavin, a Rooney, RVP, etc etc - He'd get oiled up and bumraped. Then you'll all be "Another shit Rafa signing" as opposed to this weeks "shrewd business" chat.
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Hardly. He was cheap and a good option for said games.

Now breaking our transfer record for Dossena who was shit against everyone, now thats a shit Rafa signing right there and not acceptable.
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Thankfully we've got you here to remind us. All managers make mistakes in the transfer market. Deal with it.
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They do. But ususally not on the monumental and continually level Rafa does.

- What?

For all his obvious ability he was exactly what we didn't need. Another slow laboured half fit past his best wide player that can't beat a man and is lacking in match practice and confidence.

- I know, we should have spent 30M on a quality wide player.

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They do. But ususally not on the monumental and continually level Rafa does.

- What?

For all his obvious ability he was exactly what we didn't need. Another slow laboured half fit past his best wide player that can't beat a man and is lacking in match practice and confidence.

- I know, we should have spent 30M on a quality wide player.

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Rafa makes bigger and more obvious blunders in the transfer market than another manager relative to the budget of the club.

He also does it season in season out.

Aquaman, Keane, Dossena to name 3 in over a year, which equal or 2nd and 3rd biggest signings ever and our most expensive defender ever.

All failures and largely because didn't know what he was getting or how to use it.
 
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They do. But ususally not on the monumental and continually level Rafa does.

- What?

For all his obvious ability he was exactly what we didn't need. Another slow laboured half fit past his best wide player that can't beat a man and is lacking in match practice and confidence.

- I know, we should have spent 30M on a quality wide player.

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Rafa makes bigger and more obvious blunders in the transfer market than another manager relative to the budget of the club.

He also does it season in season out.

Aquaman, Keane, Dossena to name 3 in over a year, which equal or 2nd and 3rd biggest signings ever and our most expensive defender ever.

All failures and largely because didn't know what he was getting or how to use it.


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Aquilani's a failure after 12 appearances is he?

Keane & Dossena we lost money on. Would you like me to start listing some players that other Managers (including your pet fave Mourinho) have lost money on?

Or why don't you focus on the value of some of our players (Reina, Mascherano, Torres, etc etc) in relation to what they cost us to balance this all out given you're the "realist" you claim to be
 
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