Jose Enrique
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My point is that people are forgetting what a liability Riise was. He was never a good defender.
It bothers me that people try to prove his so called "greatness" by saying that he won trophies.
This was Enrique's 2nd season give him some time.
International caps don't prove anything unless they're playing for the same country.
If Riise was more like Finnan or Babbel, I wouldn't have bad word to say about him.
Despite Riise being liability - we conceded more goals in the League this season than at any time will zriisecwas at the club.
In fact, last season we conceded one goal less that the most goals we conceded while Riise was here.
It might also interest you that Riise scored, during his time at Liverpool, roughly twice as many goals as Alberto Aquilani has in his entire career.
He had his failings, bit in think you're judging him a little disingenuously and referencing the latter stages if his time at Anfield, when he began to diminish.
That's the thing Modo - and you do this all the time and its what get your opinions shot down so much.
He held down a position in a team for 8 seasons, which where, while not being the 70's or 80's, was a successful team that won significant trophies & regularly finished in the top 4.
This was all achieved with him in the team playing a very active role - not despite him being in the team. He wasn't carried.
His biggest problems weren't to do with defence - he was more competent than you give credit here - his problems where that he was very one footed & had a tendency to hit it long.
Overall he contributed much more than "that" goal against Utd.
He held down a position in a team for 8 seasons, which where, while not being the 70's or 80's, was a successful team that won significant trophies & regularly finished in the top 4.
This was all achieved with him in the team playing a very active role - not despite him being in the team. He wasn't carried.
His biggest problems weren't to do with defence - he was more competent than you give credit here - his problems where that he was very one footed & had a tendency to hit it long.
Overall he contributed much more than "that" goal against Utd.
LOL
So you admit you're wrong then
When Oncy couldn't be arsed debating with you, you said you "won"
Now Leo and StevieM have won. And they supported Oncy... So... You double lost and claimed a false victory
Poor form (like Enrique)
Nope I never give up. Want me to continue, I'd be more than happy to.
Yeah but you hate Riise because he's Norwegian, so we all know the agenda and why it's pointless listening to you on the subject. We had a consistently great defense with him in it, certainly far better than we've had with the players since (many of whom you cream over), so it's a bit hard to see how other players managed to consistently paper over the cracks of such a shit player for such a lengthy period of time. So ergo, you're talking Scando rivalry bollocks. And Leo's point about Rafa was obvious, you dress him up at every opportunity and are selective as can be about him winning stuff (I'm sure you were one of the posters probably mouthing off on here during Super Cup wins), so you know, when you see fit.
I think Enrique is a better player than Riise was. This is not because I liked Rafa.
I also liked Riise very very much until he had such a massive dip in form that he lost his bottle totally and cost us against Chelsea. I wanted better for him than to basically end his Liverpool career for us like that.
I also liked Riise very very much until he had such a massive dip in form that he lost his bottle totally and cost us against Chelsea. I wanted better for him than to basically end his Liverpool career for us like that.
You can't say Aurelio was the best left back we had for the simple reason that he never played. Surely that is all you can judge how good a player is - his performances.
For me, its been Riise. He was a bit of a cult player, but did add several dimensions to our play.
I'm not sure there have been many great left backs in world football in the past 15 years, so if you can get a 7/10 player for that position, you've not done too badly.
For me, its been Riise. He was a bit of a cult player, but did add several dimensions to our play.
I'm not sure there have been many great left backs in world football in the past 15 years, so if you can get a 7/10 player for that position, you've not done too badly.
Aurelio was technically excellent and I don't remember too much going past him, Vlad used to say regularly that he was quite suspect defensively, I never saw him get stuck in much but he gave the team balance and attacked well, he probably could have been the Brazilian left back but for injury.
I think on the balance of play though, Riise has been the best left back we've had for in the last 20 years. Rob Jones might have given it a decent crack had he not succumbed to injury, but Riise gave us goals, won a few trophies and was part of one of the best backlines we've ever had, he was also reliable in terms of injury and stamina and would run through brickwalls for the club.
Riise everyday, sorry Fab's I loved Aurelio too, but anyway.
I think on the balance of play though, Riise has been the best left back we've had for in the last 20 years. Rob Jones might have given it a decent crack had he not succumbed to injury, but Riise gave us goals, won a few trophies and was part of one of the best backlines we've ever had, he was also reliable in terms of injury and stamina and would run through brickwalls for the club.
Riise everyday, sorry Fab's I loved Aurelio too, but anyway.
So.... After the first 15 mins when Aurelio's leg fell off.... Which of the other too would you prefer.
Riise
The only really good full back we've had in the past 10 years is Steve Finnan. All the rest have been inconsistent, injured most of the time, or mostly shit.
Arbeloa was really good.
Knew I'd forget one, yeah, he was decent, and probably the next best.
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Don't quite understand the Aurelio shouts. He was a decent footballer. Nothing more. Could've perhaps been good, but never really got the chance due to injuries. Personally thought it was extremely frustrating to see him shoot freekick after freekick into the wall, over the goal or straight at the goalie too. Decent, but mostly frustrating for one reason or another.
Riise was a far more industrious character and player, despite ending on a low, however, for me Enrique is the better player of the two. Better technically and almost impossible to go around. I believe, when on form, Enrique is the best LB we've had for ages.
Riise was a far more industrious character and player, despite ending on a low, however, for me Enrique is the better player of the two. Better technically and almost impossible to go around. I believe, when on form, Enrique is the best LB we've had for ages.
Glen Johnson is a better left back than all of those mentioned.
In fact he's better than the Glen Johnson right back.
It's annoying - play the fucker at left back. He's boss there.
In fact he's better than the Glen Johnson right back.
It's annoying - play the fucker at left back. He's boss there.
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