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Joe Cole is a BIG IMPROVEMENT on yossi and will fit in with our squad well. If someone was to sign him he would cost ATLEAST 15mil and then wages ontop of that..

This is a good deal, and i really hope it happens.

Getting rid of shit, and replacing them with good players 🙂
 
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=40868.msg1138039#msg1138039 date=1279517418]
Joe Cole is a BIG IMPROVEMENT on yossi and will fit in with our squad well. If someone was to sign him he would cost ATLEAST 15mil and then wages ontop of that..

This is a good deal, and i really hope it happens.

Getting rid of shit, and replacing them with good players 🙂
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Could you explain, using facts, why he's better than Yossi by some large margin?
 
The 6 mill £ sign on fee is a rumour, I don't think it's that much, but I wouldn't be surprised at us giving him somewhere between 2-3 mill £.
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40868.msg1137998#msg1137998 date=1279495431]
Rumour on Twitter that Spurs baulked at a £6m signing on fee, but we coughed up

regards
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If that's the case it's a massive mistake. He'd end up costing significantly more than Yossi, he's no better, and he's an injury nightmare.

I can't imagine what Cole has done in his career to deserve 6 million to go anywhere. Jesus. Where markets are concerned, there's no free lunch.
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Cole has averaged nearly 30 (league) games a season in his time at Chelsea. Hardly an injury nightmare. He's just been unfortunate that his two major (and entirely unrelated) injuries have come in fairly close succession. And he's significantly better than Yossi.

If he does come here, I think you might find yourself retracting a lot of this next season.
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As someone said on here a while back, the idea of Joe Cole is better than the reality.
I think if we do sign him people are going to be disappointed next season.

If we've Dirk or Maxi on the right, I want someone with pace on the left and that is not Cole.
And if we're going to be playing him centrally behind Torres with Gerrard moved back, I don't see what makes him worth almost double what Yossi is?
 
We won't be disapointed if Joe Cole comes here. He's quality, an excellent player that is going to give us another dimension attacking wise.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40868.msg1138013#msg1138013 date=1279498285]
Again, it's like we are talking about different players, because I just don't see it. Joe Cole a flagship signing? What on earth has he done to deserve that billing, or this amount of financial reward, you know, other than be an Englishman who does stepovers? If this were true, he'd be less productive than Benayoun, but we'd be paying more for him.
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I've often found myself having to defend Yossi on here, particularly when the Casper phase was in full flow, and in general I don't think he was valued in-line with his contributions here.

I never wanted him to sign for us originally though and it's largely because players like him who aren't particularly fast, don't have a history of scoring a lot of goals and generally aren't hugely exciting seem a bit meh when you do need more pace, dynamism and top tier talent in the side.

In a way, it's perhaps a similar situation with Joe Cole. The main difference is that he's played in an excellent Chelsea side over the last few years (and that coupled with the fact that he's English maybe as well) leads to more hype because he's well known.

He may not be quite as good as advertised but we'd have to strike gold to get a top tier talent right now, so in our current situation it's about as good as it can get without forking over a 10M+ transfer fee (and more than likely a signing on fee and wages that won't be worlds apart).
 
Joe Cole is a great player and I'd like to have him at Anfield. He gives us creativity and we need that.

I'm tired of the dour football we've played over the past 5 seasons. The free scoring Liverpool that finished runners up is what I want. If we score goals, we will win games.
 
We have been crying out for creative players ... most classify Yossi as that but usually without an end product or he runs into a dead end .... and Joe Cole is certainly that. He could probably have had far more games for Chelsea too but he isn't an out and out winger in the mode of Malouda or Kalou so, add that to his injury hit season, and you can see how he dropped down the pecking order.

Nevertheless he is a player that most commentators were crying out to be played more in the World Cup and if he's good enough for England then he's certainly good enough for our LM / AM slot. People seem to be happy to accept paying 10M for Remy as backup to Torres, or would have accepted 15M for Silva et al but a free Joe Cole (wages would be similar so not an issue) with a signing on fee probably far less than the rumoured 6M and he's not worth it ? Ha ! We need more quality players and Joe Cole is certainly that even if not top tier.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=40868.msg1138054#msg1138054 date=1279522074]
We have been crying out for creative players ... most classify Yossi as that but usually without an end product or he runs into a dead end .... and Joe Cole is certainly that. He could probably have had far more games for Chelsea too but he isn't an out and out winger in the mode of Malouda or Kalou so, add that to his injury hit season, and you can see how he dropped down the pecking order.

Nevertheless he is a player that most commentators were crying out to be played more in the World Cup and if he's good enough for England then he's certainly good enough for our LM / AM slot. People seem to be happy to accept paying 10M for Remy as backup to Torres, or would have accepted 15M for Silva et al but a free Joe Cole (wages would be similar so not an issue) with a signing on fee probably far less than the rumoured 6M and he's not worth it ? Ha ! We need more quality players and Joe Cole is certainly that even if not top tier.
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This is the last I'll say on it for now, because I'm getting to be like one of *those* posters.

Joe Cole IS an English analog of Yossi, and as you say, often hasn't much of an end product, and runs into dead ends.

The difference being, statistically, that Yossi has more of an end product.

Anyway, I'm not arsed, neither is fantastic. I'd have rather kept what we had, if we could have, and bought a more natural wide player. Hopefully we'll keep Riera, if the alternative is us ending up doing similar with him.

The key to the whole summer is how we replace Mascherano.
 
"if he's good enough for England"

Heh, he's not started for England of late, has he?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40868.msg1138066#msg1138066 date=1279522870]
"if he's good enough for England"

Heh, he's not started for England of late, has he?
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Only because of injury though (yeah I know).

He looked woefully short of fitness in the brief appearance he made.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40868.msg1138013#msg1138013 date=1279498285]
Why did everyone question the purchase of Aquilani again?
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Yes but I think that was more to do with the fact we were buying a player who was injured when we were signing him.
 
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40868.msg1138013#msg1138013 date=1279498285]
Why did everyone question the purchase of Aquilani again?
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Yes but I think that was more to do with the fact we were buying a player who was injured when we were signing him.
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And he cost £20m...
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40868.msg1138060#msg1138060 date=1279522509]

Joe Cole IS an English analog of Yossi, and as you say, often hasn't much of an end product, and runs into dead ends.
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Sorry, to clarify, I shouldn't have used '.......' and should instead have inserted parentheses. I meant Yossi runs into dead ends, not Joe Cole. Though for players that can dribble a certain amount of lost possession is a natural and acceptable result. How much is 'acceptable' is the question.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40868.msg1138066#msg1138066 date=1279522870]
"if he's good enough for England"

Heh, he's not started for England of late, has he?
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Is that relevant ? He was coming back from injury so you wouldn't expect him to start.
 
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40868.msg1138060#msg1138060 date=1279522509]

Joe Cole IS an English analog of Yossi, and as you say, often hasn't much of an end product, and runs into dead ends.
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Sorry, to clarify, I shouldn't have used '.......' and should instead have inserted parentheses. I meant Yossi runs into dead ends, not Joe Cole. Though for players that can dribble a certain amount of lost possession is a natural and acceptable result. How much is 'acceptable' is the question.
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Cole doesn't run into dead ends? I can't wait for this new Joe Cole.

Anyway, I'm done, if he ends up ours, and as long as he stays injury free, we're basically where we're started.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40868.msg1138090#msg1138090 date=1279525130]

Cole doesn't run into dead ends? I can't wait for this new Joe Cole.

Anyway, I'm done, if he ends up ours, and as long as he stays injury free, we're basically where we're started.
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Exactly, just for double Yossi's wages.
 
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40868.msg1138090#msg1138090 date=1279525130]

Cole doesn't run into dead ends? I can't wait for this new Joe Cole.

Anyway, I'm done, if he ends up ours, and as long as he stays injury free, we're basically where we're started.
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Exactly, just for double Yossi's wages.
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How much do you think he was on here?

I can't find much else than this from the time, but I bet he was on a site more than £40k

"Although there may be speculation over the futures of Liverpool midfielders Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano, any doubts over Yossi Benayoun have been dispelled with the Israeli international set to agree a contract extension with the Merseyside giants.

Reports in Israel claim Benayoun will earn between 75,000 and 80,000 pounds a week on his new deal, which doubles his previous wage which was 40,000 pounds a week.

Benayoun, whose current contract runs out at the end of the 2010/2011 season will sign on for two further campaigns, up until the end of 2012/2013.

The Liverpool number 15 expressed his delight at the new deal: "I am happy to be a part of Liverpool for the next few years, that has been my wish since I arrived here."

Ronen Katzav, Benayoun’s agent, added: "There were a lot of clubs interested in Yossi this summer, but in the end he decided to sign a new contract with Liverpool because there he will receive the most exciting challenge. It is great to see how much Yossi is appreciated at Liverpool which is reflected in his new contract."
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I think Yossi was on 70k. This 40k thing is total news to me. Cole will be on 90k, I doubt it'll be double the wages.
 
Ah, must've missed that. Thought he was still on around 40k.

Still though, I don't really think Cole is all that and don't see the benefit in swopping him for Yossi, other than it helps with our home grown quota.
 
As I said , I was a Yossi fan from the day he arrived as our Yiddish community will confirm (or some of them at least) when he was getting a bit of a panning, but I have to say that there is little to chose between them is pushing boundaries a little

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40868.msg1138117#msg1138117 date=1279528201]
As I said , I was a Yossi fan from the day he arrived as our Yiddish community will confirm (or some of them at least) when he was getting a bit of a panning, but I have to say that there is little to chose between them is pushing boundaries a little

regards
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Unlike some, I'll be happy to be way off on this one.
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40868.msg1138117#msg1138117 date=1279528201]
As I said , I was a Yossi fan from the day he arrived as our Yiddish community will confirm (or some of them at least) when he was getting a bit of a panning, but I have to say that there is little to chose between them is pushing boundaries a little

regards
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Unlike some, I'll be happy to be way off on this one.
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Good man A, can't say fairer than that

regards
 
It's also probably worth bearing in mind that Yossi had made his mind up about leaving and wanted to go. It's not really a case of doing a swap but trying to replace him well.
 
Fair enough and I suppose we could do (and have done) a lot worse for the amounts being mentioned.

It's just I'm hoping we sign someone with a bit of pace this summer.
 
Isn't Remy supposed to have seering pace?

Joe Cole is the longest running transfer saga since Beckham to Real?
 
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