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Anyone who thinks we are in a 'stronger position' *in any way* than this time last year, when we had just finished second, is, frankly, a fucking mentalist
Sport.co.uk understands that Joe Cole will make a decision on his future when he returns from holiday this week with Liverpool, Arsenal, and North London rivals Tottenham Hotspur the confirmed interested parties.
A representative close to the deal confirmed that Cole would make a decision on his future when he returns from holiday this week with the former Hammer and Chelsea midfielder weighing up offers from Arsene Wenger, Harry Redknap, and Roy Hodgson according to our sources.
Cole is not keen on a move abroad with the 28-year-old England international set to choose between two North London rivals Spurs and Arsenal, or a move to Liverpool to play under new manager Roy Hodgson. However, it is thought each manager is eager to meet with Cole when the winger returns from holiday in an attempt to persuade Cole to join.
Cole has stated that the best years of his career were still ahead of him, and that he wanted to play for a new manager who “loves†him. It is further understood that the player is keen to start a more central role in the midfield of his new club and that failure to get such a guarantee from potential suitors could push him elsewhere
A representative close to the deal confirmed that Cole would make a decision on his future when he returns from holiday this week with the former Hammer and Chelsea midfielder weighing up offers from Arsene Wenger, Harry Redknap, and Roy Hodgson according to our sources.
Cole is not keen on a move abroad with the 28-year-old England international set to choose between two North London rivals Spurs and Arsenal, or a move to Liverpool to play under new manager Roy Hodgson. However, it is thought each manager is eager to meet with Cole when the winger returns from holiday in an attempt to persuade Cole to join.
Cole has stated that the best years of his career were still ahead of him, and that he wanted to play for a new manager who “loves†him. It is further understood that the player is keen to start a more central role in the midfield of his new club and that failure to get such a guarantee from potential suitors could push him elsewhere
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40868.msg1134810#msg1134810 date=1278953728]
Anyone who thinks we are in a 'stronger position' *in any way* than this time last year, when we had just finished second, is, frankly, a fucking mentalist
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I presume that was aimed at me Bren.
No one has said that at this current moment in time we are.
Mentalist might be a little harsh, stupidly optimistic maybe.
However I don't see from a team squad / perspective it is mental to say that if we do retain Torres and Gerrard, get Cole on a free, have brought in a support striker that is apparently better than our current options, move on some players that you in particular have problems with, and now have Rodriques in the squad, and Aqualani fit from the start, and now know the Greek is a capable player, that we are in a worse position....other than we lost one of your other favourite players in Yossi.
The problem with your assertion about the state of my mental health is that "this time last year" we had lost one of our key men from when we camesecond, Xabi, so we were in a much worse position already.
regards
Anyone who thinks we are in a 'stronger position' *in any way* than this time last year, when we had just finished second, is, frankly, a fucking mentalist
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I presume that was aimed at me Bren.
No one has said that at this current moment in time we are.
Mentalist might be a little harsh, stupidly optimistic maybe.
However I don't see from a team squad / perspective it is mental to say that if we do retain Torres and Gerrard, get Cole on a free, have brought in a support striker that is apparently better than our current options, move on some players that you in particular have problems with, and now have Rodriques in the squad, and Aqualani fit from the start, and now know the Greek is a capable player, that we are in a worse position....other than we lost one of your other favourite players in Yossi.
The problem with your assertion about the state of my mental health is that "this time last year" we had lost one of our key men from when we camesecond, Xabi, so we were in a much worse position already.
regards
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40868.msg1134817#msg1134817 date=1278954997]
Sport.co.uk understands that Joe Cole will make a decision on his future when he returns from holiday this week with Liverpool, Arsenal, and North London rivals Tottenham Hotspur the confirmed interested parties.
A representative close to the deal confirmed that Cole would make a decision on his future when he returns from holiday this week with the former Hammer and Chelsea midfielder weighing up offers from Arsene Wenger, Harry Redknap, and Roy Hodgson according to our sources.
Cole is not keen on a move abroad with the 28-year-old England international set to choose between two North London rivals Spurs and Arsenal, or a move to Liverpool to play under new manager Roy Hodgson. However, it is thought each manager is eager to meet with Cole when the winger returns from holiday in an attempt to persuade Cole to join.
Cole has stated that the best years of his career were still ahead of him, and that he wanted to play for a new manager who “loves†him. It is further understood that the player is keen to start a more central role in the midfield of his new club and that failure to get such a guarantee from potential suitors could push him elsewhere
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If he's going to make an issue of playing centrally I don't see room for both Cole and Aquilani in our squad.
Sport.co.uk understands that Joe Cole will make a decision on his future when he returns from holiday this week with Liverpool, Arsenal, and North London rivals Tottenham Hotspur the confirmed interested parties.
A representative close to the deal confirmed that Cole would make a decision on his future when he returns from holiday this week with the former Hammer and Chelsea midfielder weighing up offers from Arsene Wenger, Harry Redknap, and Roy Hodgson according to our sources.
Cole is not keen on a move abroad with the 28-year-old England international set to choose between two North London rivals Spurs and Arsenal, or a move to Liverpool to play under new manager Roy Hodgson. However, it is thought each manager is eager to meet with Cole when the winger returns from holiday in an attempt to persuade Cole to join.
Cole has stated that the best years of his career were still ahead of him, and that he wanted to play for a new manager who “loves†him. It is further understood that the player is keen to start a more central role in the midfield of his new club and that failure to get such a guarantee from potential suitors could push him elsewhere
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If he's going to make an issue of playing centrally I don't see room for both Cole and Aquilani in our squad.
No, this time last year we had just finished second, had CL football, were a far more attractive team to join, or stay with, and had a manager with a world-class CV
But due to that same manager seemingly going mental, we now have a club up for sale that nobody wants to buy, with lying cunts in charge and making all of the decisions, no CL football, a mediocre old manager, no money, and the reality that one or more of our *remaining* best players will leave, plus the fact that we have no fucking money to spend and are relying on free transfers to bolster an already poor squad
We're fucked
But due to that same manager seemingly going mental, we now have a club up for sale that nobody wants to buy, with lying cunts in charge and making all of the decisions, no CL football, a mediocre old manager, no money, and the reality that one or more of our *remaining* best players will leave, plus the fact that we have no fucking money to spend and are relying on free transfers to bolster an already poor squad
We're fucked
He is either purposely missing my point or on an out of control downward spiral of depression for which there will be no return
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Your point appears to be that we are somehow in a better position as a football club now vs one year ago
Which is absurd
Which is absurd
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40868.msg1134861#msg1134861 date=1278963849]
Your point appears to be that we are somehow in a better position as a football club now vs one year ago
Which is absurd
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I think Vlad's just trying to point out that we have the same team, & with the addition of Cole we'll be strengthened so to write us off is premature at best. I happen to agree TBH.
I dont expect that much by our standards, but if we arent challenging for 4th I'll be fucking surprised.
Your point appears to be that we are somehow in a better position as a football club now vs one year ago
Which is absurd
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I think Vlad's just trying to point out that we have the same team, & with the addition of Cole we'll be strengthened so to write us off is premature at best. I happen to agree TBH.
I dont expect that much by our standards, but if we arent challenging for 4th I'll be fucking surprised.
I kind of agree with both Vlad and Brendan, oddly enough. In terms of the *feeling* around the club and its future, things are obviously much worse. But in terms of actual playing staff - IF, as Vlad says, we keep Torres and Gerrard, sign Cole, and are able to spend all the money we get from sales - then I'd say there's been, if anything, a slight improvement.
It's still an 'if' at this stage though.
It's still an 'if' at this stage though.
I'm not sure any manager worth his salt will let a player dictate which position he plays, btw. Joe Cole just seems to want to be made a fuss of before signing. So make lots of vague promises, Roy, then pick him to play where you want him to play.
It looks increasingly likely every day that Torres and Gerrard are staying and Insua and Lucas are leaving. Joanofarcovich looks better than and back up we had last season either on the wing or at centre forward and we might be getting Cole.
Aqualani, The Greek and Johnson are hopefully a bit more settled at the club that a year ago.
That's before we spend any money on signings.
Hopefully the difference between now and last year was that the on the field problems were beginning to get out of hand in July 09 whereas just maybe some remedial action is now being taken and that decline has been arrested.
Aqualani, The Greek and Johnson are hopefully a bit more settled at the club that a year ago.
That's before we spend any money on signings.
Hopefully the difference between now and last year was that the on the field problems were beginning to get out of hand in July 09 whereas just maybe some remedial action is now being taken and that decline has been arrested.
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[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=40868.msg1134876#msg1134876 date=1278965590]
It looks increasingly likely every day that Torres and Gerrard are staying and Insua and Lucas are leaving. Joanofarcovich looks better than and back up we had last season either on the wing or at centre forward and we might be getting Cole.
Aqualani, The Greek and Johnson are hopefully a bit more settled at the club that a year ago.
That's before we spend any money on signings.
Hopefully the difference between now and last year was that the on the field problems were beginning to get out of hand in July 09 whereas just maybe some remedial action is now being taken and that decline has been arrested.
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I like that post.
Not that I'm that fed up with Insua and Lucas as others on here but it's a nice overall outlook anyways.
Optimistic-like even.
It looks increasingly likely every day that Torres and Gerrard are staying and Insua and Lucas are leaving. Joanofarcovich looks better than and back up we had last season either on the wing or at centre forward and we might be getting Cole.
Aqualani, The Greek and Johnson are hopefully a bit more settled at the club that a year ago.
That's before we spend any money on signings.
Hopefully the difference between now and last year was that the on the field problems were beginning to get out of hand in July 09 whereas just maybe some remedial action is now being taken and that decline has been arrested.
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I like that post.
Not that I'm that fed up with Insua and Lucas as others on here but it's a nice overall outlook anyways.
Optimistic-like even.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40868.msg1134873#msg1134873 date=1278965405]
I kind of agree with both Vlad and Brendan, oddly enough. In terms of the *feeling* around the club and its future, things are obviously much worse. But in terms of actual playing staff - IF, as Vlad says, we keep Torres and Gerrard, sign Cole, and are able to spend all the money we get from sales - then I'd say there's been, if anything, a slight improvement.
It's still an 'if' at this stage though.
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Yeah I agree, we're hardly 'fucked' as Brendan keeps labouring, no one knows what the fuck will happen yet.
I kind of agree with both Vlad and Brendan, oddly enough. In terms of the *feeling* around the club and its future, things are obviously much worse. But in terms of actual playing staff - IF, as Vlad says, we keep Torres and Gerrard, sign Cole, and are able to spend all the money we get from sales - then I'd say there's been, if anything, a slight improvement.
It's still an 'if' at this stage though.
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Yeah I agree, we're hardly 'fucked' as Brendan keeps labouring, no one knows what the fuck will happen yet.
I agree actually. Yes we may have underachieved last season, but city will get much better than we do. Top 4 would be fantastic.
And why wouldn't people mind insua? He's woeful.
And why wouldn't people mind insua? He's woeful.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40868.msg1134861#msg1134861 date=1278963849]
Your point appears to be that we are somehow in a better position as a football club now vs one year ago
Which is absurd
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I think Vlad's just trying to point out that we have the same team, & with the addition of Cole we'll be strengthened so to write us off is premature at best. I happen to agree TBH.
I dont expect that much by our standards, but if we arent challenging for 4th I'll be fucking surprised.
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Which is exactly what I am saying but adding in other potential and actual positives . I have been quite careful to say that this applies to the team aspects and not the financials. Glad that Gene and Bunny also buy in as absurd mentality
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40868.msg1134861#msg1134861 date=1278963849]
Your point appears to be that we are somehow in a better position as a football club now vs one year ago
Which is absurd
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I think Vlad's just trying to point out that we have the same team, & with the addition of Cole we'll be strengthened so to write us off is premature at best. I happen to agree TBH.
I dont expect that much by our standards, but if we arent challenging for 4th I'll be fucking surprised.
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Which is exactly what I am saying but adding in other potential and actual positives . I have been quite careful to say that this applies to the team aspects and not the financials. Glad that Gene and Bunny also buy in as absurd mentality
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=40868.msg1134895#msg1134895 date=1278970272]
I agree actually. Yes we may have underachieved last season, but city will get much better than we do. Top 4 would be fantastic.
And why wouldn't people mind insua? He's woeful.
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Roys a simple man who knows his football...He will know that every side who played us last season targeted Insua as a weakness, he will leave for around 3.5 million and might do quite will in a slower league.
I agree actually. Yes we may have underachieved last season, but city will get much better than we do. Top 4 would be fantastic.
And why wouldn't people mind insua? He's woeful.
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Roys a simple man who knows his football...He will know that every side who played us last season targeted Insua as a weakness, he will leave for around 3.5 million and might do quite will in a slower league.
I'd love to sign Cole... but I don't get how it's only the betting sites with any indication of his choice. I mean the tabloids generally jump on any rumour but a news google of 'joe cole liverpool' only takes you to oddschecker.
As for the other debate - we looked fucked when we played Athletico Madrid last pre-season and people in the ground at the time were looking at each other thinking... 'is that really it?' because we knew nothing was going to change between then and Spurs and we looked half the side that had finished the previous season. Something had gone critically wrong already and never improved. I thought Rafa was allowed 'one bad season' and could maybe fix it... until the last couple of months of last season when he looked and sounded like someone who didn't give a shit any more. It was the most depressing time to be a Liverpudlian that I can remember.
Right this second... I'm not that down. I think Roy can maybe get the best out of some very good footballers. How many did we send to the world cup? 14 or 16 or something? Our squad is not so thin, it just needs more in terms of firepower and creativity. Cole or someone on that level would have me thinking very positively about next season, certainly shitloads more positive than I should be, given the off field doom.
As for the other debate - we looked fucked when we played Athletico Madrid last pre-season and people in the ground at the time were looking at each other thinking... 'is that really it?' because we knew nothing was going to change between then and Spurs and we looked half the side that had finished the previous season. Something had gone critically wrong already and never improved. I thought Rafa was allowed 'one bad season' and could maybe fix it... until the last couple of months of last season when he looked and sounded like someone who didn't give a shit any more. It was the most depressing time to be a Liverpudlian that I can remember.
Right this second... I'm not that down. I think Roy can maybe get the best out of some very good footballers. How many did we send to the world cup? 14 or 16 or something? Our squad is not so thin, it just needs more in terms of firepower and creativity. Cole or someone on that level would have me thinking very positively about next season, certainly shitloads more positive than I should be, given the off field doom.
[quote author=crump link=topic=40868.msg1135169#msg1135169 date=1279025794]
I'd love to sign Cole... but I don't get how it's only the betting sites with any indication of his choice. I mean the tabloids generally jump on any rumour but a news google of 'joe cole liverpool' only takes you to oddschecker.
As for the other debate - we looked fucked when we played Athletico Madrid last pre-season and people in the ground at the time were looking at each other thinking... 'is that really it?' because we knew nothing was going to change between then and Spurs and we looked half the side that had finished the previous season. Something had gone critically wrong already and never improved. I thought Rafa was allowed 'one bad season' and could maybe fix it... until the last couple of months of last season when he looked and sounded like someone who didn't give a shit any more. It was the most depressing time to be a Liverpudlian that I can remember.
Right this second... I'm not that down. I think Roy can maybe get the best out of some very good footballers. How many did we send to the world cup? 14 or 16 or something? Our squad is not so thin, it just needs more in terms of firepower and creativity. Cole or someone on that level would have me thinking very positively about next season, certainly shitloads more positive than I should be, given the off field doom.
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Good post, crump, and welcome to the site.
I'd love to sign Cole... but I don't get how it's only the betting sites with any indication of his choice. I mean the tabloids generally jump on any rumour but a news google of 'joe cole liverpool' only takes you to oddschecker.
As for the other debate - we looked fucked when we played Athletico Madrid last pre-season and people in the ground at the time were looking at each other thinking... 'is that really it?' because we knew nothing was going to change between then and Spurs and we looked half the side that had finished the previous season. Something had gone critically wrong already and never improved. I thought Rafa was allowed 'one bad season' and could maybe fix it... until the last couple of months of last season when he looked and sounded like someone who didn't give a shit any more. It was the most depressing time to be a Liverpudlian that I can remember.
Right this second... I'm not that down. I think Roy can maybe get the best out of some very good footballers. How many did we send to the world cup? 14 or 16 or something? Our squad is not so thin, it just needs more in terms of firepower and creativity. Cole or someone on that level would have me thinking very positively about next season, certainly shitloads more positive than I should be, given the off field doom.
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Good post, crump, and welcome to the site.
Aye, good post mate, cheers.
Cheers. Anyways, more on that sort of thing. The season before last at the back end of the season, we played Hull and beat them just before the mancs came back coz of a flukey pen against Spurs. I sit in the centenary so get a TV view perspective of the game - but at Hull I was right behind the goal, and for some reason we started and ended the game with no one on the left. It didn't look that way on match of the day but stood right behind it, it was mental. There was this gap where someone should have been and if Alonso wouldn't have twatted it in from the freekick rebound we probably wouldn't have scored as they were soaking everything up as we were so narrow and everything was on the right.
We kinda stuck with that stupidness last year. After Riera and Rafa got divorced, Insua got all kinds of shit for being crap... but most of the time there was no one in front of him. Sometimes I'd swap my tickets and get a dad and lad in the anny road and I just couldn't get my head round how easy we were to defend against. It just seemed so simple - I wanted to get Rafa and stick him on the Kop ad say 'look... look at that you fucking mentalist... there's no one fucking there...' but what do I know?
This is rambling now... But Cole would fix that. Mind you, Riera might.
*gets shot*
We kinda stuck with that stupidness last year. After Riera and Rafa got divorced, Insua got all kinds of shit for being crap... but most of the time there was no one in front of him. Sometimes I'd swap my tickets and get a dad and lad in the anny road and I just couldn't get my head round how easy we were to defend against. It just seemed so simple - I wanted to get Rafa and stick him on the Kop ad say 'look... look at that you fucking mentalist... there's no one fucking there...' but what do I know?
This is rambling now... But Cole would fix that. Mind you, Riera might.
*gets shot*
Didn't we reject a bid from Juve for Riera?
Still, i have more faith in him than Babel.
Still, i have more faith in him than Babel.
[quote author=crump link=topic=40868.msg1135204#msg1135204 date=1279028506]
Mind you, that's quite uncharitable to Johnson.
Am I the only person here who thinks Johnson could be one of the very best wingers in the world, and wonders who the fuck ever told him he was a defender?
[/quote]I think Best in the world is a stretch, but if there was a quality RB available i wouldnt be against Johnson playing further forward.
Mind you, that's quite uncharitable to Johnson.
Am I the only person here who thinks Johnson could be one of the very best wingers in the world, and wonders who the fuck ever told him he was a defender?
[/quote]I think Best in the world is a stretch, but if there was a quality RB available i wouldnt be against Johnson playing further forward.
Nnanana. Hang on... I didn't say best... I said 'one of'. OK, it's a fairly nebulous term... So lets say top ten. I'd argue he could be top ten. He's got pace and pow... Hang on I've just turned into Alan Hansen, but he can beat a man, his crossing is ace, he can shoot great.
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