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Joe Cole wants to play CM with Gerrard!

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From all his previous comments, I'd got the impression that Cole saw himself as a no10, but this interview makes it sound like he expects to be in CM with Gerrard. Maybe I'm misreading it? Maybe he means that the two of them would have a DM behind them? I missed most of the BM game btw: what position did Cole play in that match?


JOE COLE hopes he has already made an impact at Liverpool by persuading skipper Steven Gerrard to remain at Anfield – and admits he can’t wait to play in the centre of midfield with him.

Gerrard is still wanted by new Real Madrid boss Jose Mourinho but indicated immediately after Cole’s arrival, on a free transfer from Chelsea, that he would be staying at Liverpool.


And Cole said: “I hope I did play a part in making him stay.


“Every year the big clubs have come calling for him because he’s a fantastic player but we have got to look to the future now at this club.


“This year, Liverpool is about consolidating, then moving on. There are players here who would get into any team in the world.


“Stevie is one of them and he knows what I can do – we have played together for England for ten years.


“I am looking forward to playing with him for Liverpool and the relationship is going to be important.


“I will play anywhere, though I hope it is central with him, with one of us going forward and the other pivoting.


“I can’t talk about our tactics but the manager knows what I can do on the left and the right.


“But it will be nice to be close to Stevie. I had conversations with him and Jamie Carragher at the World Cup – more afterwards because I was concentrating on the tournament. Everything about Liverpool impressed me.


“I just want to be part of something. We are part of a club which can do something special. If you win a trophy here – one of the big ones – it would be immense.â€


Cole, 28, decided to sign for Liverpool in preference to Arsenal and Spurs and raised eyebrows when he said it was the biggest club in the world.


But he backed up that statement by pointing out: “You have to look at the numbers. Liverpool have won five European Cups, 18 league titles, seven FA Cups and seven League Cups. I had two or three days of people talking to me about Kenny Dalglish, Kevin Keegan, John Barnes and Ian Rush.


“These names roll off the tongue and you think, ‘Bloody hell, I’m joining a club where those players have been.’


“There is a lot of pressure – but a lot to be proud of. I went to Chelsea at the right time, because Roman Abramovich had just come in.


“Hopefully I have come to Liverpool at the right time to help it become successful.


"Expectations are low. The previous management – however successful it had been – had come to an end and had become stale.


“Roy Hodgson has come in with fresh ideas and freshened the place up. I knew Roy was well respected and, if you talk to people in the game, they will tell you what a good coach he is.


“He is a nice guy and he gets his message across in English, although I have seen him coach in three different languages!


“He’s impressive like that. He knows his football and I can talk football to people like that for ages.â€


Cole, who could make his home debut against Rabotnicki in the second leg of the Europa League qualifier on Thursday night, also dismissed thoughts he might find it difficult to settle on Merseyside.


He added: “It is a very vibrant city – I love it. Moving awayfrom London was always going to be tough, because I have lived there all my life.


“But I will make it work.â€
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He played in the hole yesterday. And I don't think he's saying he wants to play CM. Just saying that he'd prefer to be in a central position than out on the left or right.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41240.msg1146694#msg1146694 date=1280734231]
if that happens then you may as well sell lucas and aqua...





[/quote]

Because both Joe Cole and Stevie G is known for playing 65+ games a season?
 
Well, Cole in a central midfield pairing with Gerrard is clearly not going to happen.
 
I was just wondering yesterday if it would be a bad idea to try Gerrard as dm. My guess is that that is the position he will have sooner rather than later anyway. He has the right attributes for it, he will dictate the tempo of the game and we have players who can play as the offensive mid. Aquilani for one has better vision and is a great passer. I know that Gerrard is one of our best attacking players but perhaps the team would benefit from it.

------------Torres--------------
------------Aquilani------------
Jovanovic-Cole-Rodriguez
------------Gerrard-----------

What do you think?
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=41240.msg1146708#msg1146708 date=1280735033]
I was just wondering yesterday if it would be a bad idea to try Gerrard as dm. My guess is that that is the position he will have sooner rather than later anyway. He has the right attributes for it, he will dictate the tempo of the game and we have players who can play as the offensive mid. Aquilani for one has better vision and is a great passer. I know that Gerrard is one of our best attacking players but perhaps the team would benefit from it.

------------Torres--------------
------------Aquilani------------
Jovanovic-Cole-Rodriguez
------------Gerrard-----------

What do you think?
[/quote]

Gerrard is capable of getting 20 goals a season; Aquilani's never scored more than about 5. It would be madness IMO.

What I guess Cole's talking about is something more like this:

DM

winger - Gerrard - Cole - winger

Torres


Looks potentially a bit isolating for Torres, but if Cole and Gerrard could find a way of supporting him consistently, it might work.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41240.msg1146716#msg1146716 date=1280735503]
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=41240.msg1146708#msg1146708 date=1280735033]
I was just wondering yesterday if it would be a bad idea to try Gerrard as dm. My guess is that that is the position he will have sooner rather than later anyway. He has the right attributes for it, he will dictate the tempo of the game and we have players who can play as the offensive mid. Aquilani for one has better vision and is a great passer. I know that Gerrard is one of our best attacking players but perhaps the team would benefit from it.

------------Torres--------------
------------Aquilani------------
Jovanovic-Cole-Rodriguez
------------Gerrard-----------

What do you think?
[/quote]

Gerrard is capable of getting 20 goals a season; Aquilani's never scored more than about 5. It would be madness IMO.

What I guess Cole's talking about is something more like this:

DM

winger - Gerrard - Cole - winger

Torres


Looks potentially a bit isolating for Torres, but if Cole and Gerrard could find a way of supporting him consistently, it might work.
[/quote]

Yep, that looks more likely, and Cole and Aquilani are both injury prone so I'm sure they'll juggle the position(s) between them and Gerrard.
 
Bunny, your suggestion looks most likely, with Cole and Aquilani sharing the position depending on form and fitness. And with Cole, Maxi, Kuyt, and Jovanovic all capable of playing either wide attacking position, we have a fair bit of versatility up front. Remains to be seen how it will work on the pitch but I like our look on paper considerably more than last year.
 
Thing is, you'd need a REALLY good DM to make that work. Someone in the class of, um, Javier Mascherano, for instance...
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41240.msg1146727#msg1146727 date=1280736088]
Thing is, you'd need a REALLY good DM to make that work. Someone in the class of, um, Javier Mascherano, for instance...
[/quote]


...or Lassana Diarra. A better footballer than Mascherano.
 
I've always maintained that Joe Cole's most effective position would be CM and this opinion has been much derided by most other posters but it would work.

In fairness Gerrard would not be my first choice of partner in CM for Joe Cole but if SG can adapt his game and restrict how many lung-bursting forays he makes into the opposition penalty area then a workable partnership is very viable with the exception of very tough matches away at Arsenal, United, Chelsea etc.

Also, SG is now 30 and will need to adapt his game over the next few seasons to last 90 minutes. He has the passing, tackling, vision etc to play the Alonso-role and become the deep-lying CM and if Joe Cole is augmenting our attack as well as we all hope then it could work.

Obviously in tougher away matches we would require a more rugged CM option.
 
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=41240.msg1146734#msg1146734 date=1280736291]
I've always maintained that Joe Cole's most effective position would be CM and this opinion has been much derided by most other posters but it would work.

In fairness Gerrard would not be my first choice of partner in CM for Joe Cole but if SG can adapt his game and restrict how many lung-bursting forays he makes into the opposition penalty area then a workable partnership is very viable with the exception of very tough matches away at Arsenal, United, Chelsea etc.

Also, SG is now 30 and will need to adapt his game over the next few seasons to last 90 minutes. He has the passing, tackling, vision etc to play the Alonso-role and become the deep-lying CM and if Joe Cole is augmenting our attack as well as we all hope then it could work.

Obviously in tougher away matches we would require a more rugged CM option.
[/quote]

I can't think of a CM pairing as out-and-out attacking as that since Keane and Scholes - and even they were tougher-tackling and more defensively minded than Gerrard and Cole. Even against West Brom, West Ham etc they would still need a DM behind them, unless you were instructing the full-backs not to attack.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41240.msg1146716#msg1146716 date=1280735503]
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=41240.msg1146708#msg1146708 date=1280735033]
I was just wondering yesterday if it would be a bad idea to try Gerrard as dm. My guess is that that is the position he will have sooner rather than later anyway. He has the right attributes for it, he will dictate the tempo of the game and we have players who can play as the offensive mid. Aquilani for one has better vision and is a great passer. I know that Gerrard is one of our best attacking players but perhaps the team would benefit from it.

------------Torres--------------
------------Aquilani------------
Jovanovic-Cole-Rodriguez
------------Gerrard-----------

What do you think?
[/quote]

Gerrard is capable of getting 20 goals a season; Aquilani's never scored more than about 5. It would be madness IMO.

What I guess Cole's talking about is something more like this:

DM

winger - Gerrard - Cole - winger

Torres


Looks potentially a bit isolating for Torres, but if Cole and Gerrard could find a way of supporting him consistently, it might work.
[/quote]

Agree re: Aquilani.

That could work, I suppose. Although the DM would have to be very, very good, and very, very mobile.

But who are those "wingers"? Kuyt and Jova? Hmmmmm
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=41240.msg1146708#msg1146708 date=1280735033]
I was just wondering yesterday if it would be a bad idea to try Gerrard as dm. My guess is that that is the position he will have sooner rather than later anyway. He has the right attributes for it, he will dictate the tempo of the game and we have players who can play as the offensive mid. Aquilani for one has better vision and is a great passer. I know that Gerrard is one of our best attacking players but perhaps the team would benefit from it.

------------Torres--------------
------------Aquilani------------
Jovanovic-Cole-Rodriguez
------------Gerrard-----------

What do you think?
[/quote]

Can Gerrard do that?
I'm not so sure he can
 
I can't think of a CM pairing as out-and-out attacking as that since Keane and Scholes - and even they were tougher-tackling and more defensively minded than Gerrard and Cole. Even against West Brom, West Ham etc they would still need a DM behind them, unless you were instructing the full-backs not to attack.
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Scholes is the worst tackler in Premiership history
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41240.msg1146748#msg1146748 date=1280736732]
If Maradona was our manager then this would have been a serious possibility.
[/quote]

...or perhaps we are too used to Houllier and Benitez that we actually think that a team needs 9 defenders.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41240.msg1146741#msg1146741 date=1280736530]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=41240.msg1146734#msg1146734 date=1280736291]
I've always maintained that Joe Cole's most effective position would be CM and this opinion has been much derided by most other posters but it would work.

In fairness Gerrard would not be my first choice of partner in CM for Joe Cole but if SG can adapt his game and restrict how many lung-bursting forays he makes into the opposition penalty area then a workable partnership is very viable with the exception of very tough matches away at Arsenal, United, Chelsea etc.

Also, SG is now 30 and will need to adapt his game over the next few seasons to last 90 minutes. He has the passing, tackling, vision etc to play the Alonso-role and become the deep-lying CM and if Joe Cole is augmenting our attack as well as we all hope then it could work.

Obviously in tougher away matches we would require a more rugged CM option.
[/quote]

I can't think of a CM pairing as out-and-out attacking as that since Keane and Scholes - and even they were tougher-tackling and more defensively minded than Gerrard and Cole. Even against West Brom, West Ham etc they would still need a DM behind them, unless you were instructing the full-backs not to attack.
[/quote]

I have a hunch that at the age of 30 the timing might be just right for Gerrard to adapt his game - we all know he's a strong tackler, can pick a pass and is capable of dominating the middle of the pitch. Carrick played the DM role for United quite a few times for the Scum last season and SG is a better tackler than him (better at everyting actually).
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41240.msg1146750#msg1146750 date=1280736832]
I can't think of a CM pairing as out-and-out attacking as that since Keane and Scholes - and even they were tougher-tackling and more defensively minded than Gerrard and Cole. Even against West Brom, West Ham etc they would still need a DM behind them, unless you were instructing the full-backs not to attack.
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Scholes is the worst tackler in Premiership history
[/quote]

He is, but at the time he was robust and not afraid to get stuck in. Cole is small and has zero presence.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41240.msg1146750#msg1146750 date=1280736832]
I can't think of a CM pairing as out-and-out attacking as that since Keane and Scholes - and even they were tougher-tackling and more defensively minded than Gerrard and Cole. Even against West Brom, West Ham etc they would still need a DM behind them, unless you were instructing the full-backs not to attack.
Click to expand...

Scholes is the worst tackler in Premiership history
[/quote]

I agree he's not very good at it. But at least he tackled. I'm not sure I've ever seen Joe Cole make a tackle.
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=41240.msg1146758#msg1146758 date=1280737337]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41240.msg1146748#msg1146748 date=1280736732]
If Maradona was our manager then this would have been a serious possibility.
[/quote]

...or perhaps we are too used to Houllier and Benitez that we actually think that a team needs 9 defenders.
[/quote]

Haha
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41240.msg1146727#msg1146727 date=1280736088]
Thing is, you'd need a REALLY good DM to make that work. Someone in the class of, um, Javier Mascherano, for instance...
[/quote]

Hmmm.... I wonder what kind of team has a player named Javier Mascherano....
 
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