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Is human error ruining our game?

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Aspire2Write

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I've recently wrote a blog on the issue "is human error having too much of an affect on the outcome of matches and ultimately league standings"

After the terrible decisions that went against us against city and Chelsea I just thought, this is a huge issue, the effect this could have at the end of the season is huge!

please give it a read and leave feedback and discuss it!

Football-4-thought.blogspot.com
 
I can't access anything with 'Blog' in the title over here (blocked by the Govt) but if it's a close league / cup match etc. then 'Yes of course it does'. We'd have another EC to our name too if that was the case.

Blatter and Platini have a lot to answer for. The introduction of instant replays for refs (even in a heads-up display - if they can put it in cars then in an affluent sport such as football they can afford it) would transform the game. Just imagine; correct calls for goals, offside, fouls, red cards, penalties, dangerous play, diving .... et al. If you believe Blatter this would take the fun out of the game. Corrupt Idiot.
 
Posting for those who can't access. Has pics in and is well laid out on the link so worth going in there if you can:

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Is Human error having too much of an affect on Football games, Results and ultimately League Standings?


As my first sports Blog, I have chosen a subject with many, many, many talking points. There are arguments for technology in all decisions in the game, a completely electronic referee. A lot of people oppose this as it takes away interpretation of complex situations such as playing advantage. It seems to me of late there have been a lot of decisions that are seriously affecting games and league position, now if this is the case it needs to be rectified as human error can't hinder team’s progress as much as it is. This seems a bit of an over-exaggeration I know. But some of these decisions have been jaw droppingly bad.


Now the first games that come to mind are Manchester City vs Liverpool, and Chelsea vs Liverpool. (I’m not biased honest), but hear me out. Now, Christmas day 2013, Liverpool are top of the league at Christmas for the first time time since 2008/2009 under Rafael Benitez. We all know Liverpool were doing pretty well to be up there, it has been the closest season at the top of the league that I can remember in my lifetime.

The upcoming games for Liverpool were Manchester City away and Chelsea away, 3 days apart from one another. As a Liverpool fan, I wasn’t expecting to pick up any points from these games. I always said "we won't be in the top 4 in January, we will struggle against City and Chelsea".

Having watched the both games, I came away feeling massively hard done by not to have any points from the games.





Manchester City vs Liverpool

Firstly ill refer to the City game, at 1-0 up in a very open game, it was looking good for Liverpool. City were always very dangerous on the ball and Liverpool were defending attack after attack in the first half after going 1-0 up. Liverpool won the ball and played out on the counter attack, a delightful through ball was put to Raheem Sterling who ran through one-on-one, when the whistle was blown, and offside was given. (Attached).





Now, I can't guarantee that Sterling was going to go on and score this chance. But I would say it was highly likely that he was. This would have left Liverpool 2-0 up away at Manchester City and in a very strong position to protect our score line and come away from this with at least a very good point, maybe even all 3. I can’t remember a worse offside decision given, I know the officials have a very tough game, it’s played at a million miles an hour and sterling is a very quick player. The defender is stepping out as sterling runs in and in real time it’s very quick, but he is 2-3 yards onside in this instance. Hard job it may be but these officials are professionals at this job. We may not have gone on to win or draw, it may have ended 3-2 if the situation was a 2-0 lead. But I would say it’s highly unlikely we would have come away with a loss. This obviously gives the big favourites for the league a 3 point advantage on us and knocks us off top spot.


Should technology exist in the case of offside? How would it work? Watching on sky sports there is a slow motion replay within 60 seconds of the incident. But I understand how do you manage it, would it be a "claim" similar to Tennis?....but if so, then what? A penalty as he was one-on-one? A free kick where he was called offside? It’s an impossible decision, but that incorrect decision could possibly have a massive effect on the league standings, when Liverpool lose out on the title to Manchester City by 2 points.




Chelsea vs Liverpool

Now comes 3 days later, feeling very hard done by at the Etihad, Liverpool travel to Stamford Bridge for an even tougher game. Liverpool got off to a wonderful start, with a goal from Martin Skrtl after just 3 minutes. Chelsea quickly turn it around and dominate the rest of the first half, with a brilliant strike from Eden Hazard it was 1-1. Until Samuel Eto'o makes it 2-1 later on in the game. Now my first question is, Should Samuel Eto'o have been on the pitch? (Attached)












This was a challenge made in the 4th minute of the game. Howard Webb was yards away from this and awarded a foul but did not even give Eto’o a booking. Never mind a red card. Eto'o has since came out and apologised for the foul, admitting it was a red card offence. Well that’s all well and good Samuel, but you went on to win the game so it doesn’t really matter.

Liverpool are 2-1 down and in the last 15-20 minutes of the game, pushing for an equaliser and creating chances, the game is starting to look like we might grab a point. In the 81st minute of the game, that man again, Samuel Eto'o cuts across Suarez's run and brings him down, away from the ball and right in front of the referee, for me this was a stone wall penalty. (Attached)










Now I’m not trying to be bitter, I don’t think Liverpool were ever really going to be title contenders. I believe that these were significant factors in Liverpool coming away from them 2 games 0 pints instead of at least 2 points, maybe 4.




Newcastle vs Manchester City

Now, I’m not just going to talk about Liverpool, it was just them two games were so close together they really stuck in my mind. I assume everyone this weekend has had the chance to see the Cheik Tiote disallowed goals for Newcastle against Manchester City. Newcastle were 1-0 down and deservedly so after a wonderful goal from Manchester City. After the goal, Newcastle started the dominated the game. Making many chances and just before the half time, a corner came and was partially cleared by the Man City defence, it fell to Cheik Tiote who hit a wonderful strike on the half volley, its squeezed through the crowd of players and rifled into the top corner, possibly the best goal he will ever score.

Technically, Gouffran is in an offside position. But the debate is "is he interfering with play?” he does have to duck out the way of the shot, but is his being there, affecting whether the goalkeeper saves it, or whether the defenders may have been in a different position depending on his position. You may argue the keeper was never going to save it, and that he wasn’t interfering with play. I have heard other arguments that because of gouffran's position, this means the defence step out, to put him in that offside position, therefore he interfering with other player's positions.








The general footballing world seems to think this was an incorrect decision. To the point that referee Mike Jones will now not be refereeing a Premier League game this upcoming weekend. Not purely because of this decision though. As the second half kicked off, Newcastle dominated the entire second half and deserved to grab a point. It was visible to see the frustration in the Newcastle players, as Nasri was brought down my Yanga-Mbiwa with a blatantly deliberate kick out. The foul resulted in Nasri leaving the field injured and now has been ruled out of action for 8 weeks. The player was not given a red card, another very very poor decision from the referee.








I can go back historically and discuss other referee decisions that were missed that had big effects on games, such as Thierry Henry's handball against the republic of Ireland, which single handedly (excuse the pun) stopped reaching the European championships.




Please leave a comment and discuss these issues and decisions, It’s something that can be debated all day long. Were these examples I mention even bad decisions in the first place? If so, what can be done? Technology? Retrospective points penalties? Games could be replayed? Or is it part and parcel of the game for mistakes to happen? It would be very hard to take to lose the league or even on a top 4 finish based on 1 or 2 points, if a decision had affected the outcome of a game earlier in the season.





This is my first piece of blogging on football, please comment, advise and criticise.[/article]
 
I'm trying to spread the blog out and about so people might stumble across it, if you think it's any good at all or raises any good points, please tweet it or like it on Facebook. I'll be posting new blogs on there regularly.
 
Sterling incident against Man City was at 0-0 - so it could be argued that it had no effect on the game anyway, since we got our 1-0 lead soon afterwards.
 
As for Newcastle game, I thought the ref was right. Hart clearly hesitated as the ball was on its way, glancing at the players in front. I don't think its the referee's job (as in American Football) to decide whether he would have saved it if undistracted. I'd have been annoyed if the decision was against us.
As for the question regarding retrospective points, then definitely not. If there's a change to be made, let it be an immediate change, and only for egregious cases, using technology. Of course that would not have helped Sterling - play was stopped and the chance gone.
I personally think that linesmen in general do a fantastic job, surely better than 30-40 years ago. How they are so often spot on over marginal calls where slow motion replay makes it so much easier afterwards. I think increased money I the game is spoiling it more than human error - as each game and decision are now so heavily analysed.
 
With the Newcastle decision, after watching it about 100 times I am inclined to agree with you, I think he hesitates when he sees where gouffran is standing. From the the reaction of the media circus and even the pundits, Gary Neville called it an awful
Decision after they all saw the replays, I assume that's with it being Man City why he so strongly disagreed.


Again I agree with you, I was merely stating the question for all the people out there who think technology will solve everything, the game would end up constantly stop starting whilst screens and replays are checked over. I also think it's right that the money has made it a much bigger problem as everything is analysed down to the blade of grass, but the competitions are worth so much money now to the clubs, players, fans. It has such an impact on the club for maybe the next 3 years between 4th and 5th. The revenue champions league football brings in, the caliber of players the tournement attracts. The knock on effects can be enormous. It's the mind of subject I can talk about, from both sides of the fence all day long.
 
Sterling incident against Man City was at 0-0 - so it could be argued that it had no effect on the game anyway, since we got our 1-0 lead soon afterwards.

I see it this way, annoying as it was as you say we soon went 1-0 up anyway, funny how some seem to think the same game would of panned out had Sterling scored, in no way would that of been the case.

Refs have been fucking games up from day one, its nothing new, we finally have goal line tech now, retrospective punishments for diving should be next, also refs should be punished/suspended for bad performances but not sure that would really work as we would run out of refs because they are that bad, anything else i would leave, maybe have 1 challenge for a manager each game where they can appeal 1 decision by replay, still not sure on that one.
 
I agree with the general theme @Aspire2Write - I think that human error is having a greater impact (or maybe better put, that we have a greater ability to know when it is an error than in the past. e.g. replays etc) and with a lot more at stake, there should be ways to slowly introduce technology. I don't know how that would work with an offside call (I don't think it could unless it was a post goal review for offside) but for possible red card offences I think a 4th official on a tv replay should get involved.
 
Just started reading a bit of that blog, you have messed up the Man City v Liverpool bit, the chance for Sterling was at 0-0 as Mersey86 mentioned earlier.
 
Refs and linesmen are often too afraid to make a decision that costs a goal. They seem happier to give more the way of the defending team. It is always less controversial. There are other factors too. A friend of mine noted that howard webb has given no penalties or red cards this season and had given a few of each at this stage last season. He thinks webb was keeping his slate cean for when world cup referee were being chosen.
 
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