i'll be fucking furious if we spend 20 mill on him. unbelievable.
If we sign Darren Bent
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Re: Re: Re: If we sign Darren Bent
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owotaiye Owonubi Taiye
RT @KopiteKorner: Mark Lawrenson has been heard on radio to say that Darren Bent is on the verge of signing for #LFC
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This is what prompted my post, reading this.
Does that fact that Bent tried and spectacularly failed at Tottenham (closest thing he's had to a "big" club) not tell the club anything. The fact that the very robbie keane that was keeping him out of there starting eleven then joined us and failed, spectacularly. It's beggars believe.
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Yes a 1 in 3 ratio at spurs made him a phenomenal failure
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Yet he was sold off after two years and could barely get a game towards the end.
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So a striker scores goals and does his job, but because 'arry didn't like him we shouldn't buy him?
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RT @KopiteKorner: Mark Lawrenson has been heard on radio to say that Darren Bent is on the verge of signing for #LFC
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This is what prompted my post, reading this.
Does that fact that Bent tried and spectacularly failed at Tottenham (closest thing he's had to a "big" club) not tell the club anything. The fact that the very robbie keane that was keeping him out of there starting eleven then joined us and failed, spectacularly. It's beggars believe.
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Yes a 1 in 3 ratio at spurs made him a phenomenal failure
[/quote]
Yet he was sold off after two years and could barely get a game towards the end.
[/quote]
So a striker scores goals and does his job, but because 'arry didn't like him we shouldn't buy him?
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Serious question, do you think LFC have made a point of signing a black player in January?
I really think so
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No
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If it was the case couldnt we just buy a better player anyway. Why settle for Bent. Douglas Costa, ftw.
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Serious question, do you think LFC have made a point of signing a black player in January?
I really think so
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No
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If it was the case couldnt we just buy a better player anyway. Why settle for Bent. Douglas Costa, ftw.
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Serious question, do you think LFC have made a point of signing a black player in January?
I really think so
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No
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If it was the case couldnt we just buy a better player anyway. Why settle for Bent. Douglas Costa, ftw.
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Not premiership proven... we need goals we ain't got time to wait and bed someone in..
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Serious question, do you think LFC have made a point of signing a black player in January?
I really think so
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No
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If it was the case couldnt we just buy a better player anyway. Why settle for Bent. Douglas Costa, ftw.
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Not premiership proven... we need goals we ain't got time to wait and bed someone in..
If this is true. i'd be fuming.
I'm also equally sure that there will be some cabbage justifying the merits of this signing, and there will be an internet war, and this thread will cross 100 pages, by which point we would have all come to the agreement that he is indeed a shite player.
We have seen this before. I hope Dalglish saves us from the pain, and walks away from this deal.
I'm also equally sure that there will be some cabbage justifying the merits of this signing, and there will be an internet war, and this thread will cross 100 pages, by which point we would have all come to the agreement that he is indeed a shite player.
We have seen this before. I hope Dalglish saves us from the pain, and walks away from this deal.
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If this is true. i'd be fuming.
I'm also equally sure that there will be some cabbage justifying the merits of this signing, and there will be an internet war, and this thread will cross 100 pages, by which point we would have all come to the agreement that he is indeed a shite player.
We have seen this before. I hope Dalglish saves us from the pain, and walks away from this club
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If this is true. i'd be fuming.
I'm also equally sure that there will be some cabbage justifying the merits of this signing, and there will be an internet war, and this thread will cross 100 pages, by which point we would have all come to the agreement that he is indeed a shite player.
We have seen this before. I hope Dalglish saves us from the pain, and walks away from this club
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Serious question, do you think LFC have made a point of signing a black player in January?
I really think so
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No
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If it was the case couldnt we just buy a better player anyway. Why settle for Bent. Douglas Costa, ftw.
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Not premiership proven... we need goals we ain't got time to wait and bed someone in..
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Not this Premiership proven crap again. We should identify a good talent and buy them. The scouts must earn their bread. It's time you realized we are not going anywhere fast. So we have all the time we need to "bed someone"....
Hope we learnt from our mistakes in the summer. Spending big money on average player increases the chance of failure because of the added pressure it creates.
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Serious question, do you think LFC have made a point of signing a black player in January?
I really think so
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No
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If it was the case couldnt we just buy a better player anyway. Why settle for Bent. Douglas Costa, ftw.
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Not premiership proven... we need goals we ain't got time to wait and bed someone in..
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Not this Premiership proven crap again. We should identify a good talent and buy them. The scouts must earn their bread. It's time you realized we are not going anywhere fast. So we have all the time we need to "bed someone"....
Hope we learnt from our mistakes in the summer. Spending big money on average player increases the chance of failure because of the added pressure it creates.
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Keane works well with a big lad.
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Im not sure what you mean there Gerry
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Well that he's done well for Ireland with a target man, and Spurs, I'm sure elsewhere too.
Doesn't mean I want him back though.
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Keane works well with a big lad.
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Im not sure what you mean there Gerry
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Well that he's done well for Ireland with a target man, and Spurs, I'm sure elsewhere too.
Doesn't mean I want him back though.
Re: Re: Re: If we sign Darren Bent
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owotaiye Owonubi Taiye
RT @KopiteKorner: Mark Lawrenson has been heard on radio to say that Darren Bent is on the verge of signing for #LFC
[/quote]
This is what prompted my post, reading this.
Does that fact that Bent tried and spectacularly failed at Tottenham (closest thing he's had to a "big" club) not tell the club anything. The fact that the very robbie keane that was keeping him out of there starting eleven then joined us and failed, spectacularly. It's beggars believe.
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Yes a 1 in 3 ratio at spurs made him a phenomenal failure
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Yet he was sold off after two years and could barely get a game towards the end.
[/quote]
So a striker scores goals and does his job, but because 'arry didn't like him we shouldn't buy him?
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It wasn't because Harry didn't like him it was because he wasn't very good.
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owotaiye Owonubi Taiye
RT @KopiteKorner: Mark Lawrenson has been heard on radio to say that Darren Bent is on the verge of signing for #LFC
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This is what prompted my post, reading this.
Does that fact that Bent tried and spectacularly failed at Tottenham (closest thing he's had to a "big" club) not tell the club anything. The fact that the very robbie keane that was keeping him out of there starting eleven then joined us and failed, spectacularly. It's beggars believe.
[/quote]
Yes a 1 in 3 ratio at spurs made him a phenomenal failure
[/quote]
Yet he was sold off after two years and could barely get a game towards the end.
[/quote]
So a striker scores goals and does his job, but because 'arry didn't like him we shouldn't buy him?
[/quote]
It wasn't because Harry didn't like him it was because he wasn't very good.
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If this is true. i'd be fuming.
I'm also equally sure that there will be some cabbage justifying the merits of this signing, and there will be an internet war, and this thread will cross 100 pages, by which point we would have all come to the agreement that he is indeed a shite player.
We have seen this before. I hope Dalglish saves us from the pain, and walks away from this club
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Why he is doing a good job. Luck hasn't gone our way this season, but we have bounced back from the mess that was created by Hodgson. It was always going to take time.....there is no heart ache. I quite like being guided by a steady hand who has been there and done it for once.....
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If this is true. i'd be fuming.
I'm also equally sure that there will be some cabbage justifying the merits of this signing, and there will be an internet war, and this thread will cross 100 pages, by which point we would have all come to the agreement that he is indeed a shite player.
We have seen this before. I hope Dalglish saves us from the pain, and walks away from this club
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Why he is doing a good job. Luck hasn't gone our way this season, but we have bounced back from the mess that was created by Hodgson. It was always going to take time.....there is no heart ache. I quite like being guided by a steady hand who has been there and done it for once.....
Re: Re: Re: If we sign Darren Bent
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owotaiye Owonubi Taiye
RT @KopiteKorner: Mark Lawrenson has been heard on radio to say that Darren Bent is on the verge of signing for #LFC
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This is what prompted my post, reading this.
Does that fact that Bent tried and spectacularly failed at Tottenham (closest thing he's had to a "big" club) not tell the club anything. The fact that the very robbie keane that was keeping him out of there starting eleven then joined us and failed, spectacularly. It's beggars believe.
[/quote]
Yes a 1 in 3 ratio at spurs made him a phenomenal failure
[/quote]
Yet he was sold off after two years and could barely get a game towards the end.
[/quote]
So a striker scores goals and does his job, but because 'arry didn't like him we shouldn't buy him?
[/quote]
It wasn't because Harry didn't like him it was because he wasn't very good.
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in the 2007-11 table he is 6th top scorer on goals to minutes played.
Torres
Van Persie
Rooney
Tevez
Drogba
Bent
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owotaiye Owonubi Taiye
RT @KopiteKorner: Mark Lawrenson has been heard on radio to say that Darren Bent is on the verge of signing for #LFC
[/quote]
This is what prompted my post, reading this.
Does that fact that Bent tried and spectacularly failed at Tottenham (closest thing he's had to a "big" club) not tell the club anything. The fact that the very robbie keane that was keeping him out of there starting eleven then joined us and failed, spectacularly. It's beggars believe.
[/quote]
Yes a 1 in 3 ratio at spurs made him a phenomenal failure
[/quote]
Yet he was sold off after two years and could barely get a game towards the end.
[/quote]
So a striker scores goals and does his job, but because 'arry didn't like him we shouldn't buy him?
[/quote]
It wasn't because Harry didn't like him it was because he wasn't very good.
[/quote]
in the 2007-11 table he is 6th top scorer on goals to minutes played.
Torres
Van Persie
Rooney
Tevez
Drogba
Bent
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Squiggles
Guest
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owotaiye Owonubi Taiye
RT @KopiteKorner: Mark Lawrenson has been heard on radio to say that Darren Bent is on the verge of signing for #LFC
[/quote]
This is what prompted my post, reading this.
Does that fact that Bent tried and spectacularly failed at Tottenham (closest thing he's had to a "big" club) not tell the club anything. The fact that the very robbie keane that was keeping him out of there starting eleven then joined us and failed, spectacularly. It's beggars believe.
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Yes a 1 in 3 ratio at spurs made him a phenomenal failure
[/quote]
Yet he was sold off after two years and could barely get a game towards the end.
[/quote]
So a striker scores goals and does his job, but because 'arry didn't like him we shouldn't buy him?
[/quote]
It wasn't because Harry didn't like him it was because he wasn't very good.
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That's just inaccurate. Berbatov and Keane had a very good partnership throughout his time there. Comolli signed him for Spurs at a time they didn't need him at all.
The same cannot be said this time around. We're desperate for goals and whilst Bent may not be the ideal signing, I think he'd still score plenty for us.
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owotaiye Owonubi Taiye
RT @KopiteKorner: Mark Lawrenson has been heard on radio to say that Darren Bent is on the verge of signing for #LFC
[/quote]
This is what prompted my post, reading this.
Does that fact that Bent tried and spectacularly failed at Tottenham (closest thing he's had to a "big" club) not tell the club anything. The fact that the very robbie keane that was keeping him out of there starting eleven then joined us and failed, spectacularly. It's beggars believe.
[/quote]
Yes a 1 in 3 ratio at spurs made him a phenomenal failure
[/quote]
Yet he was sold off after two years and could barely get a game towards the end.
[/quote]
So a striker scores goals and does his job, but because 'arry didn't like him we shouldn't buy him?
[/quote]
It wasn't because Harry didn't like him it was because he wasn't very good.
[/quote]
That's just inaccurate. Berbatov and Keane had a very good partnership throughout his time there. Comolli signed him for Spurs at a time they didn't need him at all.
The same cannot be said this time around. We're desperate for goals and whilst Bent may not be the ideal signing, I think he'd still score plenty for us.
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If this is true. i'd be fuming.
I'm also equally sure that there will be some cabbage justifying the merits of this signing, and there will be an internet war, and this thread will cross 100 pages, by which point we would have all come to the agreement that he is indeed a shite player.
We have seen this before. I hope Dalglish saves us from the pain, and walks away from this club
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Why he is doing a good job. Luck hasn't gone our way this season, but we have bounced back from the mess that was created by Hodgson. It was always going to take time.....there is no heart ache. I quite like being guided by a steady hand who has been there and done it for once.....
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i do think he's a good manager really, and i wouldnt get rid of him, but it seems that everyone could have told him that most of his signings were shite, everyone saw it besides him and comolli
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=48146.msg1456143#msg1456143 date=1325692644]
If this is true. i'd be fuming.
I'm also equally sure that there will be some cabbage justifying the merits of this signing, and there will be an internet war, and this thread will cross 100 pages, by which point we would have all come to the agreement that he is indeed a shite player.
We have seen this before. I hope Dalglish saves us from the pain, and walks away from this club
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Why he is doing a good job. Luck hasn't gone our way this season, but we have bounced back from the mess that was created by Hodgson. It was always going to take time.....there is no heart ache. I quite like being guided by a steady hand who has been there and done it for once.....
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i do think he's a good manager really, and i wouldnt get rid of him, but it seems that everyone could have told him that most of his signings were shite, everyone saw it besides him and comolli
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I'd sign him for 10-12 mill , thats it. If we pay 20 mill for him my head will explode.
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Yep totally agree, I've always liked him, it's just the £20milloon bit that's the problem
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Torres
Van Persie
Rooney
Tevez
Drogba
Only these players have a better goal to time played Ratio than him, the top one cost 50 Million and the bottom one cost 24 Million in 2004 the rest are closer to the Torres figure if they ever became available
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I'd sign him for 10-12 mill , thats it. If we pay 20 mill for him my head will explode.
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Yep totally agree, I've always liked him, it's just the £20milloon bit that's the problem
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Torres
Van Persie
Rooney
Tevez
Drogba
Only these players have a better goal to time played Ratio than him, the top one cost 50 Million and the bottom one cost 24 Million in 2004 the rest are closer to the Torres figure if they ever became available
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Serious question, do you think LFC have made a point of signing a black player in January?
I really think so
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No
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If it was the case couldnt we just buy a better player anyway. Why settle for Bent. Douglas Costa, ftw.
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Not premiership proven... we need goals we ain't got time to wait and bed someone in..
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Not this Premiership proven crap again. We should identify a good talent and buy them. The scouts must earn their bread. It's time you realized we are not going anywhere fast. So we have all the time we need to "bed someone"....
Hope we learnt from our mistakes in the summer. Spending big money on average player increases the chance of failure because of the added pressure it creates.
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Not always that easy though, you can identify quality overseas, however it always carrys an element of risk.. how quick do they settle in, can they adapt to the premier league.. ? ?
Bent scores goals.. we need goals I see no risk... tbf...
His record for villa and Sunderland has be better than 1 in 2.. I'd kill for a striker who could do that at present..
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Serious question, do you think LFC have made a point of signing a black player in January?
I really think so
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No
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If it was the case couldnt we just buy a better player anyway. Why settle for Bent. Douglas Costa, ftw.
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Not premiership proven... we need goals we ain't got time to wait and bed someone in..
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Not this Premiership proven crap again. We should identify a good talent and buy them. The scouts must earn their bread. It's time you realized we are not going anywhere fast. So we have all the time we need to "bed someone"....
Hope we learnt from our mistakes in the summer. Spending big money on average player increases the chance of failure because of the added pressure it creates.
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Not always that easy though, you can identify quality overseas, however it always carrys an element of risk.. how quick do they settle in, can they adapt to the premier league.. ? ?
Bent scores goals.. we need goals I see no risk... tbf...
His record for villa and Sunderland has be better than 1 in 2.. I'd kill for a striker who could do that at present..
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Aston Villa have said he's not for sale at any price.
Just heard it on the radio.
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I guess that means we will buy him for £40 mill then.
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Yeah, I hate when clubs say things like that, it just means we're going to be more out of pocket.
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Aston Villa have said he's not for sale at any price.
Just heard it on the radio.
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I guess that means we will buy him for £40 mill then.
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Yeah, I hate when clubs say things like that, it just means we're going to be more out of pocket.
I'm trying to take a positive view.
He averages a goal every other game for almost every club he played for, except Ipswich during his early days and Tottenham.
Even for the failed stint at White Hart Lane, he was top league scorer in the league and for the club in season 08/09 with 12 and 17 goals respectively.
The names of Barrios and Lewandowski doesn't fill me with confidence - not saying they won't do well but compared to the stature of say Suarez was with Ajax, the duo are part of a raising Dortmund team, not exactly in the established star mould, at least not at the moment in my opinion.
I'm starting to be detached from figures and fees quoted/mentioned. The market has seldom been sane, clubs take advantage of buying club's need/desperation to strengthen a certain person, and most importantly, whats 10m-15m above valuation when we've blown 55m on 2 players? Not to say I condone such waste/non-nonsensical spending but one would like to think the likes of Ian Ayre knows where the club's financial standing is.
I'm not an advocator for EPL-proven either but how any signing now should be geared towards making an immediate impact for a surge towards CL qualification. Otherwise we might as well use the remaining of the season to 'bed' the signings in with a string of regular starts. Can't ignore the fact that having experience in the league does help - e.g. Enrique vs. Taiwo/Cissokho/Pereira etc. - surely the Championship experience helped.
There's the Euros too. Those established at their current club are unlikely to leave. Like Podolski mentioned, there's no need to jeopardize by moving to a new team/league. Besides they would've come so far probably because of their current club - so there's the sentimental part. Or for example in Valencia - Soldado's case, neither party have a strong case to sell/leave and at the moment are well-matched for each other.
Then there's also our current situation. Any signing coming in knows we're in the fight for CL qualification, with no guarantees that we'll make it. It could be a CL-less season next campaign. Might sound silly but its similar predicament that players joining clubs fighting against relegation face. Continue to excel and I might get a move to a big club next summer. Is the move worth the 'risks' involved?
Just want to reiterate I'm not advocating for Bent's signing, nor am I overly impressed with the rumour and link, less so by the price tag, but there are factors to consider
He averages a goal every other game for almost every club he played for, except Ipswich during his early days and Tottenham.
Even for the failed stint at White Hart Lane, he was top league scorer in the league and for the club in season 08/09 with 12 and 17 goals respectively.
The names of Barrios and Lewandowski doesn't fill me with confidence - not saying they won't do well but compared to the stature of say Suarez was with Ajax, the duo are part of a raising Dortmund team, not exactly in the established star mould, at least not at the moment in my opinion.
I'm starting to be detached from figures and fees quoted/mentioned. The market has seldom been sane, clubs take advantage of buying club's need/desperation to strengthen a certain person, and most importantly, whats 10m-15m above valuation when we've blown 55m on 2 players? Not to say I condone such waste/non-nonsensical spending but one would like to think the likes of Ian Ayre knows where the club's financial standing is.
I'm not an advocator for EPL-proven either but how any signing now should be geared towards making an immediate impact for a surge towards CL qualification. Otherwise we might as well use the remaining of the season to 'bed' the signings in with a string of regular starts. Can't ignore the fact that having experience in the league does help - e.g. Enrique vs. Taiwo/Cissokho/Pereira etc. - surely the Championship experience helped.
There's the Euros too. Those established at their current club are unlikely to leave. Like Podolski mentioned, there's no need to jeopardize by moving to a new team/league. Besides they would've come so far probably because of their current club - so there's the sentimental part. Or for example in Valencia - Soldado's case, neither party have a strong case to sell/leave and at the moment are well-matched for each other.
Then there's also our current situation. Any signing coming in knows we're in the fight for CL qualification, with no guarantees that we'll make it. It could be a CL-less season next campaign. Might sound silly but its similar predicament that players joining clubs fighting against relegation face. Continue to excel and I might get a move to a big club next summer. Is the move worth the 'risks' involved?
Just want to reiterate I'm not advocating for Bent's signing, nor am I overly impressed with the rumour and link, less so by the price tag, but there are factors to consider
Fuck, is this happening?
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Serious question, do you think LFC have made a point of signing a black player in January?
I really think so
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No
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If it was the case couldnt we just buy a better player anyway. Why settle for Bent. Douglas Costa, ftw.
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Not premiership proven... we need goals we ain't got time to wait and bed someone in..
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Not this Premiership proven crap again. We should identify a good talent and buy them. The scouts must earn their bread. It's time you realized we are not going anywhere fast. So we have all the time we need to "bed someone"....
Hope we learnt from our mistakes in the summer. Spending big money on average player increases the chance of failure because of the added pressure it creates.
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Not always that easy though, you can identify quality overseas, however it always carrys an element of risk.. how quick do they settle in, can they adapt to the premier league.. ? ?
Bent scores goals.. we need goals I see no risk... tbf...
His record for villa and Sunderland has be better than 1 in 2.. I'd kill for a striker who could do that at present..
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His record is not in doubt. The general consensus seems to be that opposing teams play differently against Liverpool compared to the teams for which Bent has scored his goals therefore he may struggle to continue his 1 in 2 strike rate at Anfield.
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Serious question, do you think LFC have made a point of signing a black player in January?
I really think so
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No
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If it was the case couldnt we just buy a better player anyway. Why settle for Bent. Douglas Costa, ftw.
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Not premiership proven... we need goals we ain't got time to wait and bed someone in..
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Not this Premiership proven crap again. We should identify a good talent and buy them. The scouts must earn their bread. It's time you realized we are not going anywhere fast. So we have all the time we need to "bed someone"....
Hope we learnt from our mistakes in the summer. Spending big money on average player increases the chance of failure because of the added pressure it creates.
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Not always that easy though, you can identify quality overseas, however it always carrys an element of risk.. how quick do they settle in, can they adapt to the premier league.. ? ?
Bent scores goals.. we need goals I see no risk... tbf...
His record for villa and Sunderland has be better than 1 in 2.. I'd kill for a striker who could do that at present..
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His record is not in doubt. The general consensus seems to be that opposing teams play differently against Liverpool compared to the teams for which Bent has scored his goals therefore he may struggle to continue his 1 in 2 strike rate at Anfield.
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