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Ha, seriously though, I do think we'd be even more dangerous up front if we had good crossing from the full backs. Johnson is fantastic going forward, but not the greatest crosser, thats fine, but we need a crosser from the other side. If Enrique could deliver a good cross, he'd be a fantastic fullback, unfortunately, he can't.
I actually miss Aurelio. Best crosser we've had these past few years.
He can become a top class player.
Definitely, his delivery full stop was just fantastic.
And whys that then?
I've always believed that too, I'm not sure of the stats, but I'd reckon 90% of (lofted) crosses amount to nothing.
You're basically just kicking the ball away, unless you have someone absolutely exceptional at it.
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Well, a good crosser of the ball is someone who can deliver a dangerous cross, I agree those lofted ball is are a load of shit. It's good to have that threat in the team, as it's another concern for our opponents, and both Suarez and Sturridge are decent at meeting crosses into the box.
Just went digging:
Roughly 20% of crosses find a man.
15% of all goals come from open play crosses
8% of crosses end up as a goal.
For me, it's kicking the ball away. There are far more effective ways of scoring goals. I'm not saying you should never cross it, for fear of being predictable, but you'll get a fair share of goals from an average crosser of the ball anyway.
These days, you'd do as well playing a long ball as you would be having a old style winger sending in crosses.
Roughly 20% of crosses find a man.
15% of all goals come from open play crosses
8% of crosses end up as a goal.
For me, it's kicking the ball away. There are far more effective ways of scoring goals. I'm not saying you should never cross it, for fear of being predictable, but you'll get a fair share of goals from an average crosser of the ball anyway.
These days, you'd do as well playing a long ball as you would be having a old style winger sending in crosses.
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I would be very interested to see what the stats for scoring from passes into the box is, because I don't think there will be much difference. A good crosser is a fantastic asset, especially one who can bend a low cross around the defenders and perfectly into the path of a striker.
8% of crosses ending up as a goal is a fairly high percentage. I don't think it should be the crux of someone's game, but there's clearly a place for it, see Stevie and Beckham's delivery, there's a real difficulty in defending a ball whipped in between defenders and goalkeeper. I know it's old fashioned territory and it doesn't fit with the pass and move theory, sexy football believers, but sometimes we need to be a bit more direct (Suarez last season against Newcastle anyone?).
How many final balls end up as a goal? It's really just another string to a sides bow, it's not quite as redundant as Ryan is making out. I don't think teams should be going out and buying someone just for their crossing ability, but it's a good additional asset to have, and we'll get a fair few from Stevie his season, so of course it's useful, regardless of the low percentage. It's like saying goals from defenders aren't important. It was important enough to Chelsea when they were getting 10 goals a season from their defense under Mourinho. Every little helps and all that shit, if it got us 6 points across the course of the season, those 6 points might be the difference.
30% come from centrally inside the half, 25% from inside the 18 yard box.
I actually think the only type of cross that is consistently effective is the one you mention, but it's not generally the one people think of when they think of a person crossing the ball.
Quite, I think people have this perception of it being a player who whips it in onto a players head, or perfectly onto their foot. It should be about putting the ball into the danger zone, it's as much about good movement and anticipation from the attacker, as it is about supplying a spot-on ball into the box.
A more interesting (and comparable) stat , would be the percentage of through balls that lead to goals
It's my favourite type of cross, and a cross i'd like to see more, also that cross in the air is very effective too. A good crosser in our team, especially from a fullback would be a big asset, and like mark says, 8% is still a fair few goals a season.
Yeh, thats what I was trying to imply with passes into the box, I'm convince it won't be much higher than 8%.
Yeah, I think redundant is going too far. But buying someone for their crossing ability(Adam, Downing etc) is something I hope we don't do again, and not just because it was those players. First and foremost, they need to be better players. There is the odd exception like Beckham, but there isn't many of them.
And I wouldn't drop a full back or winger because they're not very good at crossing into the box, the fact is that very few are. That doesn't mean they don't need an attacking part to their game, but there are far better and more effective ways of having one than crossing.
Yup. I think when Johnson was playing left back, his crossing was a bigger part of his game than at right back, because he cut back inside and played the ball over the top as an inswinger, which proved alot more effective than whipping it in from the right, but again, that wasn't the only asset he brought to the table from there as an attacking left back, he could take players on and shoot. Finnan put in a good delivery and that gave us a few goals too, it wasn't the be all and end all of his game, but it helped chip in.
harsh on llori, nothing to judge him on.
The closest I can find are these, dated 18 Nov 2013.
http://www.bsports.com/statsinsights/football/premier-leagues-through-ball-leaders
http://www.bsports.com/extratime/through-balls-and-goals-among-premier-league-clubs
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