I reckon we should drop Gerrard for a bit, just until he regains his form.
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*the unlike bit* erm and replace with who ?
Yeah, we've gone all Rawk. Someone here wanted Lucas in place of Gerrard. Mind boggles.
I think some people are saying he shouldn't be playing 90 minutes every week. Which in respect of a 33 year old who has suffered a litany of injuries, shouldn't be treated as heresy.
He played two international games looked tired in the 2nd half. The right thing to do would have been to sub him and get Allen on. Btw was he even on the bench?
Anyway I'm not liking the idea of dropping Gerrard.
People should just calm themselves down a bit and wait for Suarez to return.
Anyway I'm not liking the idea of dropping Gerrard.
People should just calm themselves down a bit and wait for Suarez to return.
While I do think its silly to think about dropping him, I wish we were in a position where it wasn't so silly. We should have a midfield that looks to a future where he's not around. He's a shadow of his former self, and while his direct play is great at times, it also concedes possession a lot, and he needs to choose his spots more. We should be trying to get him some rest.
I was slightly disturbed by the idea that Shelvey was told to go because Gerrard just has the position by default in perpetuity. Not because of Shelvey specifically, mind you.
I was slightly disturbed by the idea that Shelvey was told to go because Gerrard just has the position by default in perpetuity. Not because of Shelvey specifically, mind you.
Yeah. Did anyone say drop him btw? Rosco probably said it with his serious face on, the usual cretins probably said it with the above face on.
He needs to start pulling his finger out, I don't think he's suited to the role he's playing, he never has been really, he's always been better when not shackled. People are just looking at players like Scholes and putting 2+2 together, he can do a job but when your midfield is getting overran with midfields like last nights one, then you've got issues. I remember an Alonso/Gerrard partnership getting steam rolled by a Savage/Tugay partnership, it happens. He'll be good in some games, in others his ball watching and general inability to do the more defensive stuff will be our undoing, that and Lucas being a bit one dimensional. He should play his normal role and rotate a bit with Coutinho, not dropped, "rotated".
I don't think that's harsh, or mental.
We can't drop him because we have no one to replace or challenge him.
At 33 and with his body having taken a bashing with injuries over the years, does he really have to play every single game though?
Those calling for him to be dropped every so often him/rotated/rested automatically mean you must be a Stevie G hater?
Is it so illogical to presume he can't play at such a high as often these days hence people can suggest he shouldn't play every game?
Those calling for him to be dropped every so often him/rotated/rested automatically mean you must be a Stevie G hater?
Is it so illogical to presume he can't play at such a high as often these days hence people can suggest he shouldn't play every game?
Who said drop him? Was it the Rafa/Chelsea fans?
Not being on the bench might have made it difficult for for Allen to come on.
Laughable to think of dropping him.
How many of the potential match winning passes were in front of the halfway?
And how many players other than him in our squad can do this?
How many of the potential match winning passes were in front of the halfway?
And how many players other than him in our squad can do this?
That's no excuse...
To be honest to not be playing very well and yet we seem to be determined enough at least to be top of the league.... I'll take that.
Personally I don't like Gerrard in a withdrawn position but that's what we are doing, Gerrard was all about being flash and in your face, he can certainly do a job further back but he inspires more by his actions up top.
Generally the balance in centre mid with Lucas doesn't look good enough but then we looked pretty shite all over against Swansea as well. I saw people raving about Mignolet as well but he spilled about three balls into dangerous areas in the last game... Leadership was thin on the ground all round in the last match, Sturridge was on a strop most of the game Gerrard was fighting fires and the rest of them were just not handling being pressed so hard...
Sakho shit!! deary me.... I thought he played well and looks pretty monstrous strength wise.
Overall carping so early on when in actuality we are undefeated is all a bit weird.
Oh and we will have the best player in the fucking league back in a couple of weeks.... cunt though he is...
Personally I don't like Gerrard in a withdrawn position but that's what we are doing, Gerrard was all about being flash and in your face, he can certainly do a job further back but he inspires more by his actions up top.
Generally the balance in centre mid with Lucas doesn't look good enough but then we looked pretty shite all over against Swansea as well. I saw people raving about Mignolet as well but he spilled about three balls into dangerous areas in the last game... Leadership was thin on the ground all round in the last match, Sturridge was on a strop most of the game Gerrard was fighting fires and the rest of them were just not handling being pressed so hard...
Sakho shit!! deary me.... I thought he played well and looks pretty monstrous strength wise.
Overall carping so early on when in actuality we are undefeated is all a bit weird.
Oh and we will have the best player in the fucking league back in a couple of weeks.... cunt though he is...
Hes 33 not 63 ffs!! Its not as if the rest of the team are full of spunk after about 55 minutes There is something up with our energy levels the whole team looks completely fucked in all the second halves. Who knows what the cause could be, harsh pre season, the way we play in the fist half, midweek training, or maybe the pre match meal, one things for sure this has been going on since last xmas at least.
That is true... It is pretty strange how flat we look energy wise later on in games, maybe the coaches have double loaded them early so that we peak long enough later in the season...
As for Stevie i don't think he has been shifted back so far due to tactics or to prolong his career, i think hes been shifted back because he can't cut it up top anymore... A pity... I would prefer 60 minutes of Stevie scaring the life out of defenders than 90 minutes a game watching him sitting breaking shit up and releasing others.
Yeah but that's the point, at times in games we don't need wonderpasses and assist-attempts. We need someone to control the tempo of the game. Which Gerrard doesn't do.
Gerrard is entering the John Barnes (circa 1993 to 1997) years of his LFC career, both genuine Liverpool Legends but no longer the explosive forces of nature they were in their pomp, yet with enough ability to adapt to a new role and still contribute well.
The test for me is how Rodgers reacts when Stevie has a run of mediocre games, under Roy you always felt Barnes could do no wrong and maybe had too much sway over the manager. It's a test that I'm confident Brendan will be up to as I think he's growing in stature all the time, particulary after the way he handled the Suarez situation.
The test for me is how Rodgers reacts when Stevie has a run of mediocre games, under Roy you always felt Barnes could do no wrong and maybe had too much sway over the manager. It's a test that I'm confident Brendan will be up to as I think he's growing in stature all the time, particulary after the way he handled the Suarez situation.
We don't have anyone who can control the tempo of the game. So replacing Gerrard with AN Other is futile really.
In still for moving Gerrard further forward to cover Coutinho's role in his absence & slotting Henderson or Allen in beside Lucas.
Didn't we finish last season playing Lucas & Henderson and do quite well?
Suarez can slot in on the right - if Sturridge is fit - even then the 2 can rotate position mid game if required. Sterling, Aspas or Ibe can offer cover from the bench. One of them can start against Southampton.
The only issue with Suarez on the right is cover for the RB as that's becoming a problem area.
Moses on the left.
That's enough to keep us ticking over.
Didn't we finish last season playing Lucas & Henderson and do quite well?
Suarez can slot in on the right - if Sturridge is fit - even then the 2 can rotate position mid game if required. Sterling, Aspas or Ibe can offer cover from the bench. One of them can start against Southampton.
The only issue with Suarez on the right is cover for the RB as that's becoming a problem area.
Moses on the left.
That's enough to keep us ticking over.
If I could make a 'marquee' signing in January, I'd spunk 30 million on Axel Witsel. Sublime footballer cum nasty cunt.
I'd pair him in Joe Allen in midfield, with Allen playing the holding role. That's the sort of central midfield I want - loads of guile, and a nasty, physical presence as well.
Gerrard and Coutinho can alternate for the third midfield spot. The idea of Gerrard's indispensability needs to go - it's stupid to try and build a team around him. The focus should be on increasing his longevity and maximising his productivity.
The best way to do that is to limit him to 30 games a season, on and off the bench. Always in the attacking midfield position. His three best qualities have always been - (i) incredible physical attributes; (ii) ability to play the killer pass; and (iii) finishing.
He's lost the first, but he could still do the latter two in his sleep. In a well-functioning attacking unit, Gerrard would contribute 10 goals and 10 assists even as a non-regular starter.
Instead we're using none of his best qualities, and highlighting his worst. Stop, start, look around and play a hollywood ball. It's a poor caricature of one of our greatest ever players out there.
Just because Giggs, Scholes and Barnes spent their twilight years playing in central midfield doesn't mean Gerrard needs to go the same way. They were very different players - for starters, more subtle players than Gerrard. Gerrard needs to be handled differently.
I'd pair him in Joe Allen in midfield, with Allen playing the holding role. That's the sort of central midfield I want - loads of guile, and a nasty, physical presence as well.
Gerrard and Coutinho can alternate for the third midfield spot. The idea of Gerrard's indispensability needs to go - it's stupid to try and build a team around him. The focus should be on increasing his longevity and maximising his productivity.
The best way to do that is to limit him to 30 games a season, on and off the bench. Always in the attacking midfield position. His three best qualities have always been - (i) incredible physical attributes; (ii) ability to play the killer pass; and (iii) finishing.
He's lost the first, but he could still do the latter two in his sleep. In a well-functioning attacking unit, Gerrard would contribute 10 goals and 10 assists even as a non-regular starter.
Instead we're using none of his best qualities, and highlighting his worst. Stop, start, look around and play a hollywood ball. It's a poor caricature of one of our greatest ever players out there.
Just because Giggs, Scholes and Barnes spent their twilight years playing in central midfield doesn't mean Gerrard needs to go the same way. They were very different players - for starters, more subtle players than Gerrard. Gerrard needs to be handled differently.
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