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being a rafa supporter still I want to know what it feels like to finally say 'enough is enough'. is it like a weight off the shoulders, 'YES! I no longer want rafa at the club and all is right with the world!!' do birds sing that much more louder, roses smell that much more sweeter, The Lying Rag shine that much brighter, or does nothing really change in your life, i.e. everything is EXACTLY the same with rafa is still in charge but you now hating his guts? I'm curious.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39678.msg1082912#msg1082912 date=1270549139]
Sorry mate, the train is already fucking packed.

You'll have to walk.
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but never alone 🙂
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39678.msg1082914#msg1082914 date=1270549196]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39678.msg1082912#msg1082912 date=1270549139]
Sorry mate, the train is already fucking packed.

You'll have to walk.
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but never alone 🙂
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Or you can ride on spider divvy's moped... if you can squeeze in behind Ryan.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39678.msg1082909#msg1082909 date=1270549000]
being a rafa supporter still I want to know what it feels like to finally say 'enough is enough'. is it like a weight off the shoulders, 'YES! I no longer want rafa at the club and all is right with the world!!' do birds sing that much more louder, roses smell that much more sweeter, The Lying Rag shine that much brighter, or does nothing really change in your life, i.e. everything is EXACTLY the same with rafa is still in charge but you now hating his guts? I'm curious.
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I do not want Rafa at this club. He has taken it as far as he can. He will NEVER be able to top the achievment from last season. He dont want any other type of players, and he dont want any other approach to games. his tacxtics has been wrong for all season, and he still brags about applying the same tactics that has let him down all season against Sunderland which we accidentally won!

The tought of who might take over scares me. I am not confident that the arseholes running this club is capable of hiring a manager capable to take us further from here. They might end up with a ONeill, which I cant stand, or a Klinsmann which I netiher can stand. They do not know at all what heritage they have in their hands. I a very very uncomfortable about the future. i just know that I don not want neither Rafa or the two clowns here.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39678.msg1082918#msg1082918 date=1270549376]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39678.msg1082914#msg1082914 date=1270549196]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39678.msg1082912#msg1082912 date=1270549139]
Sorry mate, the train is already fucking packed.

You'll have to walk.
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but never alone 🙂
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Or you can ride on spider divvy's moped... if you can squeeze in behind Ryan.


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well, you're obviously going to continue with 'spider-div' name you've so ingeniously created for me. well done ro-land, kudos for such a clever play on words. bra-vo.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39678.msg1082909#msg1082909 date=1270549000]
being a rafa supporter still I want to know what it feels like to finally say 'enough is enough'. is it like a weight off the shoulders, 'YES! I no longer want rafa at the club and all is right with the world!!' do birds sing that much more louder, roses smell that much more sweeter, The Lying Rag shine that much brighter, or does nothing really change in your life, i.e. everything is EXACTLY the same with rafa is still in charge but you now hating his guts? I'm curious.
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No. It´s more like...emptiness. It feels like all the strength disappears when you suddenly realize that having Benitez in charge is pointless.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39678.msg1082909#msg1082909 date=1270549000]
being a rafa supporter still I want to know what it feels like to finally say 'enough is enough'. is it like a weight off the shoulders, 'YES! I no longer want rafa at the club and all is right with the world!!' do birds sing that much more louder, roses smell that much more sweeter, The Lying Rag shine that much brighter, or does nothing really change in your life, i.e. everything is EXACTLY the same with rafa is still in charge but you now hating his guts? I'm curious.
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I want him out; but will be sad when he leaves.

He's a manager who tried his best but failed.

The only reason why I'll be bitter is because he could have done it had he better luck, and if he hadnt made so many stupid decisions.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39678.msg1082985#msg1082985 date=1270553612]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39678.msg1082909#msg1082909 date=1270549000]
being a rafa supporter still I want to know what it feels like to finally say 'enough is enough'. is it like a weight off the shoulders, 'YES! I no longer want rafa at the club and all is right with the world!!' do birds sing that much more louder, roses smell that much more sweeter, The Lying Rag shine that much brighter, or does nothing really change in your life, i.e. everything is EXACTLY the same with rafa is still in charge but you now hating his guts? I'm curious.
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I want him out; but will be sad when he leaves.

He's a manager who tried his best but failed.

The only reason why I'll be bitter is because he could have done it had he better luck, and if he hadnt made so many stupid decisions.
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Well, it is bad luck to make many stupid decisions... its a tough life out there!!!!
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=39678.msg1082816#msg1082816 date=1270539731]
...to join the "Rafa out" brigade. Where do I sign up?
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Maybe we should create a group in Facebook...
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39678.msg1082985#msg1082985 date=1270553612]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39678.msg1082909#msg1082909 date=1270549000]
being a rafa supporter still I want to know what it feels like to finally say 'enough is enough'. is it like a weight off the shoulders, 'YES! I no longer want rafa at the club and all is right with the world!!' do birds sing that much more louder, roses smell that much more sweeter, The Lying Rag shine that much brighter, or does nothing really change in your life, i.e. everything is EXACTLY the same with rafa is still in charge but you now hating his guts? I'm curious.
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I want him out; but will be sad when he leaves.

He's a manager who tried his best but failed.

The only reason why I'll be bitter is because he could have done it had he better luck, and if he hadnt made so many stupid decisions.
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Sort of feel the same. Hate does not come into it, I just think it is amazing he has been making the same mistakes for so long and no one has pulled him up on it. I really do think it was one of the reasons behind Paco going

regards
 
Managers need to be ruthless, but I think they still need to recognise the different characteristics of players and use different methods to coax the best from them. I think Rafa's big downfall is his stubborn nature which sees him refuse to compromise his ideals regarding the game and his relationship to those around him. His marking system, over-caution regarding fitness and buying for buying sakes seem to be his biggest downfalls, together with a ludicrous tendency to not see the wood for the trees, despite being capable of tactical masterstrokes on occasion.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39678.msg1082912#msg1082912 date=1270549139]
Sorry mate, the train is already fucking packed.

You'll have to walk.
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Twas a bike when I wanted him out 2 years ago saying he'd never win the league with us.

Good riddance.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39678.msg1083018#msg1083018 date=1270556966]
Ahem!

I came up with 'spiderdiv', spider, you div.
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cheers for that bren
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39678.msg1083041#msg1083041 date=1270559001]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39678.msg1082912#msg1082912 date=1270549139]
Sorry mate, the train is already fucking packed.

You'll have to walk.
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Twas a bike when I wanted him out 2 years ago saying he'd never win the league with us.

Good riddance.
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Brave call. Most managers dont win the league!!!
 
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=39678.msg1083049#msg1083049 date=1270559465]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39678.msg1083041#msg1083041 date=1270559001]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39678.msg1082912#msg1082912 date=1270549139]
Sorry mate, the train is already fucking packed.

You'll have to walk.
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Twas a bike when I wanted him out 2 years ago saying he'd never win the league with us.

Good riddance.
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Brave call. Most managers dont win the league!!!
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Every maager brought in at the top 4 clubs is done so to win the league first and foremost.

And Rafa is still repeating the same mistakes he was making 2/3/4/5 years ago.

Some could see he would never change, some have only just caught on.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39678.msg1083081#msg1083081 date=1270562495]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=39678.msg1083049#msg1083049 date=1270559465]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39678.msg1083041#msg1083041 date=1270559001]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39678.msg1082912#msg1082912 date=1270549139]
Sorry mate, the train is already fucking packed.

You'll have to walk.
[/quote]

Twas a bike when I wanted him out 2 years ago saying he'd never win the league with us.

Good riddance.
[/quote]

Brave call. Most managers dont win the league!!!
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Every maager brought in at the top 4 clubs is done so to win the league first and foremost.

And Rafa is still repeating the same mistakes he was making 2/3/4/5 years ago.

Some could see he would never change, some have only just caught on.
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I really fucking hate you.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39678.msg1083018#msg1083018 date=1270556966]
Ahem!

I came up with 'spiderdiv', spider, you div.
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.....and there was me thinking i was being creative.

How about Spider Cretin?
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39678.msg1083087#msg1083087 date=1270564250]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39678.msg1083018#msg1083018 date=1270556966]
Ahem!

I came up with 'spiderdiv', spider, you div.
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.....and there was me thinking i was being creative.

How about Spider Cretin?




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how about no names at all seeing as I don't call you and names but that would be too mature wouldn't it?
 
I just joined the Rafa out brigade and it made me really sad. He's done a lot for the club, including put us back in Europe's elite, which we might need to remember, we had fallen from. But, alas, he's not the man to take us all the way mainly because he just is too cautious, and too clever. When he throws off the shackles, it's a different ballgame...

I'm not happier, in fact, I'm sader, because I remember the days of Rafatollah.

Breaking up is hard to do!
 
His rotating door of players policy is high up on the lists to want him gone. How can fans be expected to give players benefit of the doubt when Rafa continuously bins out players in a year or less.
 
In fairness, I prefer Rafa's binning of players to Houllier's stubborn refusal to acknowledge his errors...
 
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