Hodgson Plan B
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Don't you hate stubborn managers?
Stupid formation for him to play, but at the same time, the fact is that there are no changes we could have made that would have made a massive difference, because we don't have enough quality players on the pitch, let alone on the bench.
It was infuriating. At the very least, he should have been sharing the workload between the players. We have a thin enough squad as it is.
Single was absolutely right about the Torres/N'gog partnership as well. It was so painfully obvious, even before the game started. I was encouraged by the first couple of games under Roy but the last couple have been depressingly familiar.
Strange line-ups, unwillingness to make substitutions. Why not bring Patches on sooner if youre going to play him at all? Just a waste of time and effort from start to finish.
Single was absolutely right about the Torres/N'gog partnership as well. It was so painfully obvious, even before the game started. I was encouraged by the first couple of games under Roy but the last couple have been depressingly familiar.
Strange line-ups, unwillingness to make substitutions. Why not bring Patches on sooner if youre going to play him at all? Just a waste of time and effort from start to finish.
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Stupid formation for him to play, but at the same time, the fact is that there are no changes we could have made that would have made a massive difference, because we don't have enough quality players on the pitch, let alone on the bench.
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I agree. However, being substituted signals to a player that they have not been good enough, and with a squad as thin as ours, we should be sharing the workload wherever possible.
Stupid formation for him to play, but at the same time, the fact is that there are no changes we could have made that would have made a massive difference, because we don't have enough quality players on the pitch, let alone on the bench.
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I agree. However, being substituted signals to a player that they have not been good enough, and with a squad as thin as ours, we should be sharing the workload wherever possible.
He went for it tonight and deserves some respect. He could have done the usual twat Benitez move and dropped his in form striker - Ngog - but then he would have killed his confidence.
If he didn't play Torres, he would've got trounced also.
Lose lose.
Respect to Roy for trying. Poulsen probably isn't ready.
If he didn't play Torres, he would've got trounced also.
Lose lose.
Respect to Roy for trying. Poulsen probably isn't ready.
I never really expected miracles from Hodgson. All I want is (i) organisation; (ii) a stand againgst utter shit like Lucas and N'Gog; (iii) flexibility to change line-ups when not working; and (iv) the balls to throw in youngsters like Shelvey and Pacheco at the deep end.
Our squad's not going to be overhauled and really we appointed Hodgson to get the best out of what we have. He didn't do very well on counts (ii), (iii), and (iv) today. He'd better buck up.
Our squad's not going to be overhauled and really we appointed Hodgson to get the best out of what we have. He didn't do very well on counts (ii), (iii), and (iv) today. He'd better buck up.
Hodgson fucked up right from the start playing 2 out and out strikers up front, leaving us over-run in midfield.
Adventurous no, more like fucking amateurish.
From that point on he was like a rabbit caught in the headlights, frozen as the carcrash that was our performance transpired.
Just listened to his after match interview and he answered each question like the Fulham manager.
Adventurous no, more like fucking amateurish.
From that point on he was like a rabbit caught in the headlights, frozen as the carcrash that was our performance transpired.
Just listened to his after match interview and he answered each question like the Fulham manager.
always amazes me when a manager gives up on a game with 20 mins to go. 3-0 you have nothing to lose, make changes, he could have, for example, brought on babel, maxi and aurelio all at the same time (for skrtel, n'gog and jove) and gone for their thoats, if we conceed another goal on the counter we're already losing the game. that's the difference between cautious managers and someone like fergie, fergie isn't afraid to gamble to get something from the game.
oh well, we knew roy was a 'safe' manager rather than attacking manager.
oh well, we knew roy was a 'safe' manager rather than attacking manager.
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Incredible how people can come down on Hodgson.
Blame that cunt Masha for fucking up tonight's formation and result.
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Torres and N'gog should never be seen on the field together. Especially not away from home against a rejuvenated Citeh. The starting line-up, and formation, was a mistake. And a glaringly obvious one at that.
Incredible how people can come down on Hodgson.
Blame that cunt Masha for fucking up tonight's formation and result.
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Torres and N'gog should never be seen on the field together. Especially not away from home against a rejuvenated Citeh. The starting line-up, and formation, was a mistake. And a glaringly obvious one at that.
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=41555.msg1160362#msg1160362 date=1282598569]
Incredible how people can come down on Hodgson.
Blame that cunt Masha for fucking up tonight's formation and result.
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It would have been Mascherano for Lucas with the same formation.
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And as you know, Masha is an integral part of our system.
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=41555.msg1160362#msg1160362 date=1282598569]
Incredible how people can come down on Hodgson.
Blame that cunt Masha for fucking up tonight's formation and result.
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It would have been Mascherano for Lucas with the same formation.
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And as you know, Masha is an integral part of our system.
[quote author=Khalido link=topic=41555.msg1160367#msg1160367 date=1282598712]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=41555.msg1160362#msg1160362 date=1282598569]
Incredible how people can come down on Hodgson.
Blame that cunt Masha for fucking up tonight's formation and result.
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It would have been Mascherano for Lucas with the same formation.
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Fuck Mascherano, but he's not to blame. Hodgson has already replaced him Poulsen so fucking play him then. He played the entire Trabzon game so don't give me the "he's not fit" excuse.
Worst case scenario:
Poulsen Lucas
Kuyt Gerrard Jovanovic
Torres
We would have never lost 3-0.
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=41555.msg1160362#msg1160362 date=1282598569]
Incredible how people can come down on Hodgson.
Blame that cunt Masha for fucking up tonight's formation and result.
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It would have been Mascherano for Lucas with the same formation.
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Fuck Mascherano, but he's not to blame. Hodgson has already replaced him Poulsen so fucking play him then. He played the entire Trabzon game so don't give me the "he's not fit" excuse.
Worst case scenario:
Poulsen Lucas
Kuyt Gerrard Jovanovic
Torres
We would have never lost 3-0.
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=41555.msg1160362#msg1160362 date=1282598569]
Incredible how people can come down on Hodgson.
Blame that cunt Masha for fucking up tonight's formation and result.
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Above is correct very correct and you can add the yanks to that as well.
Incredible how people can come down on Hodgson.
Blame that cunt Masha for fucking up tonight's formation and result.
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Above is correct very correct and you can add the yanks to that as well.
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always amazes me when a manager gives up on a game with 20 mins to go. 3-0 you have nothing to lose, make changes, he could have, for example, brought on babel, maxi and aurelio all at the same time (for skrtel, n'gog and jove) and gone for their thoats, if we conceed another goal on the counter we're already losing the game. that's the difference between cautious managers and someone like fergie, fergie isn't afraid to gamble to get something from the game.
oh well, we knew roy was a 'safe' manager rather than attacking manager.
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Why would it amaze you? We've been doing this for years
always amazes me when a manager gives up on a game with 20 mins to go. 3-0 you have nothing to lose, make changes, he could have, for example, brought on babel, maxi and aurelio all at the same time (for skrtel, n'gog and jove) and gone for their thoats, if we conceed another goal on the counter we're already losing the game. that's the difference between cautious managers and someone like fergie, fergie isn't afraid to gamble to get something from the game.
oh well, we knew roy was a 'safe' manager rather than attacking manager.
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Why would it amaze you? We've been doing this for years
[quote author=Khalido link=topic=41555.msg1160367#msg1160367 date=1282598712]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=41555.msg1160362#msg1160362 date=1282598569]
Incredible how people can come down on Hodgson.
Blame that cunt Masha for fucking up tonight's formation and result.
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It would have been Mascherano for Lucas with the same formation.
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According to Redshrek thats not true.
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=41555.msg1160362#msg1160362 date=1282598569]
Incredible how people can come down on Hodgson.
Blame that cunt Masha for fucking up tonight's formation and result.
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It would have been Mascherano for Lucas with the same formation.
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According to Redshrek thats not true.
How can you blame Hodgson for this. He's playing with Rafa's shite players. Nothing worth while bringing off the bench. It wouldn't have made a difference. City were better than us, are better than us, and are going to keep getting even better than us until the club is taken over.
[quote author=Bazza The Kopite link=topic=41555.msg1160387#msg1160387 date=1282599317]
How can you blame Hodgson for this. He's playing with Rafa's shite players. Nothing worth while bringing off the bench. It wouldn't have made a difference. City were better than us, are better than us, and are going to keep getting even better than us until the club is taken over.
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Yeah they really showed how good they were against Tottenham.
How can you blame Hodgson for this. He's playing with Rafa's shite players. Nothing worth while bringing off the bench. It wouldn't have made a difference. City were better than us, are better than us, and are going to keep getting even better than us until the club is taken over.
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Yeah they really showed how good they were against Tottenham.
Whilst many of the players were shite, Roy has to wear some of the responsibility for this, notably for the fact that despite getting spanked all game long, he waited until fucking god knows when to sub Torres for Babel, and then brought off Jovanovic for Pacheco with only 5 minutes left.
Agger was getting raped, and could have been replaced by Aurelio.
Lucas was dire, and should have been replaced by Poulsen, or something.
Ngog and Torres was never gonna work, Torres needs the space to work in, and as we saw the other day having another striker on the pitch just limits his impact.
Jovanovic and Kuyt playing the wings in a 442 lacked any guile or creativity, and without somebody with a bit more inventiveness, there was never gonna be much in the way of threat.
Probably the best option would have been having Maxi in the mix somewhere, perhaps playing in the hole, maybe with Babel on the right wing to inject a bit of pace and see if he could build a bit of form.
I dunno, there were options, Roy just chose not to take 'em is all.
I'm not writing him off, but hopefully tonight was a lesson learned
Agger was getting raped, and could have been replaced by Aurelio.
Lucas was dire, and should have been replaced by Poulsen, or something.
Ngog and Torres was never gonna work, Torres needs the space to work in, and as we saw the other day having another striker on the pitch just limits his impact.
Jovanovic and Kuyt playing the wings in a 442 lacked any guile or creativity, and without somebody with a bit more inventiveness, there was never gonna be much in the way of threat.
Probably the best option would have been having Maxi in the mix somewhere, perhaps playing in the hole, maybe with Babel on the right wing to inject a bit of pace and see if he could build a bit of form.
I dunno, there were options, Roy just chose not to take 'em is all.
I'm not writing him off, but hopefully tonight was a lesson learned
Totally agree, single. Although if I was going to play a 4-4-2, I would've gone for Kuyt up with Torres and Maxi on the right.
We should probably have stuck with a 4-2-3-1 though, given that we were away from home against one of the top sides in the league.
We should probably have stuck with a 4-2-3-1 though, given that we were away from home against one of the top sides in the league.
Roy has commented that he is still learning about his players. Tonight I HOPE he realised the following:
1) Torres ioperates best on his OWN up top. Even Spain play David Villa on the left side with Nando.
2) Lucas is not a 1st team player except for a Championship side.
3) Kuyt on the right in a 4-4-2 is completely in-effective as he rarely gets into the box, which as he can't run with the ball or cross makes his contribution zero.
4) We still need a left-back AND a quality striker while Torres is getting back his fitness/form.
1) Torres ioperates best on his OWN up top. Even Spain play David Villa on the left side with Nando.
2) Lucas is not a 1st team player except for a Championship side.
3) Kuyt on the right in a 4-4-2 is completely in-effective as he rarely gets into the box, which as he can't run with the ball or cross makes his contribution zero.
4) We still need a left-back AND a quality striker while Torres is getting back his fitness/form.
This is what happens when one team spends 300 million in 2 years while the other team spends 3 million.
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[quote author=Bazza The Kopite link=topic=41555.msg1160387#msg1160387 date=1282599317]
How can you blame Hodgson for this. He's playing with Rafa's shite players. Nothing worth while bringing off the bench. It wouldn't have made a difference. City were better than us, are better than us, and are going to keep getting even better than us until the club is taken over.
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Yeah they really showed how good they were against Tottenham.
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You're not making much sense there to be honest. They weren't great against Spurs, yet still came away from a top 4 side without losing. Then beat an oold top 4 side pretty comfortable at home.
[quote author=Bazza The Kopite link=topic=41555.msg1160387#msg1160387 date=1282599317]
How can you blame Hodgson for this. He's playing with Rafa's shite players. Nothing worth while bringing off the bench. It wouldn't have made a difference. City were better than us, are better than us, and are going to keep getting even better than us until the club is taken over.
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Yeah they really showed how good they were against Tottenham.
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You're not making much sense there to be honest. They weren't great against Spurs, yet still came away from a top 4 side without losing. Then beat an oold top 4 side pretty comfortable at home.
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[quote author=Modokay link=topic=41555.msg1160392#msg1160392 date=1282599620]
[quote author=Bazza The Kopite link=topic=41555.msg1160387#msg1160387 date=1282599317]
How can you blame Hodgson for this. He's playing with Rafa's shite players. Nothing worth while bringing off the bench. It wouldn't have made a difference. City were better than us, are better than us, and are going to keep getting even better than us until the club is taken over.
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Yeah they really showed how good they were against Tottenham.
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You're not making much sense there to be honest. They weren't great against Spurs, yet still came away from a top 4 side without losing. Then beat an oold top 4 side pretty comfortable at home.
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They very and I mean very lucky not to loose. Tottenham were dominant and missed several sitters.
As some "expert" on MOTD said they looked like stranger, the Man C players that is.
I think we made them look better than they are.
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=41555.msg1160392#msg1160392 date=1282599620]
[quote author=Bazza The Kopite link=topic=41555.msg1160387#msg1160387 date=1282599317]
How can you blame Hodgson for this. He's playing with Rafa's shite players. Nothing worth while bringing off the bench. It wouldn't have made a difference. City were better than us, are better than us, and are going to keep getting even better than us until the club is taken over.
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Yeah they really showed how good they were against Tottenham.
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You're not making much sense there to be honest. They weren't great against Spurs, yet still came away from a top 4 side without losing. Then beat an oold top 4 side pretty comfortable at home.
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They very and I mean very lucky not to loose. Tottenham were dominant and missed several sitters.
As some "expert" on MOTD said they looked like stranger, the Man C players that is.
I think we made them look better than they are.
We are 17th in the league. Lets hope after playing Chelsea and Man U we are not in the relegation zone. Woe is me.
I don't think Rafa did that bad to be honest, i don't see what else he culd do with a minimal squad, our lack of pace, or Lucas.
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