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Foxy - I answer to your 'why don't I want Higuain' question...
I wouldn't dislike having him here. He's good, no question. I'd just prefer someone else.
My issue with Higuain is, and this is gonna come across like Oncy's "all he does is pass" chat, is that he's just too one-dimensional. All he does is score goals. There I said it. He reminds me of Andy Cole. Or Trezeguet. Super finisher, really fucking top class, out of nowhere finisher. Bang, goal.
But in what I've seen to him, there's not much else to his game. In fact in all the times I've watched him, he's looked largely unimpressive, and then you actualy notice he's still on the pitch. It's like he's on the periphery of the game for large parts of it, and he doesn't even seem bothered about it, so long as he can get a half-chance that he might bury.
All that is fine cos he scores a truckload, but I don't think football lends itself these days to someone who just stands up there waiting for a chance to come his way, and I certainly don't think Rodgers' Liverpool plays that way. You need more strings to your bow than hanging on the last shoulder of the defender. It's why he didn't really work at Madrid - I realise he scored n all - but he was never central to them, and to be a top side you need goals from everywhere, not just one dude.
Anyway, good goalscorer, talented player, but what'd he cost, 30M?? Spend that on a better all-round player.
I wouldn't dislike having him here. He's good, no question. I'd just prefer someone else.
My issue with Higuain is, and this is gonna come across like Oncy's "all he does is pass" chat, is that he's just too one-dimensional. All he does is score goals. There I said it. He reminds me of Andy Cole. Or Trezeguet. Super finisher, really fucking top class, out of nowhere finisher. Bang, goal.
But in what I've seen to him, there's not much else to his game. In fact in all the times I've watched him, he's looked largely unimpressive, and then you actualy notice he's still on the pitch. It's like he's on the periphery of the game for large parts of it, and he doesn't even seem bothered about it, so long as he can get a half-chance that he might bury.
All that is fine cos he scores a truckload, but I don't think football lends itself these days to someone who just stands up there waiting for a chance to come his way, and I certainly don't think Rodgers' Liverpool plays that way. You need more strings to your bow than hanging on the last shoulder of the defender. It's why he didn't really work at Madrid - I realise he scored n all - but he was never central to them, and to be a top side you need goals from everywhere, not just one dude.
Anyway, good goalscorer, talented player, but what'd he cost, 30M?? Spend that on a better all-round player.
Not convinced he's what we need.
I think we're probably better off settling on a lone striker model, with Sturridge as first choice. By all means get someone in to compete with him, ideally a versatile player who can also do a job a bit wider. Maybe someone like Remy, and then if it's needed also get a top class wide forward too - my preference would be Draxler.
I think we're probably better off settling on a lone striker model, with Sturridge as first choice. By all means get someone in to compete with him, ideally a versatile player who can also do a job a bit wider. Maybe someone like Remy, and then if it's needed also get a top class wide forward too - my preference would be Draxler.
Whats his likely price tag?
While on the topic of strikers - if we don't get anyone in, I hope we'll give Jack Dunn a chance in some pre-season and domestic cup games to show what he can offer.
He doesn't often pass up shot opportunities, is technically sound, of good solid build, hardworking and has played in all sorts of midfield and forward positions for the U18s and U21s. Shows leadership qualities, has a powerful left peg, and he's got a striker's mentality - give him daylight and he'll put his left foot through the ball and test the keeper.
If we're not able to accommodate him in the team, at least send him on loan but keep him on contract, though it appears that his contract might have run out (according to transfermarkt - not sure how accurate that info is).
He doesn't often pass up shot opportunities, is technically sound, of good solid build, hardworking and has played in all sorts of midfield and forward positions for the U18s and U21s. Shows leadership qualities, has a powerful left peg, and he's got a striker's mentality - give him daylight and he'll put his left foot through the ball and test the keeper.
If we're not able to accommodate him in the team, at least send him on loan but keep him on contract, though it appears that his contract might have run out (according to transfermarkt - not sure how accurate that info is).
He will be to us like Soldado is for spurs.
I don't rate him in the same sense as neither do Madrid..
If they thought he was 'great' they wouldn't of got shut off him.. He has had a poor season at Napoli
Jackson Martinez please..
I don't rate him in the same sense as neither do Madrid..
If they thought he was 'great' they wouldn't of got shut off him.. He has had a poor season at Napoli
Jackson Martinez please..
He'd be great. He may be south american which is usually a worry for me due to their obsession with the Spanish giants, but he's done the whole Madrid thing so at least that's out the way.
A proven goalscorer - and with the likes of Sterling, Lallana, Coutinho, Markovic, Gerrard etc behind him, he'd be incredible.
With players in the side that can score out of nothing, you can play like shit for 90 minutes and still walk away with the 3 points.
A proven goalscorer - and with the likes of Sterling, Lallana, Coutinho, Markovic, Gerrard etc behind him, he'd be incredible.
With players in the side that can score out of nothing, you can play like shit for 90 minutes and still walk away with the 3 points.
He's a very good player and I don't think quite as one dimensional as is being made out - he's no Huntelaar for example.
The main issue is that I see a similar power struggle for the #9 spot as he had with Benzema at Real. Sturridge doesn't want to play out wide and I don't really think the team as a whole would work as well with two out and out centre forwards up top no matter how much Sturridge likes to drift.
Maybe there is a separate debate there in concerning our team setup as a whole. Was our style of play and setup based largely on Suarez and is now the time to rethink it?
The main issue is that I see a similar power struggle for the #9 spot as he had with Benzema at Real. Sturridge doesn't want to play out wide and I don't really think the team as a whole would work as well with two out and out centre forwards up top no matter how much Sturridge likes to drift.
Maybe there is a separate debate there in concerning our team setup as a whole. Was our style of play and setup based largely on Suarez and is now the time to rethink it?
If 24 goals in 44 games for Napoli is a poor season then I'd love him to come here and have a "good" season.
As Keni said, I think the one dimensional description is a bit off. 84 assists also says something about the creative side to his style of play.
He does however have that knack of disapearing in games and he's not the one you look to when you're trying to take control and dominate a game.
But, he's a nautural goalscorer though. He'll score goals anywhere and he's nothing like Soldado.
He cost Napoli 40 mill euros. Unless we're sending Lucas, Reina or Agger in some part exchange + money, then this will be to expencive.
I'm all for some versatile attacker that can play in multiple positions but with Markovic coming in aswell we're starting to look quite decent in that area.
FWIW I think signing someone like Remy for 7-10 mill would be a much better value for money for us.
Scores goals and can play anywhere across the attack.
We dont need to replace all of Suarez 31 goals. If you take them out of our total we still scored more goals than Arsenal and nearly the same amount as Chelsea. If Remy/Lambert ships in with 15ish goals we're alright imho.
Spending some serious money on full backs and getting our defence sorted is a much higher priority if we want to win the league.
As Keni said, I think the one dimensional description is a bit off. 84 assists also says something about the creative side to his style of play.
He does however have that knack of disapearing in games and he's not the one you look to when you're trying to take control and dominate a game.
But, he's a nautural goalscorer though. He'll score goals anywhere and he's nothing like Soldado.
He cost Napoli 40 mill euros. Unless we're sending Lucas, Reina or Agger in some part exchange + money, then this will be to expencive.
I'm all for some versatile attacker that can play in multiple positions but with Markovic coming in aswell we're starting to look quite decent in that area.
FWIW I think signing someone like Remy for 7-10 mill would be a much better value for money for us.
Scores goals and can play anywhere across the attack.
We dont need to replace all of Suarez 31 goals. If you take them out of our total we still scored more goals than Arsenal and nearly the same amount as Chelsea. If Remy/Lambert ships in with 15ish goals we're alright imho.
Spending some serious money on full backs and getting our defence sorted is a much higher priority if we want to win the league.
OK, on the issue of him being one dimensional, I'll play Devils advocate (cos I personally think Rodgers style suits hard working players with a layer of talent on top, either through someone who can do both, or mixing workers with a couple of players with talent) let me posit the suggestion that Rodgers may want that out & out goalscorer.
The style of play next season will be quite different imo. I can't see us trying to simply destroy teams in the first half hour then see what happens whilst operating in some kind of weird limbo, letting the opposition have the ball knowing we could capitalise on a mistake to really put them out of the game.
It's a risky tactic & will rarely get you results with someone like suarez to effectively make defenders minds turn to shite & run round like headless chickens.
I suspect that he'll have it in mind to play with one up top a lot more & play a lot more of the possession football he had us playing after he first came.
If that's the case, having a striker who can sit on the shoulder of defenders waiting for a pass or a cross/long ball will afford us more space & allow us to utilise the pace we have in attack without having to have a mad little fucker breaking up any lines the opposition defence thought they might have.
Like I said, I don't particularly agree with this, I'm just playing with ideas about why Rodgers might see this as a possible solution.
The style of play next season will be quite different imo. I can't see us trying to simply destroy teams in the first half hour then see what happens whilst operating in some kind of weird limbo, letting the opposition have the ball knowing we could capitalise on a mistake to really put them out of the game.
It's a risky tactic & will rarely get you results with someone like suarez to effectively make defenders minds turn to shite & run round like headless chickens.
I suspect that he'll have it in mind to play with one up top a lot more & play a lot more of the possession football he had us playing after he first came.
If that's the case, having a striker who can sit on the shoulder of defenders waiting for a pass or a cross/long ball will afford us more space & allow us to utilise the pace we have in attack without having to have a mad little fucker breaking up any lines the opposition defence thought they might have.
Like I said, I don't particularly agree with this, I'm just playing with ideas about why Rodgers might see this as a possible solution.
I think someone who possesses that main attribute of being a goalscorer rather than it being part of an all round game is something we are missing. Maybe that is what Rodgers is trying to do with Lambert (or just have better alternatives when/if Studge gets injured) but I would love to see us get a proven goalscorer [/cliche] to complement the wealth of creative talent we are adding to the team.
It's Real Madrid we are on about here. The same club that left Robben and Sneijder leave. Same club who might potentially leave Di Mario go soon.
You are being harsh on Higuain Jono. Madrid never saw him as a true Galactico. Higuain kept his head down and scored when called upon. I haven't seen him in a few years but I was one of his biggest fans back in the day. I'm on the fence at the mo. As exciting as it sounds to get an ace goalscorer, I've my heart set on a Marco Reus type transfer.
Id rather sign Tevez. It will be hard to convince him to move back to England....but he is a hard working skillful fucker who will definitely do a decent job of replacing Suarez.
This could be happening. . Michu being touted as his replacement...
Does this thread prove that it is hard to generate interest and discussion of a potential transfer target without having press speculation to motivate us to post? It's been up since Monday and has 20 odd posts.
Surprised there isn't more discussion about Higuain but then again we have exhausted as much as we can. His stats, his style of play and whether he would suit us. Perhaps we are waiting for some journo's to pick up on it and get the ball rolling on this thread.
Not stirring, just surprised at the level of interest.
Surprised there isn't more discussion about Higuain but then again we have exhausted as much as we can. His stats, his style of play and whether he would suit us. Perhaps we are waiting for some journo's to pick up on it and get the ball rolling on this thread.
Not stirring, just surprised at the level of interest.
I don't fully understand some of the comments e.g. Panic Buy etc. We need a player to score goals. We have players offering everything else we need creatively/ possession retaining etc. I think he is exactly the calibre of signing we should be after and would love to see him here.
Maybe I'm looking too hard for an for an idyllic situation, but I'd like to see whoever we bring in to replace Suarez be able to play with Sturridge. Suarez was so adaptable and frankly brilliant that he could still operate whilst Sturridge was the main striker and that was the beauty of Sanchez, he could play out wide whilst Sturridge was upfront, he could step in for Sturridge when he's out. Higuain however, i'm not so sure he could, Sturridge would have to be pushed out wide to accommodate him. In our system Higuain would have one position, and unless we play out diamond more often, either he or Sturridge would be severely hampered. That's my main concern.
Yip. It's a tricky situation. If we signed someone like Higuain, we'd have to play him. My gut feel says Rodgers wants to go to a more balanced 4-3-3. So the trick then would be to find a striker who is A) good enough to lead the line if Sturridge is out for 2 months and B) willing to spend a lot of time on the bench.
Is a player like that out there? Not sure.
Maybe this is the main reason for the lack of excitement? I know it is for me. It seems to create as many problems as it solves.
Lambert. But he isn't the same type of player as Sturridge so our system would need to change to accommodate him. Ridgers obviously thinks that can be done otherwise he wouldn't have bought him.
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