He who shall not be named

[Rosco]

Making an enquiry never makes sense to me either.

How do you do it?

Can we ask you if we can ask if you'll sell a player to us?

It's like one of the two most pointless questions ever asked 'can I ask you a question?'

The other one, btw, is 'are you awake?'

If you make a bid and it's accepted you've got a contract, which can be enforced. But if you don't have the money to back up that bid you're fucked.

If you make an enquiry to see what the parameters of a deal might be - you haven't put yourself under any obligation. Which suits if you need player x to be sold before you buy player y.

 

[Frogfish]

If you make a bid and it's accepted you've got a contract, which can be enforced. But if you don't have the money to back up that bid you're fucked.

That doesn't make any sense at all because surely all bids and acceptances are a) Subject to Contract and b) Subject to agreeing terms with the player and agent .. and therefore not enforceable.

 

[Judge Jules]

Sorry, Ross is right. Once both parties have agreed that each will do something for the other (in this case "You sell us player X and we'll pay you £Y"), that's not "subject to contract" - it *is* the contract. It's up to each of them to have got the terms clear before they reach agreement.

 

[dee]

Dudek / Kirkland

 

[StevieM]

He mentioned it again in his Villa pre-match press conference, so I doubt we're signing someone for that attacking central midfield posish.

It's my belief this is why we aren't in for him.

I reckon Spurs will be in for him shortly.

 

[Frogfish]

Sorry, Ross is right. Once both parties have agreed that each will do something for the other (in this case "You sell us player X and we'll pay you £Y"), that's not "subject to contract" - it *is* the contract. It's up to each of them to have got the terms clear before they reach agreement.

I don't think that is the case at all. Surely a verbal agreement, on which many millions will change hands, is not binding ? There is of course clear precedent because we often hear of more than one team meeting the asking price of a player and it is then down to the player to choose his destination .. and of course a player can completely refuse a transfer. There are at least 3 parties to each transfer and all must be in agreement.

 

[Judge Jules]

It's not a matter of opinion, Froggy, I'm afraid. The existence of a contract depends on certain elements being present in the situation. If those elements are present the contract exists, whether merely oral or written down. An oral contract is fully binding if its existence can be proved. Clubs letting each other know that such-and-such a player would be available at X price is a very different matter which doesn't commit anyone to anything. There's no way they're going to reach full agreement on the sale before the player himself has been squared away - if the selling club were daft enough to do so and the player refused to leave, they'd be liable to the other club for breach of contract.

 

[Frogfish]

However, you often hear that the clubs have agreed a price and then the buying club given permission to talk to the player (why would the selling club agree otherwise, if no agreement on price was forthcoming they wouldn't want their player unsettled further and in pointless discussions, so the price must have been agreed beforehand) and you do occasionally hear of the club then not agreeing to meet the player's (agent's) demands. Anyway even if it sounds illogical it seems I'm wrong here so that's my lesson of the day !

 

[cloggypop]

How come Willian is not at Spurs then?

 

[Mors]

If you make a bid and it's accepted you've got a contract, which can be enforced. But if you don't have the money to back up that bid you're fucked.

If you make an enquiry to see what the parameters of a deal might be - you haven't put yourself under any obligation. Which suits if you need player x to be sold before you buy player y.

So if you make a bid for a player for 5mill, what then stops the player asking for 200k a week? If you've already to committed to the bid and you can't get out of it? Surely they'd just take the piss?

 

[Fabio]

That's a contract with the club, not the player. You discuss terms with the player after he bid is accepter

 

[Rosco]

So if you make a bid for a player for 5mill, what then stops the player asking for 200k a week? If you've already to committed to the bid and you can't get out of it? Surely they'd just take the piss?

Deals are always contingent on the player agreeing terms.

The point I'm making is you can't commit to bidding for players unless you can carry through the deal.

You can make enquiries about everybody without a penny in the bank.

 

[StevieM]

How come Willian is not at Spurs then?

Because there's a difference between a journalist saying a deal has been done and a deal actually being done.

 

[red_maradona]

If you make a bid and it's accepted you've got a contract, which can be enforced. But if you don't have the money to back up that bid you're fucked.

If you make an enquiry to see what the parameters of a deal might be - you haven't put yourself under any obligation. Which suits if you need player x to be sold before you buy player y.

You don't have the contact until it is signed by all - a bid is always subject to terms and conditions.

 

[Leo]

If it's accepted or rejected are the only conditions.

 

[red_maradona]

If it's accepted or rejected are the only conditions.

personal terms, medical, compensation from leaving club, compensation to previous clubs, agent fees, the list is endless. A starts the process, does not finish it.

 

[Leo]

personal terms, medical, compensation from leaving club, compensation to previous clubs, agent fees, the list is endless. A starts the process, does not finish it.

If a bid is accepted then a contract is offered.
I mean how hard is it to understand?

 

[Der Alte]

I think this is one of the most retarded discussions ever.

 

[the_khl]

Haha...

 

[Leo]

I think this is one of the most retarded discussions ever.

Yep.
I've already dragged me fingernail across me helmet.

 

[KopRed]

He is not the one we need. We need a midfield enforcer more than a silky beancurd of a midfielder if we are to challenge the big boys.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well we're fucked then because Rodgers doesn't even consider it a position that needs addressing.

 

[red_maradona]

If a bid is accepted then a contract is offered.
I mean how hard is it to understand?

club x bids for player y who belongs to club z.
club z accept
club x and player y discuss personal terms
player y says no thanks
result = no contract.

p.s less of the childish condescending tone.

 

[Leo]

club x bids for player y who belongs to club z.
club z accept
club x and player y discuss personal terms
player y says no thanks
result = no contract.

p.s less of the childish condescending tone.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[red_maradona]

If you make a bid and it's accepted you've got a contract,

 

[Leo]

Is that as far as you read?
I'm giving up now as I'm flagging a spastic horse.

 

[red_maradona]

Is that as far as you read?
I'm giving up now as I'm flagging a spastic horse.

That was the comment by Rosco, to which I disagreed and posted a response to.

You then came in and disagreed.

I provided a bit more thought on my views on this specific point, which I still stand by, especially as Rosco said he can be enforced purely if a bid is made.

You end up in cap rage, coming across as patronizing and finally insulting me. I wonder who is coming across as unreasonable?

Act like an adult, and accept we can agree to disagree.

 

[Leo]

Fuck off Grandad.

 

[red_maradona]

Fuck off Grandad.

The ball, not the man.

 

[Leo]

It was a joke but seriously fuck off now.