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[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48180.msg1459268#msg1459268 date=1325977617]
Or ask any scousers out there, do any of you give a shit how your club is viewed from outside? or your city is viewed by the rest of us.
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Well I can answer from one point of view of course Asim and the answer is no, not really. And I'll explain why. Liverpool, as a city, has generally always felt somewhat disconnected from the rest of the country. It probably started in 1916 during the transport strike, which started in Liverpool, and was ferociously put down by the Army on Bloody Tuesday. That feeling was of course compounded in the 1980s by Thatcher and her cronies who it's now known wanted Liverpool to rot away. I guess we've always regarded ourselves as an afterthought by most governments and that's bred a feeling of insularity within the city. We look after our own and protect our own as best we can as we don't expect help from anywhere else to do that. That insularity and the fact we can be quite outspoken has probably not warmed us to other parts of the country and there's a large proportion who really don't like us as a city or a people. Generally those who've never really been to the city or taken the time or trouble to get to know us - those that do generally tend to have a positive experience. Like all cities though there's a large negative element - that's undeniable. There's people in this city who turn my stomach.
For me though the main reason why I don't really give a shit because it's pointless anyway. We're labelled with a stereotype which is unfounded - I myself, and as Woland has stated, have had to put with loads of "thieving" and "dishonest" jibes and digs throughout my professional and personal life at times but I really don't get arsed because I just feel the people making those jibes are bigoted fuckwits anyway and not worthy of a rise in temper. Besides, most get made out to look cunts with a sharp comeback anyway. The funniest thing about it all though is, when we do speak out and stand up for ourselves as people or a city we just get accused of playing the "victim" card or "wallowing in self pity" anyway. Do you see what I mean? It's fucking pointless. People have narrow minded and bigoted opinions of us just like certain morons in this city, and other cities, have of other races. You can't change that easily. We are defensive about our city because, regardless what others may have about it, we are proud of it and our heritage for the most part. There's obvious episodes in the city's history where no pride can be gained.
As for the footy club. It was built up by the people of this city and turned into a massive global institution due to the work of many scouse and great non-scousers to make it what it is today. It's not "our" team as in scousers it's "ours" as in everyone who's part of it. That includes you Asim. I do think that some fans feel differently about the club than others - I only have to look at some of the shit thrown about on here about our club the see that and attitudes may be different for different people in different regions. Like our city, the Liverpool reds are proud of their team and will defend as they would defend their city. It's in our siege mentality but I don't think that's a mentality exclusive to scousers any more. We're used to other people in this country knocking our city and the people within it. Fuck them. We're used to the media slagging off the city and club. Fuck them. We're used to other footy fans stupidly hating us and labelling us all as murderers and now racists. Fuck them all. Most don't give a fuck here where I live - we'll probably joke about it more than anything. If people want to form an opinion on the city - come here first and then do it by all means but forming an opinion on something you don't really know fuck all about is completely naive and narrow minded.
If you lived here you'd understand what I'm piping on about Asim. This city gets knocked all the time, constantly - but I really shouldn't say that as I may come across as the victim and I'm not doing that - because I'm just really not that arsed. I can tell you one thing though - almost every person I meet from outside the city, mainly through the football club, has had a positive and welcoming experience of this city.
Or ask any scousers out there, do any of you give a shit how your club is viewed from outside? or your city is viewed by the rest of us.
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Well I can answer from one point of view of course Asim and the answer is no, not really. And I'll explain why. Liverpool, as a city, has generally always felt somewhat disconnected from the rest of the country. It probably started in 1916 during the transport strike, which started in Liverpool, and was ferociously put down by the Army on Bloody Tuesday. That feeling was of course compounded in the 1980s by Thatcher and her cronies who it's now known wanted Liverpool to rot away. I guess we've always regarded ourselves as an afterthought by most governments and that's bred a feeling of insularity within the city. We look after our own and protect our own as best we can as we don't expect help from anywhere else to do that. That insularity and the fact we can be quite outspoken has probably not warmed us to other parts of the country and there's a large proportion who really don't like us as a city or a people. Generally those who've never really been to the city or taken the time or trouble to get to know us - those that do generally tend to have a positive experience. Like all cities though there's a large negative element - that's undeniable. There's people in this city who turn my stomach.
For me though the main reason why I don't really give a shit because it's pointless anyway. We're labelled with a stereotype which is unfounded - I myself, and as Woland has stated, have had to put with loads of "thieving" and "dishonest" jibes and digs throughout my professional and personal life at times but I really don't get arsed because I just feel the people making those jibes are bigoted fuckwits anyway and not worthy of a rise in temper. Besides, most get made out to look cunts with a sharp comeback anyway. The funniest thing about it all though is, when we do speak out and stand up for ourselves as people or a city we just get accused of playing the "victim" card or "wallowing in self pity" anyway. Do you see what I mean? It's fucking pointless. People have narrow minded and bigoted opinions of us just like certain morons in this city, and other cities, have of other races. You can't change that easily. We are defensive about our city because, regardless what others may have about it, we are proud of it and our heritage for the most part. There's obvious episodes in the city's history where no pride can be gained.
As for the footy club. It was built up by the people of this city and turned into a massive global institution due to the work of many scouse and great non-scousers to make it what it is today. It's not "our" team as in scousers it's "ours" as in everyone who's part of it. That includes you Asim. I do think that some fans feel differently about the club than others - I only have to look at some of the shit thrown about on here about our club the see that and attitudes may be different for different people in different regions. Like our city, the Liverpool reds are proud of their team and will defend as they would defend their city. It's in our siege mentality but I don't think that's a mentality exclusive to scousers any more. We're used to other people in this country knocking our city and the people within it. Fuck them. We're used to the media slagging off the city and club. Fuck them. We're used to other footy fans stupidly hating us and labelling us all as murderers and now racists. Fuck them all. Most don't give a fuck here where I live - we'll probably joke about it more than anything. If people want to form an opinion on the city - come here first and then do it by all means but forming an opinion on something you don't really know fuck all about is completely naive and narrow minded.
If you lived here you'd understand what I'm piping on about Asim. This city gets knocked all the time, constantly - but I really shouldn't say that as I may come across as the victim and I'm not doing that - because I'm just really not that arsed. I can tell you one thing though - almost every person I meet from outside the city, mainly through the football club, has had a positive and welcoming experience of this city.
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48180.msg1459323#msg1459323 date=1325980024]
People are having discussions also based a lot on what is being projected about the club.
Some people mainly those from Liverpool don't seem to give a shite about what the world think only what they think, but seems a few others are quite concerned about how the club is coming off. The lack of leadership and though regarding the issues and the way things are being handled inlcuding statements from the club and actions from the players and manager.
For me to have an issue with this does not in my opinion make me less of a fan, it does not mean I'm right but it means I'm not willing to just fall in line and praise the manager, players and the club. It means I'm not willing to indulge myself in conspiracies about every man and his lady hating on us cos of who we are and what we represent. It also means therefore that I'm not willing to allow myself get caught up in a seige mentality that has been in my opinion whipped up in part by the club that in some way leads to shit like this again in my opinion.
We can't stop dickheads being dickhead in the the ground, on twitter or facebook etc what we can do is take measures to condemn shit and send out messages... I personally don't feel that has been done effectivley by those in charge of the club and am upset about it...I'm not gonna cry about it but I don't think its right.
What I'm trying to do on a forum of those who share the same interest and passion is get across my dissapointment.
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Yeah Yeah, Yada Yada RAAACE WAAAAR !
People are having discussions also based a lot on what is being projected about the club.
Some people mainly those from Liverpool don't seem to give a shite about what the world think only what they think, but seems a few others are quite concerned about how the club is coming off. The lack of leadership and though regarding the issues and the way things are being handled inlcuding statements from the club and actions from the players and manager.
For me to have an issue with this does not in my opinion make me less of a fan, it does not mean I'm right but it means I'm not willing to just fall in line and praise the manager, players and the club. It means I'm not willing to indulge myself in conspiracies about every man and his lady hating on us cos of who we are and what we represent. It also means therefore that I'm not willing to allow myself get caught up in a seige mentality that has been in my opinion whipped up in part by the club that in some way leads to shit like this again in my opinion.
We can't stop dickheads being dickhead in the the ground, on twitter or facebook etc what we can do is take measures to condemn shit and send out messages... I personally don't feel that has been done effectivley by those in charge of the club and am upset about it...I'm not gonna cry about it but I don't think its right.
What I'm trying to do on a forum of those who share the same interest and passion is get across my dissapointment.
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Yeah Yeah, Yada Yada RAAACE WAAAAR !
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48180.msg1459310#msg1459310 date=1325979659]
I was posting during the match thread and said I hoped it wasn't so, and didn't comment until I saw the tweets of a former Oldham player (sadly whose names escapes me now) who said he'd just finished talking to Adeyemi who confirmed it was racial. I don't see why they'd lie.
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No one is saying the lad hasn't got a grievance. But they are taking his word for it. There are more people who were in the vicinity who say something else was said and the Oldham player misheard it. They could all be lying and the player could be spot on. Was this former Oldham player on the pitch? Let's wait and see what transpires eh? You should all get your head out of shite like Twitter. Next you'll be believing we're signing Messi.
I was posting during the match thread and said I hoped it wasn't so, and didn't comment until I saw the tweets of a former Oldham player (sadly whose names escapes me now) who said he'd just finished talking to Adeyemi who confirmed it was racial. I don't see why they'd lie.
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No one is saying the lad hasn't got a grievance. But they are taking his word for it. There are more people who were in the vicinity who say something else was said and the Oldham player misheard it. They could all be lying and the player could be spot on. Was this former Oldham player on the pitch? Let's wait and see what transpires eh? You should all get your head out of shite like Twitter. Next you'll be believing we're signing Messi.
Good post, Asim.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459331#msg1459331 date=1325980220]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48180.msg1459310#msg1459310 date=1325979659]
I was posting during the match thread and said I hoped it wasn't so, and didn't comment until I saw the tweets of a former Oldham player (sadly whose names escapes me now) who said he'd just finished talking to Adeyemi who confirmed it was racial. I don't see why they'd lie.
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No one is saying the lad hasn't got a grievance. But they are taking his word for it. There are more people who were in the vicinity who say something else was said and the Oldham player misheard it. They could all be lying and the player could be spot on. Was this former Oldham player on the pitch? Let's wait and see what transpires eh? You should all get your head out of shite like Twitter. Next you'll be believing we're signing Messi.
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we aren't? :'(
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48180.msg1459310#msg1459310 date=1325979659]
I was posting during the match thread and said I hoped it wasn't so, and didn't comment until I saw the tweets of a former Oldham player (sadly whose names escapes me now) who said he'd just finished talking to Adeyemi who confirmed it was racial. I don't see why they'd lie.
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No one is saying the lad hasn't got a grievance. But they are taking his word for it. There are more people who were in the vicinity who say something else was said and the Oldham player misheard it. They could all be lying and the player could be spot on. Was this former Oldham player on the pitch? Let's wait and see what transpires eh? You should all get your head out of shite like Twitter. Next you'll be believing we're signing Messi.
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we aren't? :'(
[quote author=themn link=topic=48180.msg1459332#msg1459332 date=1325980259]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459328#msg1459328 date=1325980130]
Themn should we hijack the thread and then it might die
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Did you just call me a word I don't like ?
RAAAAAAAAAAAACE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR !!!!
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Hahahhahahahahaha that's fucking brilliant
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459328#msg1459328 date=1325980130]
Themn should we hijack the thread and then it might die
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Did you just call me a word I don't like ?
RAAAAAAAAAAAACE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR !!!!
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Hahahhahahahahaha that's fucking brilliant
Indeed, fantastic post sunny.
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459346#msg1459346 date=1325980614]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
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I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
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I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459348#msg1459348 date=1325980695]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459346#msg1459346 date=1325980614]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
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I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
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Shouldn't that be nerrrrrrrr or have you developed a stutter?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459346#msg1459346 date=1325980614]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
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I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
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Shouldn't that be nerrrrrrrr or have you developed a stutter?
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48180.msg1459347#msg1459347 date=1325980615]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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It won't.
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JINX !
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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It won't.
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JINX !
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459350#msg1459350 date=1325980756]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459348#msg1459348 date=1325980695]
I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
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Shouldn't that be nerrrrrrrr or have you developed a stutter?
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It reminded me of Kryten trying to say smeghead.
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459348#msg1459348 date=1325980695]
I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
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Shouldn't that be nerrrrrrrr or have you developed a stutter?
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It reminded me of Kryten trying to say smeghead.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48180.msg1459329#msg1459329 date=1325980166]
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48180.msg1459268#msg1459268 date=1325977617]
Or ask any scousers out there, do any of you give a shit how your club is viewed from outside? or your city is viewed by the rest of us.
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Well I can answer from one point of view of course Asim and the answer is no, not really. And I'll explain why. Liverpool, as a city, has generally always felt somewhat disconnected from the rest of the country. It probably started in 1916 during the transport strike, which started in Liverpool, and was ferociously put down by the Army on Bloody Tuesday. That feeling was of course compounded in the 1980s by Thatcher and her cronies who it's now known wanted Liverpool to rot away. I guess we've always regarded ourselves as an afterthought by most governments and that's bred a feeling of insularity within the city. We look after our own and protect our own as best we can as we don't expect help from anywhere else to do that. That insularity and the fact we can be quite outspoken has probably not warmed us to other parts of the country and there's a large proportion who really don't like us as a city or a people. Generally those who've never really been to the city or taken the time or trouble to get to know us - those that do generally tend to have a positive experience. Like all cities though there's a large negative element - that's undeniable. There's people in this city who turn my stomach.
For me though the main reason why I don't really give a shit because it's pointless anyway. We're labelled with a stereotype which is unfounded - I myself, and as Woland has stated, have had to put with loads of "thieving" and "dishonest" jibes and digs throughout my professional and personal life at times but I really don't get arsed because I just feel the people making those jibes are bigoted fuckwits anyway and not worthy of a rise in temper. Besides, most get made out to look cunts with a sharp comeback anyway. The funniest thing about it all though is, when we do speak out and stand up for ourselves as people or a city we just get accused of playing the "victim" card or "wallowing in self pity" anyway. Do you see what I mean? It's fucking pointless. People have narrow minded and bigoted opinions of us just like certain morons in this city, and other cities, have of other races. You can't change that easily. We are defensive about our city because, regardless what others may have about it, we are proud of it and our heritage for the most part. There's obvious episodes in the city's history where no pride can be gained.
As for the footy club. It was built up by the people of this city and turned into a massive global institution due to the work of many scouse and great non-scousers to make it what it is today. It's not "our" team as in scousers it's "ours" as in everyone who's part of it. That includes you Asim. I do think that some fans feel differently about the club than others - I only have to look at some of the shit thrown about on here about our club the see that and attitudes may be different for different people in different regions. Like our city, the Liverpool reds are proud of their team and will defend as they would defend their city. It's in our siege mentality but I don't think that's a mentality exclusive to scousers any more. We're used to other people in this country knocking our city and the people within it. Fuck them. We're used to the media slagging off the city and club. Fuck them. We're used to other footy fans stupidly hating us and labelling us all as murderers and now racists. Fuck them all. Most don't give a fuck here where I live - we'll probably joke about it more than anything. If people want to form an opinion on the city - come here first and then do it by all means but forming an opinion on something you don't really know fuck all about is completely naive and narrow minded.
If you lived here you'd understand what I'm piping on about Asim. This city gets knocked all the time, constantly - but I really shouldn't say that as I may come across as the victim and I'm not doing that - because I'm just really not that arsed. I can tell you one thing though - almost every person I meet from outside the city, mainly through the football club, has had a positive and welcoming experience of this city.
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It's funny - I was having a conversation the other day about this kinda thing - "acceptable prejudice" - like everyone knows you can't call a black man a ni**er, and the majority of people know that calling the corner shop the p@ki shop is off limits, and people are starting to figure out that it's not okay to say they went out for a chinky, but get them on other stuff and it's fair game.
I was talking specifically about fat people, and how things like The Biggest Loser and that shit basically mock and degrade fat people and turn into a freak show, gameshow even - but if it's about anorexics then it's all serious and sad and shit. Fat people, gingers, Scousers . . . they're all the new black
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48180.msg1459268#msg1459268 date=1325977617]
Or ask any scousers out there, do any of you give a shit how your club is viewed from outside? or your city is viewed by the rest of us.
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Well I can answer from one point of view of course Asim and the answer is no, not really. And I'll explain why. Liverpool, as a city, has generally always felt somewhat disconnected from the rest of the country. It probably started in 1916 during the transport strike, which started in Liverpool, and was ferociously put down by the Army on Bloody Tuesday. That feeling was of course compounded in the 1980s by Thatcher and her cronies who it's now known wanted Liverpool to rot away. I guess we've always regarded ourselves as an afterthought by most governments and that's bred a feeling of insularity within the city. We look after our own and protect our own as best we can as we don't expect help from anywhere else to do that. That insularity and the fact we can be quite outspoken has probably not warmed us to other parts of the country and there's a large proportion who really don't like us as a city or a people. Generally those who've never really been to the city or taken the time or trouble to get to know us - those that do generally tend to have a positive experience. Like all cities though there's a large negative element - that's undeniable. There's people in this city who turn my stomach.
For me though the main reason why I don't really give a shit because it's pointless anyway. We're labelled with a stereotype which is unfounded - I myself, and as Woland has stated, have had to put with loads of "thieving" and "dishonest" jibes and digs throughout my professional and personal life at times but I really don't get arsed because I just feel the people making those jibes are bigoted fuckwits anyway and not worthy of a rise in temper. Besides, most get made out to look cunts with a sharp comeback anyway. The funniest thing about it all though is, when we do speak out and stand up for ourselves as people or a city we just get accused of playing the "victim" card or "wallowing in self pity" anyway. Do you see what I mean? It's fucking pointless. People have narrow minded and bigoted opinions of us just like certain morons in this city, and other cities, have of other races. You can't change that easily. We are defensive about our city because, regardless what others may have about it, we are proud of it and our heritage for the most part. There's obvious episodes in the city's history where no pride can be gained.
As for the footy club. It was built up by the people of this city and turned into a massive global institution due to the work of many scouse and great non-scousers to make it what it is today. It's not "our" team as in scousers it's "ours" as in everyone who's part of it. That includes you Asim. I do think that some fans feel differently about the club than others - I only have to look at some of the shit thrown about on here about our club the see that and attitudes may be different for different people in different regions. Like our city, the Liverpool reds are proud of their team and will defend as they would defend their city. It's in our siege mentality but I don't think that's a mentality exclusive to scousers any more. We're used to other people in this country knocking our city and the people within it. Fuck them. We're used to the media slagging off the city and club. Fuck them. We're used to other footy fans stupidly hating us and labelling us all as murderers and now racists. Fuck them all. Most don't give a fuck here where I live - we'll probably joke about it more than anything. If people want to form an opinion on the city - come here first and then do it by all means but forming an opinion on something you don't really know fuck all about is completely naive and narrow minded.
If you lived here you'd understand what I'm piping on about Asim. This city gets knocked all the time, constantly - but I really shouldn't say that as I may come across as the victim and I'm not doing that - because I'm just really not that arsed. I can tell you one thing though - almost every person I meet from outside the city, mainly through the football club, has had a positive and welcoming experience of this city.
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It's funny - I was having a conversation the other day about this kinda thing - "acceptable prejudice" - like everyone knows you can't call a black man a ni**er, and the majority of people know that calling the corner shop the p@ki shop is off limits, and people are starting to figure out that it's not okay to say they went out for a chinky, but get them on other stuff and it's fair game.
I was talking specifically about fat people, and how things like The Biggest Loser and that shit basically mock and degrade fat people and turn into a freak show, gameshow even - but if it's about anorexics then it's all serious and sad and shit. Fat people, gingers, Scousers . . . they're all the new black
Hahaha. Red Dwarf is going on now.
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=48180.msg1459355#msg1459355 date=1325980871]
It's funny - I was having a conversation the other day about this kinda thing - "acceptable prejudice" - like everyone knows you can't call a black man a ni**er, and the majority of people know that calling the corner shop the p@ki shop is off limits, and people are starting to figure out that it's not okay to say they went out for a chinky, but get them on other stuff and it's fair game.
I was talking specifically about fat people, and how things like The Biggest Loser and that shit basically mock and degrade fat people and turn into a freak show, gameshow even - but if it's about anorexics then it's all serious and sad and shit. Fat people, gingers, Scousers . . . they're all the new black
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I'm not playing any kind of sympathy card there SR by the way. Just speaking my mind.
It's funny - I was having a conversation the other day about this kinda thing - "acceptable prejudice" - like everyone knows you can't call a black man a ni**er, and the majority of people know that calling the corner shop the p@ki shop is off limits, and people are starting to figure out that it's not okay to say they went out for a chinky, but get them on other stuff and it's fair game.
I was talking specifically about fat people, and how things like The Biggest Loser and that shit basically mock and degrade fat people and turn into a freak show, gameshow even - but if it's about anorexics then it's all serious and sad and shit. Fat people, gingers, Scousers . . . they're all the new black
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I'm not playing any kind of sympathy card there SR by the way. Just speaking my mind.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48180.msg1459358#msg1459358 date=1325980990]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=48180.msg1459355#msg1459355 date=1325980871]
It's funny - I was having a conversation the other day about this kinda thing - "acceptable prejudice" - like everyone knows you can't call a black man a ni**er, and the majority of people know that calling the corner shop the p@ki shop is off limits, and people are starting to figure out that it's not okay to say they went out for a chinky, but get them on other stuff and it's fair game.
I was talking specifically about fat people, and how things like The Biggest Loser and that shit basically mock and degrade fat people and turn into a freak show, gameshow even - but if it's about anorexics then it's all serious and sad and shit. Fat people, gingers, Scousers . . . they're all the new black
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I'm not playing any kind of sympathy card there SR by the way. Just speaking my mind.
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that was a good post sunny but what was the general point you were making? fuck what people think not involved with liverpool?
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=48180.msg1459355#msg1459355 date=1325980871]
It's funny - I was having a conversation the other day about this kinda thing - "acceptable prejudice" - like everyone knows you can't call a black man a ni**er, and the majority of people know that calling the corner shop the p@ki shop is off limits, and people are starting to figure out that it's not okay to say they went out for a chinky, but get them on other stuff and it's fair game.
I was talking specifically about fat people, and how things like The Biggest Loser and that shit basically mock and degrade fat people and turn into a freak show, gameshow even - but if it's about anorexics then it's all serious and sad and shit. Fat people, gingers, Scousers . . . they're all the new black
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I'm not playing any kind of sympathy card there SR by the way. Just speaking my mind.
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that was a good post sunny but what was the general point you were making? fuck what people think not involved with liverpool?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459350#msg1459350 date=1325980756]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459348#msg1459348 date=1325980695]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459346#msg1459346 date=1325980614]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
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I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
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Shouldn't that be nerrrrrrrr or have you developed a stutter?
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Too many e's
See you next week Winkwink
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459348#msg1459348 date=1325980695]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459346#msg1459346 date=1325980614]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
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I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
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Shouldn't that be nerrrrrrrr or have you developed a stutter?
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Too many e's
See you next week Winkwink
S'true though.
I see plenty of Scouse stereotyping going on, people don't realise that half my family are Scouse (it's less easily identified than the Chinese half) but even if they knew it's the sort of thing they don't feel they have to hide, unlike out and out racism.
A lot of people see it as an acceptable form of prejudice
I see plenty of Scouse stereotyping going on, people don't realise that half my family are Scouse (it's less easily identified than the Chinese half) but even if they knew it's the sort of thing they don't feel they have to hide, unlike out and out racism.
A lot of people see it as an acceptable form of prejudice
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459362#msg1459362 date=1325981269]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459350#msg1459350 date=1325980756]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459348#msg1459348 date=1325980695]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459346#msg1459346 date=1325980614]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
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I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
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Shouldn't that be nerrrrrrrr or have you developed a stutter?
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Too many e's
See you next week Winkwink
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Looking forward to it already
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459350#msg1459350 date=1325980756]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459348#msg1459348 date=1325980695]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459346#msg1459346 date=1325980614]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
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I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
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Shouldn't that be nerrrrrrrr or have you developed a stutter?
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Too many e's
See you next week Winkwink
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Looking forward to it already
So first Evra had an agenda and now this lad's misheard it, or his word maybe isn't quite good enought either? Are you actually serious?
Sunny, the joke of it is, in that first paragraph you've summed up how a lot of ethnic minorities feel in this country, without sounding victim like, 'people have it in for us and are gonna have a go anyway, so screw them cos we don't need them anyway', which is the point I was making in the Abbott thread. And the point that many posters have made to me on this forum over the last few weeks without even realising. A refusal for player or club to accept responsibility for what's happened, there's always a reason for it not to be the fault of anyone associated with LFC.
FFF said he's worried about how black LFC fans will feel seeing all this, honestly if I was new to football and was thinking about supporting LFC a few weeks ago and had seen the events unfold, logged onto this forum and read these two threads, I'd probably come to the conclusion that my sort probably weren't really welcome.
I don't wanna go off on one, cos I'm really not a victim and don't feel racially 'abused' or whatever. I'm British, I know no other place as home, but everytime you hear someone use the P word or see some EDL/BNP/Daily Mail nonsense, you weirdly feel less British, like it's been taken away from you by someone who has a bit more right over it than you do. That's how I feel about LFC at the moment, in part by how the club have handled things and sadly a huge portion due to what I've read on here from 'fellow' reds.
Sunny, the joke of it is, in that first paragraph you've summed up how a lot of ethnic minorities feel in this country, without sounding victim like, 'people have it in for us and are gonna have a go anyway, so screw them cos we don't need them anyway', which is the point I was making in the Abbott thread. And the point that many posters have made to me on this forum over the last few weeks without even realising. A refusal for player or club to accept responsibility for what's happened, there's always a reason for it not to be the fault of anyone associated with LFC.
FFF said he's worried about how black LFC fans will feel seeing all this, honestly if I was new to football and was thinking about supporting LFC a few weeks ago and had seen the events unfold, logged onto this forum and read these two threads, I'd probably come to the conclusion that my sort probably weren't really welcome.
I don't wanna go off on one, cos I'm really not a victim and don't feel racially 'abused' or whatever. I'm British, I know no other place as home, but everytime you hear someone use the P word or see some EDL/BNP/Daily Mail nonsense, you weirdly feel less British, like it's been taken away from you by someone who has a bit more right over it than you do. That's how I feel about LFC at the moment, in part by how the club have handled things and sadly a huge portion due to what I've read on here from 'fellow' reds.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459366#msg1459366 date=1325981359]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459362#msg1459362 date=1325981269]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459350#msg1459350 date=1325980756]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459348#msg1459348 date=1325980695]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459346#msg1459346 date=1325980614]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
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I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
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Shouldn't that be nerrrrrrrr or have you developed a stutter?
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Too many e's
See you next week Winkwink
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Looking forward to it already
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You buying yeah?
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459362#msg1459362 date=1325981269]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459350#msg1459350 date=1325980756]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459348#msg1459348 date=1325980695]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48180.msg1459346#msg1459346 date=1325980614]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=48180.msg1459341#msg1459341 date=1325980486]
[quote author=737Max link=topic=48180.msg1459338#msg1459338 date=1325980419]
What are the odds this thread will end up as large and as hostile as the Suarez one?
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I wish I still had mod Powers then I'd lock the fucker up
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Like you'd know how to.
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I'd ask our mark to show me so neeeeeeeeer
[/quote]
Shouldn't that be nerrrrrrrr or have you developed a stutter?
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Too many e's
See you next week Winkwink
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Looking forward to it already
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You buying yeah?
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