is top top drawer. you get what you pay for and he is absolutely fantastic. shame about the fullback on the left.
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Insua is heroically shit, but I must agree, I haven't been happier with a big money signing since Torres and Alonso
johnson is as good as insua is bad. I'm fed up of insua now, he's shit. where is aurelio?
Injured, probably
And also not actually that good either
And also not actually that good either
the problem with insua defensively... is his height...
it is so often exploited by teams.. and as the left hand side have players in and out of the team... there is no one half decent to support him other than Riera...
Attacking wise is final ball is to inconsistant...
to be fair i just thought he had a bad game last night.. however its one game bad too many...
it is so often exploited by teams.. and as the left hand side have players in and out of the team... there is no one half decent to support him other than Riera...
Attacking wise is final ball is to inconsistant...
to be fair i just thought he had a bad game last night.. however its one game bad too many...
I think Insua had showed in glimpses he was worth a place as the back-up LB.
The problem is our 1st choice LB is always injured! So he is effectively our 1st choice LB and is not good enough yet to play week in week out. Will he ever be? Well no, probably not no.
Also I think we expected him to step up a level this year as he gets older and gain experience but it seems that if anything he is going backwards.. which is not good for us.
For me height is not an issue for a full back if his positioning is right.
The problem is our 1st choice LB is always injured! So he is effectively our 1st choice LB and is not good enough yet to play week in week out. Will he ever be? Well no, probably not no.
Also I think we expected him to step up a level this year as he gets older and gain experience but it seems that if anything he is going backwards.. which is not good for us.
For me height is not an issue for a full back if his positioning is right.
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=37076.msg985114#msg985114 date=1257842380]
I think Insua had showed in glimpses he was worth a place as the back-up LB.
The problem is our 1st choice LB is always injured! So he is effectively our 1st choice LB and is not good enough yet to play week in week out. Will he ever be? Well no, probably not no.
Also I think we expected him to step up a level this year as he gets older and gain experience but it seems that if anything he is going backwards.. which is not good for us.
For me height is not an issue for a full back if his positioning is right.
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I thought Insua was our first choice LB. His main problem as far as I am concerned is his lack of pace. He seems to have got very heavy. Agree about Johnson. Fantastic signing and any shortcomings he has defensively pale into insignificance compared to the attacking flair he brings to the team.
I think Insua had showed in glimpses he was worth a place as the back-up LB.
The problem is our 1st choice LB is always injured! So he is effectively our 1st choice LB and is not good enough yet to play week in week out. Will he ever be? Well no, probably not no.
Also I think we expected him to step up a level this year as he gets older and gain experience but it seems that if anything he is going backwards.. which is not good for us.
For me height is not an issue for a full back if his positioning is right.
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I thought Insua was our first choice LB. His main problem as far as I am concerned is his lack of pace. He seems to have got very heavy. Agree about Johnson. Fantastic signing and any shortcomings he has defensively pale into insignificance compared to the attacking flair he brings to the team.
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the problem with insua defensively... is his height...
it is so often exploited by teams.. and as the left hand side have players in and out of the team... there is no one half decent to support him other than Riera...
Attacking wise is final ball is to inconsistant...
to be fair i just thought he had a bad game last night.. however its one game bad too many...
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No, the problem isn't his height. The problem defensively is his positioning and his lack of pace. And the problem offensively is again his lack of pace but more so his lack of balance and high-center of gravity (best seen in his incredibly weird-looking throw-in action) and even more so his shared ability with Lucas in that despite being not poor with the ball at his feet, he never actually 'wants' it and consistently looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
the problem with insua defensively... is his height...
it is so often exploited by teams.. and as the left hand side have players in and out of the team... there is no one half decent to support him other than Riera...
Attacking wise is final ball is to inconsistant...
to be fair i just thought he had a bad game last night.. however its one game bad too many...
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No, the problem isn't his height. The problem defensively is his positioning and his lack of pace. And the problem offensively is again his lack of pace but more so his lack of balance and high-center of gravity (best seen in his incredibly weird-looking throw-in action) and even more so his shared ability with Lucas in that despite being not poor with the ball at his feet, he never actually 'wants' it and consistently looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
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[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=37076.msg985114#msg985114 date=1257842380]
I think Insua had showed in glimpses he was worth a place as the back-up LB.
The problem is our 1st choice LB is always injured! So he is effectively our 1st choice LB and is not good enough yet to play week in week out. Will he ever be? Well no, probably not no.
Also I think we expected him to step up a level this year as he gets older and gain experience but it seems that if anything he is going backwards.. which is not good for us.
For me height is not an issue for a full back if his positioning is right.
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I thought Insua was our first choice LB. His main problem as far as I am concerned is his lack of pace. He seems to have got very heavy. Agree about Johnson. Fantastic signing and any shortcomings he has defensively pale into insignificance compared to the attacking flair he brings to the team.
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Rafa would always pick Aurelio ahead of Insua in the big games I think, unless Aurelio has to play LM.
Oh yes, he has got fat hasnt he? Dossenas infuence. Hmm two fat left backs...Why are they so very fat? they must have discovered the english fish and chips!
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=37076.msg985114#msg985114 date=1257842380]
I think Insua had showed in glimpses he was worth a place as the back-up LB.
The problem is our 1st choice LB is always injured! So he is effectively our 1st choice LB and is not good enough yet to play week in week out. Will he ever be? Well no, probably not no.
Also I think we expected him to step up a level this year as he gets older and gain experience but it seems that if anything he is going backwards.. which is not good for us.
For me height is not an issue for a full back if his positioning is right.
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I thought Insua was our first choice LB. His main problem as far as I am concerned is his lack of pace. He seems to have got very heavy. Agree about Johnson. Fantastic signing and any shortcomings he has defensively pale into insignificance compared to the attacking flair he brings to the team.
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Rafa would always pick Aurelio ahead of Insua in the big games I think, unless Aurelio has to play LM.
Oh yes, he has got fat hasnt he? Dossenas infuence. Hmm two fat left backs...Why are they so very fat? they must have discovered the english fish and chips!
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985123#msg985123 date=1257843162]
No, the problem isn't his height. The problem defensively is his positioning and his lack of pace. And the problem offensively is again his lack of pace but more so his lack of balance and high-center of gravity (best seen in his incredibly weird-looking throw-in action) and even more so his shared ability with Lucas in that despite being not poor with the ball at his feet, he never actually 'wants' it and consistently looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
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That's why he got forward all the time and on a number of occasions was practically begging for Riera to play him in?
Riiiiiight....
No, the problem isn't his height. The problem defensively is his positioning and his lack of pace. And the problem offensively is again his lack of pace but more so his lack of balance and high-center of gravity (best seen in his incredibly weird-looking throw-in action) and even more so his shared ability with Lucas in that despite being not poor with the ball at his feet, he never actually 'wants' it and consistently looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
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That's why he got forward all the time and on a number of occasions was practically begging for Riera to play him in?
Riiiiiight....
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[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985123#msg985123 date=1257843162]
No, the problem isn't his height. The problem defensively is his positioning and his lack of pace. And the problem offensively is again his lack of pace but more so his lack of balance and high-center of gravity (best seen in his incredibly weird-looking throw-in action) and even more so his shared ability with Lucas in that despite being not poor with the ball at his feet, he never actually 'wants' it and consistently looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
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That's why he got forward all the time and on a number of occasions was practically begging for Riera to play him in?
Riiiiiight....
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No less accurate than branding him fat and slow...
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985123#msg985123 date=1257843162]
No, the problem isn't his height. The problem defensively is his positioning and his lack of pace. And the problem offensively is again his lack of pace but more so his lack of balance and high-center of gravity (best seen in his incredibly weird-looking throw-in action) and even more so his shared ability with Lucas in that despite being not poor with the ball at his feet, he never actually 'wants' it and consistently looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
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That's why he got forward all the time and on a number of occasions was practically begging for Riera to play him in?
Riiiiiight....
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No less accurate than branding him fat and slow...
[quote author=keniget link=topic=37076.msg985127#msg985127 date=1257843275]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985123#msg985123 date=1257843162]
No, the problem isn't his height. The problem defensively is his positioning and his lack of pace. And the problem offensively is again his lack of pace but more so his lack of balance and high-center of gravity (best seen in his incredibly weird-looking throw-in action) and even more so his shared ability with Lucas in that despite being not poor with the ball at his feet, he never actually 'wants' it and consistently looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
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That's why he got forward all the time and on a number of occasions was practically begging for Riera to play him in?
Riiiiiight....
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I'm not slating him. He's not a bad player. He's not great either.
He gets forward enough but very often seems to lack confidence in bursting with the ball out of defence, which is surprising since he's pretty decent with the ball. I'm not talking about the game in particular, but him in general and more specifically vis-a-vis Johnson. There's really no comparision. I'm hoping he improves but it's been a long-time coming.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985123#msg985123 date=1257843162]
No, the problem isn't his height. The problem defensively is his positioning and his lack of pace. And the problem offensively is again his lack of pace but more so his lack of balance and high-center of gravity (best seen in his incredibly weird-looking throw-in action) and even more so his shared ability with Lucas in that despite being not poor with the ball at his feet, he never actually 'wants' it and consistently looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
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That's why he got forward all the time and on a number of occasions was practically begging for Riera to play him in?
Riiiiiight....
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I'm not slating him. He's not a bad player. He's not great either.
He gets forward enough but very often seems to lack confidence in bursting with the ball out of defence, which is surprising since he's pretty decent with the ball. I'm not talking about the game in particular, but him in general and more specifically vis-a-vis Johnson. There's really no comparision. I'm hoping he improves but it's been a long-time coming.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985136#msg985136 date=1257843670]
I'm not slating him. He's not a bad player. He's not great either.
He gets forward enough but very often seems to lack confidence in bursting with the ball out of defence, which is surprising since he's pretty decent with the ball. I'm not talking about the game in particular, but him in general and more specifically vis-a-vis Johnson. There's really no comparision. I'm hoping he improves but it's been a long-time coming.
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Heh, coulda fooled me. Anyways, I''m guessing that you're revising your "never wants it" statement?
In the reserves, he would bring the ball out of defence a little more than we've seen him do it in the first team - everyone who watches 'em will surely remember the Zidane turn on the halfway line. That, coupled with the fact he is eager to be involved with play further up the field, does not suggest to me that it's a confidence issue. I just think that it's down to a) instructions and b) the realization that he is not suddenly going to get the composure of Johnson or Aurelio in this regard, so it's better to play it a little safer.
I'm not slating him. He's not a bad player. He's not great either.
He gets forward enough but very often seems to lack confidence in bursting with the ball out of defence, which is surprising since he's pretty decent with the ball. I'm not talking about the game in particular, but him in general and more specifically vis-a-vis Johnson. There's really no comparision. I'm hoping he improves but it's been a long-time coming.
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Heh, coulda fooled me. Anyways, I''m guessing that you're revising your "never wants it" statement?
In the reserves, he would bring the ball out of defence a little more than we've seen him do it in the first team - everyone who watches 'em will surely remember the Zidane turn on the halfway line. That, coupled with the fact he is eager to be involved with play further up the field, does not suggest to me that it's a confidence issue. I just think that it's down to a) instructions and b) the realization that he is not suddenly going to get the composure of Johnson or Aurelio in this regard, so it's better to play it a little safer.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985136#msg985136 date=1257843670]
I'm not talking about the game in particular, but him in general and more specifically vis-a-vis Johnson. There's really no comparision. I'm hoping he improves but it's been a long-time coming.
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To be fair, one is our second choice bit of youth development, and the other is an 18M international regular at this point and in the form of his life.
I don't think either player bursts with the ball out of defense much, because it's needless and incredibly risky. Johnson offers much better interplay, he's got a better cross, but more than anything else, he's got bags more pace, (and more technical ability) which helps him get beyond his man. Insua can only play the ball in the space he is afforded most of the time.
Riera was uncharacteristically selfish after his time off today, and I was gutted to see him get injured, and to see his dismay, apart from anything else because Insua looks better with Riera than without him, and it gets something going on that side.
Oh, and welcome to the site.
I'm not talking about the game in particular, but him in general and more specifically vis-a-vis Johnson. There's really no comparision. I'm hoping he improves but it's been a long-time coming.
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To be fair, one is our second choice bit of youth development, and the other is an 18M international regular at this point and in the form of his life.
I don't think either player bursts with the ball out of defense much, because it's needless and incredibly risky. Johnson offers much better interplay, he's got a better cross, but more than anything else, he's got bags more pace, (and more technical ability) which helps him get beyond his man. Insua can only play the ball in the space he is afforded most of the time.
Riera was uncharacteristically selfish after his time off today, and I was gutted to see him get injured, and to see his dismay, apart from anything else because Insua looks better with Riera than without him, and it gets something going on that side.
Oh, and welcome to the site.
It could be said that the comparison is unfair. I don't belive so though. Insua made his debut in 2007, he made about 15 appearances last season and has been a first choice starter this season, whether it be because of injuries or otherwise. He's also been called up to the international side and made an appearance. He's been looked at by Rafa and his teammates like a international quality first-teamer and that's how we must judge him. Granted he's only 20, there are flaws in his game and worryingly, those flaws are not just with his physical attributes.
I'm certainly not revising my statement of him not 'wanting' the ball enough. Clearly my use of the apostrophes indicate that I wasn't referring to his actual use of the ball but to his confidence and swagger. And this isn't something that generally comes with experience. Players are generally born with it. Johnson was always a brilliant attacking full-back, even in his younger West Ham and Chelsea days. Agger was always demanding the ball, even when he made his debut for us. There's a difference in players who 'want' the ball. They demand the ball in tight situations. Agger regularly bursts forward with the ball when he finds the defence is finding it difficult to play the ball up. Insua, in tight situations, almost invariably prefers passing and running forward rather than carrying it out. I can understand that happening to players who're not very comfortable with the ball but that isn't the case with Insua which makes me suspect it's an aspect of his game that it's inbred rather than one that can be ironed out.
That being said, there is far more to worry about in the team before Insua. Clearly though, a fully fit Aurelio would make me much happier.
I'm certainly not revising my statement of him not 'wanting' the ball enough. Clearly my use of the apostrophes indicate that I wasn't referring to his actual use of the ball but to his confidence and swagger. And this isn't something that generally comes with experience. Players are generally born with it. Johnson was always a brilliant attacking full-back, even in his younger West Ham and Chelsea days. Agger was always demanding the ball, even when he made his debut for us. There's a difference in players who 'want' the ball. They demand the ball in tight situations. Agger regularly bursts forward with the ball when he finds the defence is finding it difficult to play the ball up. Insua, in tight situations, almost invariably prefers passing and running forward rather than carrying it out. I can understand that happening to players who're not very comfortable with the ball but that isn't the case with Insua which makes me suspect it's an aspect of his game that it's inbred rather than one that can be ironed out.
That being said, there is far more to worry about in the team before Insua. Clearly though, a fully fit Aurelio would make me much happier.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985163#msg985163 date=1257846456]
It could be said that the comparison is unfair. I don't belive so though. Insua made his debut in 2007, he made about 15 appearances last season and has been a first choice starter this season, whether it be because of injuries or otherwise. He's also been called up to the international side and made an appearance. He's been looked at by Rafa and his teammates like a international quality first-teamer and that's how we must judge him. Granted he's only 20, there are flaws in his game and worryingly, those flaws are not just with his physical attributes.
I'm certainly not revising my statement of him not 'wanting' the ball enough. Clearly my use of the apostrophes indicate that I wasn't referring to his actual use of the ball but to his confidence and swagger. And this isn't something that generally comes with experience. Players are generally born with it. Johnson was always a brilliant attacking full-back, even in his younger West Ham and Chelsea days. Agger was always demanding the ball, even when he made his debut for us. There's a difference in players who 'want' the ball. They demand the ball in tight situations. Agger regularly bursts forward with the ball when he finds the defence is finding it difficult to play the ball up. Insua, in tight situations, almost invariably prefers passing and running forward rather than carrying it out. I can understand that happening to players who're not very comfortable with the ball but that isn't the case with Insua which makes me suspect it's an aspect of his game that it's inbred rather than one that can be ironed out.
That being said, there is far more to worry about in the team before Insua. Clearly though, a fully fit Aurelio would make me much happier.
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Here's a 20 year old kid, first year as a first teamer, and the team has been leaking goal after goal, and you expect him to play with swagger?
I'm happy enough if he was solid defensively, which he wasn't admittedly.
The thing is he's young and will improve, and he generally does better when the team do well, a bit unfortunate I know, but that is indeed the case, as his performances last year when we were flying clearly showed.
And he does want the ball, whenever he played with Riera normally, he overlaps and do one-twos with the midfield. You were wrong and now you're back tracking.
It could be said that the comparison is unfair. I don't belive so though. Insua made his debut in 2007, he made about 15 appearances last season and has been a first choice starter this season, whether it be because of injuries or otherwise. He's also been called up to the international side and made an appearance. He's been looked at by Rafa and his teammates like a international quality first-teamer and that's how we must judge him. Granted he's only 20, there are flaws in his game and worryingly, those flaws are not just with his physical attributes.
I'm certainly not revising my statement of him not 'wanting' the ball enough. Clearly my use of the apostrophes indicate that I wasn't referring to his actual use of the ball but to his confidence and swagger. And this isn't something that generally comes with experience. Players are generally born with it. Johnson was always a brilliant attacking full-back, even in his younger West Ham and Chelsea days. Agger was always demanding the ball, even when he made his debut for us. There's a difference in players who 'want' the ball. They demand the ball in tight situations. Agger regularly bursts forward with the ball when he finds the defence is finding it difficult to play the ball up. Insua, in tight situations, almost invariably prefers passing and running forward rather than carrying it out. I can understand that happening to players who're not very comfortable with the ball but that isn't the case with Insua which makes me suspect it's an aspect of his game that it's inbred rather than one that can be ironed out.
That being said, there is far more to worry about in the team before Insua. Clearly though, a fully fit Aurelio would make me much happier.
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Here's a 20 year old kid, first year as a first teamer, and the team has been leaking goal after goal, and you expect him to play with swagger?
I'm happy enough if he was solid defensively, which he wasn't admittedly.
The thing is he's young and will improve, and he generally does better when the team do well, a bit unfortunate I know, but that is indeed the case, as his performances last year when we were flying clearly showed.
And he does want the ball, whenever he played with Riera normally, he overlaps and do one-twos with the midfield. You were wrong and now you're back tracking.
I think we need to get our heads around the fact that Aurelio is made of glass and will never have an extended stay in the team. Im also not convinced that he is any better at defending than Insua. What I am convinced of is that in Riise and Warnock we sold two LBs that were better defensively than anything we have at the moment.
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[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985163#msg985163 date=1257846456]
It could be said that the comparison is unfair. I don't belive so though. Insua made his debut in 2007, he made about 15 appearances last season and has been a first choice starter this season, whether it be because of injuries or otherwise. He's also been called up to the international side and made an appearance. He's been looked at by Rafa and his teammates like a international quality first-teamer and that's how we must judge him. Granted he's only 20, there are flaws in his game and worryingly, those flaws are not just with his physical attributes.
I'm certainly not revising my statement of him not 'wanting' the ball enough. Clearly my use of the apostrophes indicate that I wasn't referring to his actual use of the ball but to his confidence and swagger. And this isn't something that generally comes with experience. Players are generally born with it. Johnson was always a brilliant attacking full-back, even in his younger West Ham and Chelsea days. Agger was always demanding the ball, even when he made his debut for us. There's a difference in players who 'want' the ball. They demand the ball in tight situations. Agger regularly bursts forward with the ball when he finds the defence is finding it difficult to play the ball up. Insua, in tight situations, almost invariably prefers passing and running forward rather than carrying it out. I can understand that happening to players who're not very comfortable with the ball but that isn't the case with Insua which makes me suspect it's an aspect of his game that it's inbred rather than one that can be ironed out.
That being said, there is far more to worry about in the team before Insua. Clearly though, a fully fit Aurelio would make me much happier.
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Here's a 20 year old kid, first year as a first teamer, and the team has been leaking goal after goal, and you expect him to play with swagger?
I'm happy enough if he was solid defensively, which he wasn't admittedly.
The thing is he's young and will improve, and he generally does better when the team do well, a bit unfortunate I know, but that is indeed the case, as his performances last year when we were flying clearly showed.
And he does want the ball, whenever he played with Riera normally, he overlaps and do one-twos with the midfield. You were wrong and now you're back tracking.
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So my expectations of players should be lower because the team is playing shit? Sound logic, that.
And where was I wrong, and how have I been back-tracking, pray tell. This should be interesting.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985163#msg985163 date=1257846456]
It could be said that the comparison is unfair. I don't belive so though. Insua made his debut in 2007, he made about 15 appearances last season and has been a first choice starter this season, whether it be because of injuries or otherwise. He's also been called up to the international side and made an appearance. He's been looked at by Rafa and his teammates like a international quality first-teamer and that's how we must judge him. Granted he's only 20, there are flaws in his game and worryingly, those flaws are not just with his physical attributes.
I'm certainly not revising my statement of him not 'wanting' the ball enough. Clearly my use of the apostrophes indicate that I wasn't referring to his actual use of the ball but to his confidence and swagger. And this isn't something that generally comes with experience. Players are generally born with it. Johnson was always a brilliant attacking full-back, even in his younger West Ham and Chelsea days. Agger was always demanding the ball, even when he made his debut for us. There's a difference in players who 'want' the ball. They demand the ball in tight situations. Agger regularly bursts forward with the ball when he finds the defence is finding it difficult to play the ball up. Insua, in tight situations, almost invariably prefers passing and running forward rather than carrying it out. I can understand that happening to players who're not very comfortable with the ball but that isn't the case with Insua which makes me suspect it's an aspect of his game that it's inbred rather than one that can be ironed out.
That being said, there is far more to worry about in the team before Insua. Clearly though, a fully fit Aurelio would make me much happier.
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Here's a 20 year old kid, first year as a first teamer, and the team has been leaking goal after goal, and you expect him to play with swagger?
I'm happy enough if he was solid defensively, which he wasn't admittedly.
The thing is he's young and will improve, and he generally does better when the team do well, a bit unfortunate I know, but that is indeed the case, as his performances last year when we were flying clearly showed.
And he does want the ball, whenever he played with Riera normally, he overlaps and do one-twos with the midfield. You were wrong and now you're back tracking.
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So my expectations of players should be lower because the team is playing shit? Sound logic, that.
And where was I wrong, and how have I been back-tracking, pray tell. This should be interesting.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=37076.msg985176#msg985176 date=1257847651]
Please explain in clear terms how:
1) "never actually 'wants' it" equates to not dribbling out of defence.
2) pass and move is a sign of a fullback lacking confidence.
This should be good.
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do you think insua is a good fullback keni?
Please explain in clear terms how:
1) "never actually 'wants' it" equates to not dribbling out of defence.
2) pass and move is a sign of a fullback lacking confidence.
This should be good.
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do you think insua is a good fullback keni?
[quote author=keniget link=topic=37076.msg985176#msg985176 date=1257847651]
Please explain in clear terms how:
1) "never actually 'wants' it" equates to not dribbling out of defence.
2) pass and move is a sign of a fullback lacking confidence.
This should be good.
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Let’s be clear since you seem to take everything literally despite the use of apostrophes. My reference to Insua not ‘wanting’ the ball enough refers to his lack of desire to demand the ball in tight situations and more often than not when placed in tight situations he likes to play it square and run down aimlessly – not for a one two but along a tight channel where the ball, if played back to him, invariably goes out of play. If you haven’t seen this happening, you need to watch our games more closely.
What good fullbacks do in tight situations is to burst forward and create space and THEN play the pass and move game. Insua plays it in tight situations where there is no space to work moves. Clearly a lack of confidence in carrying the ball.
My opinion of him is not, however, as extreme to suggest that he is garbage. He’s decent but not a world beating full-back and is unlikely to ever be one.
Please explain in clear terms how:
1) "never actually 'wants' it" equates to not dribbling out of defence.
2) pass and move is a sign of a fullback lacking confidence.
This should be good.
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Let’s be clear since you seem to take everything literally despite the use of apostrophes. My reference to Insua not ‘wanting’ the ball enough refers to his lack of desire to demand the ball in tight situations and more often than not when placed in tight situations he likes to play it square and run down aimlessly – not for a one two but along a tight channel where the ball, if played back to him, invariably goes out of play. If you haven’t seen this happening, you need to watch our games more closely.
What good fullbacks do in tight situations is to burst forward and create space and THEN play the pass and move game. Insua plays it in tight situations where there is no space to work moves. Clearly a lack of confidence in carrying the ball.
My opinion of him is not, however, as extreme to suggest that he is garbage. He’s decent but not a world beating full-back and is unlikely to ever be one.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985190#msg985190 date=1257848530]
What good fullbacks do in tight situations is to burst forward and create space and THEN play the pass and move game. Insua plays it in tight situations where there is no space to work moves. Clearly a lack of confidence in carrying the ball.
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Okay.
Do you think Markus Babbel was a good full back for us?
This should be fun.
What good fullbacks do in tight situations is to burst forward and create space and THEN play the pass and move game. Insua plays it in tight situations where there is no space to work moves. Clearly a lack of confidence in carrying the ball.
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Okay.
Do you think Markus Babbel was a good full back for us?
This should be fun.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=37076.msg985176#msg985176 date=1257847651]
Please explain in clear terms how:
1) "never actually 'wants' it" equates to not dribbling out of defence.
2) pass and move is a sign of a fullback lacking confidence.
This should be good.
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Cos clearly he runs to spaces where can't be passed Keniget.
Please explain in clear terms how:
1) "never actually 'wants' it" equates to not dribbling out of defence.
2) pass and move is a sign of a fullback lacking confidence.
This should be good.
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Cos clearly he runs to spaces where can't be passed Keniget.
What's this, beat up the new kid?
I think dmishra is overcomplicating the analysis somewhat. The reason Insua doesn't take on players and drive the play forward as much as Johnson is 10% confidence and 90% the fact that he's right to not do so, because he doesn't have the tools to do it (pace, and dribbling ability). It also isn't helped that he doesn't play with a competent LW, and due to Riera's injury, he won't be for a while yet.
I think dmishra is overcomplicating the analysis somewhat. The reason Insua doesn't take on players and drive the play forward as much as Johnson is 10% confidence and 90% the fact that he's right to not do so, because he doesn't have the tools to do it (pace, and dribbling ability). It also isn't helped that he doesn't play with a competent LW, and due to Riera's injury, he won't be for a while yet.
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[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985190#msg985190 date=1257848530]
What good fullbacks do in tight situations is to burst forward and create space and THEN play the pass and move game. Insua plays it in tight situations where there is no space to work moves. Clearly a lack of confidence in carrying the ball.
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Okay.
Do you think Markus Babbel was a good full back for us?
This should be fun.
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babbel was a superb crosser of the ball, insua is not. also babbel was good in the air so could attack and defend set pieces.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985190#msg985190 date=1257848530]
What good fullbacks do in tight situations is to burst forward and create space and THEN play the pass and move game. Insua plays it in tight situations where there is no space to work moves. Clearly a lack of confidence in carrying the ball.
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Okay.
Do you think Markus Babbel was a good full back for us?
This should be fun.
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babbel was a superb crosser of the ball, insua is not. also babbel was good in the air so could attack and defend set pieces.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=37076.msg985205#msg985205 date=1257849514]
Hehe, a tag team, and one that's trying to convince each other that their opponent's shit. Why do I even bother?
I liked Babbel though. Nice player. I think Johnson will be better though.
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nice? babbel was one of the best fullbacks this club has ever had.
Hehe, a tag team, and one that's trying to convince each other that their opponent's shit. Why do I even bother?
I liked Babbel though. Nice player. I think Johnson will be better though.
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nice? babbel was one of the best fullbacks this club has ever had.
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