Did you use those very same eyes in the FAC final then ?
Gerrard's future
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Did you use those very same eyes in the FAC final then ?
No I'm not. You know exactly what I'm saying.
I won't go into what your telling mw Froggie other than you have a complete inability to project forward regarding players.
You can't take two completely different players and say just because x played til 37 y can. They both have very different strengths and have had very different career profiles.
And you can't take an outlier like Scholes and assume thats possible for everyone.
You can't take two completely different players and say just because x played til 37 y can. They both have very different strengths and have had very different career profiles.
And you can't take an outlier like Scholes and assume thats possible for everyone.
And of course you CAN predict what Gerrard will be like in 2, 3 years never mind next season ? I wasn't assuming anything, it was an example of a player in the deep twilight of his career who was still Man Utd's best player in MF this past season, even though not playing in all their matches ... at 37 yrs old.
Gerrard is far and away our best midfielder and it's utterly ridiculous to think that he would only be a bench player next season. By all means debate where and how to play him ... we've been doing that since he first entered the first team .. but not in the first team ? You're all smoking something because we all know he'll be a starter next season no matter who is manager.
I think that is essentially the problem, even at his best he was always something of a conundrum that needed a very fine balancing act around him in order to get the best from his undoubted talents. We can no longer afford to do that because at 31 (32 before the start of the season) the end no longer justifies the means.
Gerrard should play when the system dictates, he should no longer dictate the system.
Clearly. But whether he is playing at RB, RW, AM or CM he is still the best we've got !
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i'm expecting him to retire from international football after the euros . he'd be stupid to continue on .
I'd be surprised actually. I've always thought of Gerard as 'driven' and he loves playing for England.
I want him to rediscover himself as a striker, score 40 goals next season, and help us storm the premiership. He can win himself a nice ballon d'or or the world footballer of the year for his troubles......Messi who?
This. I've said it on here before I think he'd cause havoc as a centre forward.
I loved last night but we have to be steady eddie's here, chelsea did not play anyone who will be involved in Munich yet still should have scored three. Jonjo and Hendo played very well but a game or two ago against Fulham they were both disgraceful. Hendo was taken off after 46 minutes, plus he was crap in the final.
Stevie is still one of top midfielders in the PL, if we play two up top then Lucas will play every game and hendo, Stevie and Jonjo will be rotated as the attacking Central midfielder. they have time on their hands and are still not as good as the legend that is Gerrard.
Adam should be sold while he is still worth some money, jonjo should replace him in the full time squad (not loaned out). Our CM 5 is good enough moving forward, Stevie, Jay, Hendo, Jonjo and Lucas. I don't think Stevie should be played behind a striker anymore unless that striker is a 25 goals man, both of our strikers are not so we need to play both of them.
Stevie is still one of top midfielders in the PL, if we play two up top then Lucas will play every game and hendo, Stevie and Jonjo will be rotated as the attacking Central midfielder. they have time on their hands and are still not as good as the legend that is Gerrard.
Adam should be sold while he is still worth some money, jonjo should replace him in the full time squad (not loaned out). Our CM 5 is good enough moving forward, Stevie, Jay, Hendo, Jonjo and Lucas. I don't think Stevie should be played behind a striker anymore unless that striker is a 25 goals man, both of our strikers are not so we need to play both of them.
Michael Owen is going to be great when he's Drogba's age.
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I just don't like it when gerrard is in central midfield.
1) he wanders all over the fucking place.
2) there is no patience to him, EVERY pass has to be the killer pace.
when the opposition start to turn up the tempo gerrard has no idea how to slow that tempo down, instead he also ups the tempo to match them which is a big mistake.
3) he tries to take on too much responisibility which curtails everyone elses natural game.
4) he has defensive duties which prevents takes away from his attacking game.
5) he isn't a very good shield for the defense
I could make a list just as long as to way gerrard should only play in a forward position
1) he wanders all over the fucking place.
2) there is no patience to him, EVERY pass has to be the killer pace.
when the opposition start to turn up the tempo gerrard has no idea how to slow that tempo down, instead he also ups the tempo to match them which is a big mistake.
3) he tries to take on too much responisibility which curtails everyone elses natural game.
4) he has defensive duties which prevents takes away from his attacking game.
5) he isn't a very good shield for the defense
I could make a list just as long as to way gerrard should only play in a forward position
Ha, for some reason that reminds me of that bit on Brass Eye about why gays aren't welcome in the Navy.
- They can't swim
- They attract enemy radar
- They attract sharks
- They get up late
- They nudge people while they're shooting
- They muck about!
He's been the consistent "1" in a 2 man (or at best 3 man) team for the last 8 years or so Fabio.
Torres was great for a couple of years - but he certainly wouldn't have done it without Stevie.
Before that there was Alonso who was also fantastic for a couple of years - but again we'd have been lost without Gerrard.
Before that Owen was knocking them in pretty regularly but I lost count of the number of times he'd turn around after scoring to point at Gerrard.
We've had some excellent players over the last 8 years or more but Gerrard has been the one constant in that time. What's more the idea that Torres or Alonso or Owen or whoever would have been anywhere near as successful without Stevie playing at Anfield is ludicrous. I think Keni was the one who pointed out during the season where Torres was taking on a deity like status; Gerrard had 20+ goals and 20+ assists.
He's been the "1" in plenty of 2 man teams.
I'd like to see Gerrard and Suarez playing off a mobile central striker.
Personally, I don't think Stevie is anywhere near finished and we should still be playing to his strengths.
For that to be effective though, the midfield itself would need some work i.e. completely new, competent players.
Personally, I don't think Stevie is anywhere near finished and we should still be playing to his strengths.
For that to be effective though, the midfield itself would need some work i.e. completely new, competent players.
You use him in the exact same way that Ferguson has treated Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand, and plenty of others as they enter the latter part of their careers, which is:
Not building the side around them anymore, but keeping them fresh for the big games when you need them most, and finding quality players who can come in and fill their role in their absence.
Not building the side around them anymore, but keeping them fresh for the big games when you need them most, and finding quality players who can come in and fill their role in their absence.
Agreed. Gerrard should be part of the attacking front-four, which in my ideal formulation would comprise of Suarez, Gerrard, a striker (who leads the line and is a strong off-the-ball runner), and another on-the-ball attacking player.
I don't want to see Gerrard as part of the midfield two. Him being part of the attacking four not only highlights his strengths, but also offers the best opportunity for him to conserve energy.
I think that's about exactly right.
Carroll's late season form, however, will make it very difficult to move him out. I like what I've seen from him in the last couple of months even if my vision of a striker for us is slightly different.
But not for the last few years. Not this season, not the season before. Arguably ill agree with the season before.
But for 2 years he hasn't so we can't continue to expect him to perform at that level. He should be used sparingly next season and our CM position should be used for the future.
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Exactly. Use them. When needed, not all the time.
Buy another cm this summer and see how we cope.
I think we’ll have enough games to give both Carroll and the new striker playing time. It’s necessary to have that strength in depth, and I’d like the variation Carroll would be able to offer in playing style anyway. I know people have argued that Carroll’s just not a player they see as part of the playing style they want us to implement, but I don’t necessarily agree. And that’s primarily because I think Carroll’s too young to have developed a style which can’t be adapted to kind of style we’re trying to implement.
I know Vlad has been harping about how Carroll’s been mismanaged. I tend to agree, but not for the reason that he’s been dropped or picked inconsistently, but really because I think he’s not been coached in any form or manner. It’s connected to a point I made long back – one of my pet hates – the pigeon-holing of players based on physical attributes alone – I think Carroll’s been a victim of that. It’s traditional footballing nonsense that a big, aerially dominant, English centre forward should be played as a back-to-the goal target man. It takes into account only his physical attributes, not his abilities or preferences. The fact of the matter is that Carroll’s ill-fitted to be a back-to-the-goal player because he has a poor centre of gravity, an inconsistent touch on the ball, and is woeful on the turn, which are really the KEY abilities in being a good back-to-the-player. Your size and aerial power aren’t really going to help you out in those. To me Carroll’s strength really lies in his size, his powerful left foot, and his running power (which I think he’s shown glimpses of, but has been woefully under-utilised). You’re really then looking at a player who’s best suited to playing as a face-the-goal battering ram. Ask him to lead the line, play the ball on the ground (for a face-the-goal player, his touch on the ball is good enough), and run all day long, battering and barraging defenders out of the way, and encourage him to use that hammer of a left foot on goal as much as possible. And surround him with runners around him, and good ball-players behind him. That’s what’ll bring the best out of Carroll IMO. And I can see a player like that having a place in the kind of system I want to us implement, even if it is an interchangeable role with a different kind of striker.
Gerrard is our best midfielder but has become increasingly injury prone. However, I think the main reason for his drop in form/effect, has been the dross he's been surrounded by. Instead of playing his position and keeping closer to Suarez up the pitch, he goes searching for the ball as he evidently doesn't trust the rest of the team to use it properly. The problem is, he's at a stage now where he can't do it all himself.
Spot on.
Chelsea play to Drogbas strengths, that doesn't mean they don't get the best out of mata or any creative player, they thrive on the space he creates, & the knock downs he wins.
Chelsea play to Drogbas strengths, that doesn't mean they don't get the best out of mata or any creative player, they thrive on the space he creates, & the knock downs he wins.
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