Can I just say my statement of Firmino being shit was a classic anti jinx trick. He scored two goals in his next game. You can thank me but it's not necessary! My next jinxy target is Sturridge..... Watch this space...
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Demolish your argument? Since when was I trying to *demolish* your argument, I agreed with half of it!
You act as if Firmino is the only one in this team responsible for scoring goals, he got ten goals last season, that was a decent return, sure he started a lot of games up top, and he often scored when he did, but you talk about him as if he was our sole striker last season and started all our games as a striker, that simply isn't the case.
What's crucial for Firmino going forward is consistency, we know he can score goals, we know he can produce massive performances in massive matches, however were yet to see him to it consistently, a theme which runs through our squad unfortunately.
We have to remember that last season was Firmino's first in a new league, and that the most competitive and physically challenging league in the world. He's started this season brightly, and definitely contributes so much to the dynamic and intelligent attacking force that Klopp is assembling. Hope he keeps it up.
We also have to appreciate, whether we like it or not, the difference between a nine and a false nine. In his first 3 matches of the season Firmino had teed up more chances than any other player in the league (and I've no doubt that trend continued in the last game– I can think of about 3 chances he created). The likes of Studge just don't generally do that, or at least not with regularity (despite that wonderful assist against Leicester). He is there to be a fulcrum for our attack rather than always being at the point of it. Yes, he needs to score, but he's never going to be twenty a season.
Exactly.
From the Echo's report on the game:
Firmino at the top of his game
Roberto Firmino has been leading the Liverpool line for the start of the season – and doing a pretty good job of it too.
Nobody had created more chances than the Brazilian in the first three games of the Premier League season the ststs guys told us.
The welcome return of Daniel Sturridge had Firmino back in the role many see as his best, behind the main striker.
But in truth it was difficult to assign any position to him, so often did he pop up where required, often working back tirelessly to make a difference in the middle of the park.
It wasn't going to stop his threat through.
He still had plenty to do when he collected James Milner's excellent pass on 13 minutes but he made it look easy, turning Robert Huth as the German should always be turned, and drilling home with real class.
Liverpool vs Leicester City at Anfield as Roberto Firmino scores the Reds fourth goal and celebrates. Photo by Colin Lane
He was involved in the build-up to the second, from a much deeper position, and looks like one of the first names on Klopp's team sheet at the moment.
Firmino ran the lines, he was back in his own box, he was free in front of goal when Lallana arrowed in that third.
He put one on a plate for his captain,and he was still going in the last five minutes, a superb combination with Mane bringing a fine Kasper Schmeichel save.
And it was only right that he was there to accept Sadio Mane's present in the last minute of normal time, collecting his second with a fine first touch and an unguarded Kop net.
His 11 goals last year included 10 in the Premier League and he looks well capable of going past that figure this year.
At the top of his game right now.
Firmino at the top of his game
Roberto Firmino has been leading the Liverpool line for the start of the season – and doing a pretty good job of it too.
Nobody had created more chances than the Brazilian in the first three games of the Premier League season the ststs guys told us.
The welcome return of Daniel Sturridge had Firmino back in the role many see as his best, behind the main striker.
But in truth it was difficult to assign any position to him, so often did he pop up where required, often working back tirelessly to make a difference in the middle of the park.
It wasn't going to stop his threat through.
He still had plenty to do when he collected James Milner's excellent pass on 13 minutes but he made it look easy, turning Robert Huth as the German should always be turned, and drilling home with real class.
Liverpool vs Leicester City at Anfield as Roberto Firmino scores the Reds fourth goal and celebrates. Photo by Colin Lane
He was involved in the build-up to the second, from a much deeper position, and looks like one of the first names on Klopp's team sheet at the moment.
Firmino ran the lines, he was back in his own box, he was free in front of goal when Lallana arrowed in that third.
He put one on a plate for his captain,and he was still going in the last five minutes, a superb combination with Mane bringing a fine Kasper Schmeichel save.
And it was only right that he was there to accept Sadio Mane's present in the last minute of normal time, collecting his second with a fine first touch and an unguarded Kop net.
His 11 goals last year included 10 in the Premier League and he looks well capable of going past that figure this year.
At the top of his game right now.
Definite signs of improvement against Leicester. There was a lovely dummy that Sturridge did in the first 10 mins from a Firmino pass, and then a one-two with Lallana.
That said, I've never found them to have the chemistry that Coutinho and Sturridge have.
I think he's quality, I really do. I couldn't give a crap about all the stuff thrown at him, about him being "slow" - which is halfway between being bullshit and neither here nor there if you put the right players around him. Him not being a big enough goalscorer - he likes scoring and playing well enough big games and has a good record anyway since he started scoring.
If he carries on at this rate we've got a big player on our hands. If we can keep Sturridge fit then between these two, Origi, Mane and Coutinho, we're potentially in for a very good season, with an attack that's finally starting to come to terms with the loss of Suarez. Lallana has also been in great form so far.
My main point stands: he isn't good enough or prolific enough to be our main goal threat on the pitch.
That was my main complaint and irritation.
He is a support striker. A number 10. Whether it is Sturridge or whoever as the 'lone striker' we can't have Firmino as the striking focal point.
We simply won't score enough goals
That was my main complaint and irritation.
He is a support striker. A number 10. Whether it is Sturridge or whoever as the 'lone striker' we can't have Firmino as the striking focal point.
We simply won't score enough goals
Same as.
His slowness is exaggerated too. He isn't jet-heeled, but neither was Suarez. He actually, like Suarez, moves quickly with the ball, and his ball control is fantastic. Of course, he will never score Suarez's bewildering range of fab goals but lets hope we get something approaching that this season through a load of players rather than one ridiculous talent.
I think he's been a superb player for us, especially in big PL games. Whether it's (not) scoring or assisting. We've often played well when he's been the false 9. His movement off the ball to create space for other is fantastic and he's always in the thick of it whenever we've routed a team. We've won some terrific games against Chelsea, Arsenal and City over the last year and he's played in those games as the false 9.
But against the teams that sit back and defend deep, we'll need the penetrating, dynamic runs of Mane and the creativity of Sturridge upfront. Firmino as a support striker works well in these games. In fact, the with attention on marking Sturridge, he's actually more likely to score in these games himself.
But against the teams that sit back and defend deep, we'll need the penetrating, dynamic runs of Mane and the creativity of Sturridge upfront. Firmino as a support striker works well in these games. In fact, the with attention on marking Sturridge, he's actually more likely to score in these games himself.
OK but can we have a pact: the next time he plays shite, can we not all jump on him for his inconsistency and his flaws.
We know we are getting someone that can be amazing and woeful depending on the opposition in the space of 10 days. He's a slightly more consistent Luis Garcia without the big goals in the CL.
his temperament when finishing is superb. He would be a great penalty taker.
So let's not make this a player to carp about who is right and who is wrong like lucas, agger etc- both are.
We know we are getting someone that can be amazing and woeful depending on the opposition in the space of 10 days. He's a slightly more consistent Luis Garcia without the big goals in the CL.
his temperament when finishing is superb. He would be a great penalty taker.
So let's not make this a player to carp about who is right and who is wrong like lucas, agger etc- both are.
Ahhh haaaaave a dream!
The point, surely, is he is not going to be the focal point or main goal threat all the time - but his work rate and pressing make him a good option in certain games - regardless if who else's is fit or in form.
Joel Rabonowitz, of the Anfield Wrap has this to say on Firmino:
2) How important has Roberto Firmino become to Liverpool? And do you think he receives the credit he deserves?
I'd go as far to say Firmino has become the first name on the teamsheet for Klopp, along with Lallana and Mane. He's a rather unusual footballer in that he has no clear, defined position on the pitch but he possesses a skill-set which is ideally suited to the kind of football Klopp wants his team to play.
He has always been a hard worker off the ball and presses intelligently from the front, but this season he looks to have an extra burst of pace and his touch looks that little bit sharper.
His performance against Leicester was first class - the touch to wrong-foot Huth for his first goal was sublime. Even in the 90th minute, he was the one charging up the field to support Mane on the break and got his reward with his second goal.
The way Firmino plays reminds me of Suarez and although he might never reach the levels of the Uruguayan, he has the ability to become one of the Premier League's finest players (if he isn't already). I think Liverpool fans are starting to appreciate just how good he is, despite not scoring the kind of spectacular goals Coutinho is renowned for.
Outside of Liverpool I don't think many give him the credit he deserves - but if he continues on this trajectory it won't be long until Firmino is widely recognised as being a really special player.
2) How important has Roberto Firmino become to Liverpool? And do you think he receives the credit he deserves?
I'd go as far to say Firmino has become the first name on the teamsheet for Klopp, along with Lallana and Mane. He's a rather unusual footballer in that he has no clear, defined position on the pitch but he possesses a skill-set which is ideally suited to the kind of football Klopp wants his team to play.
He has always been a hard worker off the ball and presses intelligently from the front, but this season he looks to have an extra burst of pace and his touch looks that little bit sharper.
His performance against Leicester was first class - the touch to wrong-foot Huth for his first goal was sublime. Even in the 90th minute, he was the one charging up the field to support Mane on the break and got his reward with his second goal.
The way Firmino plays reminds me of Suarez and although he might never reach the levels of the Uruguayan, he has the ability to become one of the Premier League's finest players (if he isn't already). I think Liverpool fans are starting to appreciate just how good he is, despite not scoring the kind of spectacular goals Coutinho is renowned for.
Outside of Liverpool I don't think many give him the credit he deserves - but if he continues on this trajectory it won't be long until Firmino is widely recognised as being a really special player.
He should be known from this day forward as..
Firmino The Fabulous
Firmino The Fabulous
Why should we call him after a county in Northern Ireland?
The First of his Name.
..and Probably the Last as Well.
In 2016 Liverpool have scored more PL goals than any other team 😉
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